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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2006.06.21 06:10:00 -
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The patch has bought a lot of changes to missions. So many, in fact, that changes isn't exactly the right word. "Overhaul" would be better. Dozens of missions changed completely (for example, the lv4 mission "The Score" go from a small scale encounter with 4 hostiles to a 3-stage deadspace mission with 60+ hostiles), bounties added on rogue drones and their drops nerfed, battlecruisers and destroyers appearing in much greater numbers, whatever.
I'm not posting this to discuss whether those changes were needed or not, of if they're globally good or bad. I'll let others do that. What I want to ask is that:
Why are changes of such magnitude not in the patch notes? Something this size isn't the kind of bug correction added at the last minute. This is even bigger a change than, for exemple, suddenly deciding that Serpentis ships now do explosive damage and are vulnerable to EM!
With each patch, the playerbase has complained about stealth changes, but instead of just making sure the patch notes are more or less accurate, you guys at CCP just keep doing it, and this top everything you've done to date.
What next? Complete EW overhaul stealth change?
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Barron IX
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Posted - 2006.06.21 06:17:00 -
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cause CCP is tired of ppl like you just farm missions and do nothing to help the community
we need pilots like u to come to 0.0 and fight and have fun. we have Teamspez and cookies
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2006.06.21 06:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Barron IX
cause CCP is tired of ppl like you just farm missions and do nothing to help the community
we need pilots like u to come to 0.0 and fight and have fun. we have Teamspez and cookies
so come already
And maybe you should stop flaming people you know nothing about. I'm often in 0.0, I do pvp, and I stopped doing missions in high-sec long, long ago.
No go troll another thread, worthless alt...
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Brutor Shaun
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Posted - 2006.06.21 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Barron IX
cause CCP is tired of ppl like you just farm missions and do nothing to help the community
we need pilots like u to come to 0.0 and fight and have fun.
Hmmm....that helps the community. In the same way your reply helped this thread!
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Barron IX
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Posted - 2006.06.21 06:39:00 -
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listen. i am not worthless. i have many good values.
in any case. Level 4 missions are suppose to be hard. they are suppose to make u sweat. CCP did u a favor.
tip: in 0.0 u can make more isk than running silly level 4s
why do u think ppl are fighting for regions?
hmmmm??? Go play solitare or learn risk vs reward |
Kuolematon
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Posted - 2006.06.21 07:02:00 -
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Heh typical cs kiddie reply from Barron. If you don't play like he wants and what makes *HIM* having fun, your not helping game and should quit.
I tought that EVE community is better than that .. there is place for everyone, even for GTC sellers
Unnerf Amarr!
"Just because you can utterly ruin another player's game doesn't mean that you must."
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Sukme Sidwayz
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Posted - 2006.06.21 07:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Heh typical cs kiddie reply from Barron.
ANd your responce is just the same tbh...
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Erik Pathfinder
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Posted - 2006.06.21 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sukme Sidwayz
Originally by: Kuolematon
Heh typical cs kiddie reply from Barron.
ANd your responce is just the same tbh...
*looks at your name
*laughs
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Righteous Fury
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Posted - 2006.06.21 07:17:00 -
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CCP have been doing stealth nerfs for as long as I've been playing. Its highly irritating and they've been called out on it before with promises of redemption in the future, but it hasn't happened.
Stealth nerfs unfortuantely have become a fact of life, I suggest you learn to deal with it.
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2006.06.21 07:20:00 -
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I would like to see patch notes... eventually. Just so I don't run a missiona and zone out like I usually do only to find myself massacred because they changed it somehow. Patch notes would be nice.
;)
Others, lets be constructive here.
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2006.06.21 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Barron IX
listen. i am not worthless. i have many good values.
in any case. Level 4 missions are suppose to be hard. they are suppose to make u sweat. CCP did u a favor.
tip: in 0.0 u can make more isk than running silly level 4s
why do u think ppl are fighting for regions?
hmmmm??? Go play solitare or learn risk vs reward
It's pretty obvious you haven't bothered to even read my thread...
Ok, let me quote the important part to you:
Quote:
I'm not posting this to discuss whether those changes were needed or not, of if they're globally good or bad. I'll let others do that. What I want to ask is that:
Why are changes of such magnitude not in the patch notes?
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Brastagi
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Posted - 2006.06.21 07:29:00 -
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Edited by: Brastagi on 21/06/2006 07:30:37
Originally by: Barron IX
listen. i am not worthless. i have many good values.
in any case. Level 4 missions are suppose to be hard. they are suppose to make u sweat. CCP did u a favor.
tip: in 0.0 u can make more isk than running silly level 4s
why do u think ppl are fighting for regions?
hmmmm??? Go play solitare or learn risk vs reward
Ummm how about collecting LP to get that nice faction ship like Navy version battleship? Not to mention if you can get hold of multiple run Navy bpc. Also some rare skills come from mission running.
For me I haven't run any mission yet after DT. Will get post another later after done several of them.
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2006.06.21 07:59:00 -
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Update: Looking at the mission forum, it seems that those mission changes weren't meant to be deployed with this patch, and that they'll be removed, at least in pat, asap.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.21 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
Update: Looking at the mission forum, it seems that those mission changes weren't meant to be deployed with this patch, and that they'll be removed, at least in pat, asap.
