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agent apple
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Posted - 2006.06.21 00:24:00 -
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CCP you have a large friendly community that you seem to accept has a good sense for what is good for the game, you listen to the complaints and suggestions and in most cases act on them in the interest of improving balance.
So why the hell do you sneak in massive stealth nerfs like to one today with missions. Dont get me wrong missions paid too much money in high sec and some were clearly broken spamming out massive amounts of zyd and morphite.
The reward for low sec living are higher than empire but the risk now outweighs the reward. Living in low sec is now no easier than 0.0 so you have not fixed a broken system but persecuted a group of players that dont want to participate in the alliance side of the game.
So to the more serious point if you thought there was a serious problem why on earth did you not initiate contact with your playerbase. We would have had arguments from the extremes and the middle but it would have resulted in a far more reasonable outcome. If you had said we have to end infiltrated outpost, mission runners should not have this much zyd and certainly no morphite at all. Im sure that we would have all agreed and gone yes reduce the drop increase the difficulty.
Those that were not affected are already creeping about with there 'quit the whiing your gravy trains over' but that is not the point of this post one day your 0.0 rat drops might be halfed and low sec corps might get in on the new system defense tech then youll be here.
The solution is simple dont sneak in masive changes to your game, speak with your community im sure youll find them ammicable to sensible balancing suggestions even when there not to the benefit. Dont however become the next Star wars galaxies, we all know what happened with them.
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Agif
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Posted - 2006.06.21 00:25:00 -
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Signed and first
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Kali Ananda
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Posted - 2006.06.21 00:35:00 -
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/ Signed.
A well writen post.
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Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2006.06.21 00:41:00 -
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Bad post:
CCP wants us to leave the european server so they can add the TQ cluster to Trinity.
Good post:
Sry, cant find anything good so far.
**Ship lovers click here** |
Sheltem Almara
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Posted - 2006.06.21 00:52:00 -
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Unfortunately for me, I was just getting into the Level 4 missions in the past day or two. Don't talk to me about "Gravy Trains" because 1) I hate gravy, and 2) most of the stuff in this game is overly inflated as is so multi-million isk missions are needed. Now people are saying that the reduction in the amount of minerals from Infested Outpost is only going to bring prices down on certain items, but it will actually increase prices everywhere else. How many minerals on the market do you think come from that mission? Now that amount has been drastically cut and the price for minerals should increase. Now think about what people do with those minerals... they manufacture. Yes thats right they manufacture everything you use from ships to the ammunition for your weapons. Now think about the fact that higher mineral prices means less modules produced, and since there are less modules produced there will eventually be a shortage. With shortages people are going to charge higher prices on things like ships, and Tech 2 modules. So unless you're a self-sustaining miner/manufacturer (unlikely for most of us) then expect to see a much larger hit to your wallet than originally planned due to the nerf.
Consider this signed.
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Ortt
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Posted - 2006.06.21 01:48:00 -
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Edited by: Ortt on 21/06/2006 01:49:01
 Originally by: agent apple
Dont get me wrong missions paid too much money in high sec and some were clearly broken spamming out massive amounts of zyd and morphite.
Give me a break, quit appologizing that some missions give good rewards, why do them if they don't?
Originally by: agent apple
So why the hell do you sneak in massive stealth nerfs like to one today with missions. Dont get me wrong missions paid too much money in high sec and some were clearly broken spamming out massive amounts of zyd and morphite.
Because they can. Nerfing in order to do a Kali faux boost is annoying even when its a mistake.
Originally by: agent apple
blah blah blah...
Yeh everyone's mad at this, suck it up...
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Dimitrius Zabelle
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Posted - 2006.06.21 02:05:00 -
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Im lost here.. They reduced the ammount of minerals you get from Infiltrated Outposts?
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Irashi
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Posted - 2006.06.21 02:07:00 -
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/Whined... er- I mean Signed.
Dominix, Nosferatu, ECM, Webber, Tank, Drones, Spare cash, Insurance, No implants, Reckless attitude, Unresolved personal issues: Win |
Surly Bob
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Posted - 2006.06.21 02:55:00 -
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Guys, just join a 0.0 alliance and all of your problems will be solved!!!!!!!
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Bodark
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Posted - 2006.06.21 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Surly Bob
Guys, just join a 0.0 alliance and all of your problems will be solved!!!!!!!
after 12 days....
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Irashi
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Posted - 2006.06.21 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Bodark
Originally by: Surly Bob
Guys, just join a 0.0 alliance and all of your problems will be solved!!!!!!!
after 12 days....
Age is no barrier, though a lot of corps will set a lower SP limit. Best to stay in empire and learn the basics of the game for a while, build up a few million SP and some spare isk.
Dominix, Nosferatu, ECM, Webber, Tank, Drones, Spare cash, Insurance, No implants, Reckless attitude, Unresolved personal issues: Win |
Dimitrius Zabelle
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Posted - 2006.06.21 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Surly Bob
Guys, just join a 0.0 alliance and all of your problems will be solved!!!!!!!
Sure.. So all the corps who dont want to join an alliance, who would rather not be bossed around by the bigger corps and would rather do their own thing have to play a game in which they wont be happy just to make a living? Sure thats a good solution.
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Bodark
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Posted - 2006.06.21 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Irashi
Originally by: Bodark
Originally by: Surly Bob
Guys, just join a 0.0 alliance and all of your problems will be solved!!!!!!!
after 12 days....
Age is no barrier, though a lot of corps will set a lower SP limit. Best to stay in empire and learn the basics of the game for a while, build up a few million SP and some spare isk.
Ok, you got me, where do I sign hmm ?
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B0rn2KiLL
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Posted - 2006.06.21 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Irashi
Originally by: Bodark
Originally by: Surly Bob
Guys, just join a 0.0 alliance and all of your problems will be solved!!!!!!!
after 12 days....
Age is no barrier, though a lot of corps will set a lower SP limit. Best to stay in empire and learn the basics of the game for a while, build up a few million SP and some spare isk.
1.4 yr old 16.5mil sp w/ 7mil in gunnery && 10 mo caldari specialist w/ 9 mil sp looking for good alliance
-i make a good miner too, i follow orders well. please take me. please?
jesus f.c. geh.
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new sig, Hijack it and ill eat u.
*Imaran hands B0rn2KiLL a fork - Come get some!11 
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Surly Bob
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Posted - 2006.06.21 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Irashi
Originally by: Bodark
Originally by: Surly Bob
Guys, just join a 0.0 alliance and all of your problems will be solved!!!!!!!
after 12 days....
Age is no barrier, though a lot of corps will set a lower SP limit. Best to stay in empire and learn the basics of the game for a while, build up a few million SP and some spare isk.
You'll need that isk to fight wars on behalf of your new "benefactors" who will happily use you as expendable cannon fodder for the "privledge" of mining/ratting in "their space".
Alliance life sure sounds goooood! I enjoy being dominated!! Where do I sign up??!!
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agent apple
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Posted - 2006.06.21 03:19:00 -
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The point is that majour game changes should always be disscussed with a player base and not just, Bang didnt see that one coming did ya!!!
Im happy to go off and do plenty of other things, in fact I could just sit on the billions I already have and do nothing but pvp from log on to log off so please do fool yourself into thinking im whining here, I am not.
Im concerend that if CCP continue to make large changes to the game that seriously affect how large groups of players get to enjoy their game play (and despite what you may think carebares are entitled to carebare) that they will push players away from eve ala SWG. And that will have a serious impact on eve for everyone.
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Irashi
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Posted - 2006.06.21 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Surly Bob
Alliance life sure sounds goooood! I enjoy being dominated!! Where do I sign up??!!
There next to the sign where it says '-Delusional paranoid nutcases who pretend they know what they're talking about even though they've never even bothered to find out for themselves and are just basing all their opinions on heresay and inaccurate assumptions- please wait here'
Dominix, Nosferatu, ECM, Webber, Tank, Drones, Spare cash, Insurance, No implants, Reckless attitude, Unresolved personal issues: Win |
Surly Bob
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Posted - 2006.06.21 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Irashi
Originally by: Surly Bob
Alliance life sure sounds goooood! I enjoy being dominated!! Where do I sign up??!!
There next to the sign where it says '-Delusional paranoid nutcases who pretend they know what they're talking about even though they've never even bothered to find out for themselves and are just basing all their opinions on heresay and inaccurate assumptions- please wait here'
Why don't you ADAPT to my posts, instead of WHINING about them? What REWARD is your alliance giving you to incur the RISK of further humiliating yourself in order to maybe, possibly, recruit some newbies?
In other words, "Cry more noob?"
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MajorPMS
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Posted - 2006.06.21 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: Irashi
Originally by: Surly Bob
Alliance life sure sounds goooood! I enjoy being dominated!! Where do I sign up??!!
There next to the sign where it says '-Delusional paranoid nutcases who pretend they know what they're talking about even though they've never even bothered to find out for themselves and are just basing all their opinions on heresay and inaccurate assumptions- please wait here'
Has it occured to you that people dont want to try and do whatever you are talking about Mr."i never seen a 70 man gang that form's his opinions from experience and doesnt run missions but sit's in mission forum tryin to recruit people because Han's probly told him to".
Maybe they want to log in and skill up a little and not be bothered with your politic's. Maybe they dont have time for that crap at the moment. Maybe they have tried it and just dont like it. It seems to me that you just like to greif people on the forum that are having a bad day do to an un-announced nerf .Well done .
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Surly Bob
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Posted - 2006.06.21 03:43:00 -
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Join a 0.0 alliance - you too may one day be put on forum whoring duty!!!
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.06.21 03:58:00 -
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other sources of zyd exist miners might have a chance now
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Sadist
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Posted - 2006.06.21 09:55:00 -
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CCP
nerfing all ways to make isk since T2 lottery.
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VIP member of the [23]
Quote:
- Numbers alone do not win a battle
- No, but I bet they help.
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Delezar
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Posted - 2006.06.21 10:16:00 -
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I like the changes very much, the ammount of isk we were able to grind in lowsec was too high imho. Afterall we do get a very nice lp boost when running missions in lowsec. In my opinion high end ores that can only be mined in 0.0 should not be obtainable in mission in non 0.0 space at all or at highly reduced rates. |
Ceremony Garp
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Posted - 2006.06.21 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ortt
Edited by: Ortt on 21/06/2006 01:49:01
Originally by: agent apple
Dont get me wrong missions paid too much money in high sec and some were clearly broken spamming out massive amounts of zyd and morphite.
Give me a break, quit appologizing that some missions give good rewards, why do them if they don't?
Originally by: agent apple
So why the hell do you sneak in massive stealth nerfs like to one today with missions. Dont get me wrong missions paid too much money in high sec and some were clearly broken spamming out massive amounts of zyd and morphite.
Because they can. Nerfing in order to do a Kali faux boost is annoying even when its a mistake.
Originally by: agent apple
blah blah blah...
Yeh everyone's mad at this, suck it up...
What the hell is wrong with you? Why did you actually bother posting anything at all? It's wan*ers like you who have nothing good to say and come here only to talk out of the side of your neck at people with legitimate comments and/or posts.
Do me, yourself and everyone else a massive favour and shut the f**k up until you have something constructive to say.
God dammit, yet another freakin' hard man behind a remote keyboard.
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.06.21 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Delezar
I like the changes very much, the ammount of isk we were able to grind in lowsec was too high imho. Afterall we do get a very nice lp boost when running missions in lowsec. In my opinion high end ores that can only be mined in 0.0 should not be obtainable in mission in non 0.0 space at all or at highly reduced rates.
"too high" for what? did someone suffered from "too much isk"? did someone quit the game because he could/someone else could have "too much" isk from low sec?
what is your point at all?
as of the lp boost, well i don't see it yet, all I see is Pirate Invasion that used to give like 7k lp and decent loot now replaced with completely different deadspace mission that is way harder, gives only 1k lp and drops next to no loot. That's not a boost that's a huge nerf.
as of the high end ore, well again, why shouldn't this be? look in that "zyd prices will go up" thread, the 0.0 miners themselves can't agree that prices will go up. that means that no matter how much people farmed the mission, 0.0 miner slaves mine way more. what that did is simply take isk from mission runners pocket and put them into the pocket of 0.0 miners. As if they had way too little isk already. it is just a nerf for the sake of nerf, and that is a bad thing. yes I agree that mission farming and high sec lvl4 was looking fishy but then nerf farming/move lvl4 agents into low sec, not nerf the whole mission/plexes. As I've suggested already, make all the missions drop only quest items if respawned once to avoid any farming but still make it possible to re-try mission after DT.
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Tarron Sarek
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Posted - 2006.06.21 12:28:00 -
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Mnengli Noiliffe, well although I think that 'too much' of anything isn't good for a game and thus disagree with that point, I wholeheartedly agree to the rest of your post.
Bugs aren't good, excessive farming isn't good, exploits are probably worst.. but nerfs aren't helpful either.
Balancing should be the word and the action.
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III LightBringer
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Posted - 2006.06.21 13:20:00 -
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From the beginning, EVE was ment to be a multiplayer game.
Level 4 missions where never MENT to be soloed.
5/10 complexes where never ment to be soloed.
a level 8/10 plex was never ment to be soloed in an inty with fighters.
IF CCP can find ways to force players into corporations and again alliances, then they can get a better handle on the macroers. People will not allow macroers into the serious alliances. That is because, alliance leaders play the game, and won't stand for it.
If they now just set ALL objects in space into 'slow drift' makeing all BM's useless for gates, stations, roids and other 'crap', then I will be a happy person.
That will make freighter convoys haveing to use 'slingshots', miners to activly mine, and people the chanse to defend theire home from fast moveing HAC-gangs and other T2 scum.
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III LightBringer
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Posted - 2006.06.21 13:20:00 -
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From the beginning, EVE was ment to be a multiplayer game.
Level 4 missions where never MENT to be soloed.
5/10 complexes where never ment to be soloed.
a level 8/10 plex was never ment to be soloed in an inty with fighters.
IF CCP can find ways to force players into corporations and again alliances, then they can get a better handle on the macroers. People will not allow macroers into the serious alliances. That is because, alliance leaders play the game, and won't stand for it.
If they now just set ALL objects in space into 'slow drift' makeing all BM's useless for gates, stations, roids and other 'crap', then I will be a happy person.
That will make freighter convoys haveing to use 'slingshots', miners to activly mine, and people the chanse to defend theire home from fast moveing HAC-gangs and other T2 scum.
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Olly210
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Posted - 2006.06.21 14:31:00 -
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/ Signed.
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MrBadidea
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Posted - 2006.06.21 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: III LightBringer
From the beginning, EVE was ment to be a multiplayer game.
Level 4 missions where never MENT to be soloed.
blah blah blah
Cluetrain plz.
The dev's have stated many times that L4s are designed to be difficult, but can be done SOLO.
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