Too bad... everybody in the npc corp im in is very happy about the higher bounties on lvl 3 missions.
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Trev Kachanov
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Posted - 2006.06.21 08:13:00 -
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I know what's happened, CCP sold Eve - Online to SOE!! must be!!
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.06.21 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Barron IX
listen. i am not worthless. i have many good values.
in any case. Level 4 missions are suppose to be hard. they are suppose to make u sweat. CCP did u a favor.
tip: in 0.0 u can make more isk than running silly level 4s
why do u think ppl are fighting for regions?
hmmmm??? Go play solitare or learn risk vs reward
Not really true unless you join a mega alliance and fight over the VERY VERY few places in 0.0 with something to fight over. The proffitable places in 0.0 have been locked up long long ago and any small to mid sized organization has roughly a snowball's chance in hell of doing anything there.
Most of 0.0 is a desolate wasteland with only moderate (if any) improvement over earning potential in lowsec.
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Ashraaf
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Posted - 2006.06.21 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
it seems that those mission changes weren't meant to be deployed with this patch, and that they'll be removed, at least in pat, asap.
This patch or another don't make a real difference
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Trac3rt
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Posted - 2006.06.21 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
This is even bigger a change than, for exemple, suddenly deciding that Serpentis ships now do explosive damage and are vulnerable to EM!
I would love CCP forever if they did this!
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Flex Carter
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Posted - 2006.06.21 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Righteous Fury
CCP have been doing stealth nerfs for as long as I've been playing. Its highly irritating and they've been called out on it before with promises of redemption in the future, but it hasn't happened.
Stealth nerfs unfortuantely have become a fact of life, I suggest you learn to deal with it.
And time and time again, some innocent Newbie will ask the forum, "With the up coming patch, what can I expect?" Then get blasted by the whole community and Devs alike to read the Patch Notes. As if the notes are written in stoneā
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Jane Vladmir
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Posted - 2006.06.21 13:01:00 -
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"All those level 4 agents should be moved to 0.0 and the missions should be at celestials which anyone could warp to, and the rewards should be buffed a bit.
All those level 3 agents should be moved to 0.4 or lower and the missions should be at celestials which anyone could warp to, and the rewards should be buffed a bit."
^ Is still my say on mission changes for a better future, instead of changing missions and adding stronger NPCs to kill do exactly that.
Give me a good reason why this shouldn't and hasn't happent please.
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Chewan Mesa
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Posted - 2006.06.21 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Barron IX
listen. i am not worthless. i have many good values.
in any case. Level 4 missions are suppose to be hard. they are suppose to make u sweat. CCP did u a favor.
tip: in 0.0 u can make more isk than running silly level 4s
why do u think ppl are fighting for regions?
hmmmm??? Go play solitare or learn risk vs reward
Wait a sec, arent you the guy who posted all amarrian ships suck?
Anyway, I dont mind the missions getting tougher, but a mention in the patchnotes would have been nice alright, agree with the OP there.
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Surly Bob
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Posted - 2006.06.21 13:12:00 -
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Empire mission runners - your days of freedom are numbered.
You will be sold into slavery for one alliance or another, so you might as well just head on out to 0.0 and enlist, before you get drafted.
Your pathetic attempts to "adapt" are futile. If another method of making ISK outside 0.0 is discovered, it will be nerfed. The only legitimate ways to make ISK in Eve are to sell GTCs, own tech2 BPOs, or be a miner slave/meatshield for someone else who sells GTCs or owns tech2 BPOs. Break out your credit card, kids, because CCP has gone into full harvest (EA) mode. You are the veld roid, CCP is the mining laser. ZAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPP!!!!
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000Hunter000
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Posted - 2006.06.21 13:25:00 -
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*shrugs* so i don't make a billion isk a month by farming BS spawns in 0.0, who cares, i'm not a billionaire nor prolly will i ever be (cuz the first chance i have i will spend it all MWHAHAHAAAAerrr... nm that) but i still have my (own kind) of fun on the fringes between hi and low sec beeing a fluffy carebear.
Lets put it this way, if any of u guys don't like MY playingstyle then perhaps U should go play another game. (i'm not really serious btw, cuz as long as u don't comment on how i enjoy my game then who am i to comment on yours?  )
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2006.06.22 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: 000Hunter000
Lets put it this way, if any of u guys don't like MY playingstyle then perhaps U should go play another game.
They cannot understand that there is people who likes this game but dosen't enjoy so much of being their target practice objects.
Everyone knows that agent runners are like soft icecream in middle summer to PvP'ers simply because one EW module and all those 2 billion itams you have are worthless.
Having all mission objects jumpable to outsiders too? Are you like .. nuts?  Luckily there is still places in empire where you can .. ups nm. Let's not get that nerffed too. 
Unnerf Amarr!
"Just because you can utterly ruin another player's game doesn't mean that you must."
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Serathu
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Posted - 2006.06.22 05:52:00 -
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Thread cleaned a little.
Please keep it constructive and polite in here folks
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.06.22 06:02:00 -
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CCP make these unknown changes to simply force things thro and test em if they dont work out they backdown if no one complains or it works out they proceed think of it this way not all changes are now documented
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Akkarin Pagan
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Posted - 2006.06.22 07:02:00 -
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I like the new rats :), but knowing that they were going to be there after extended dt would have been nice too.
On another note, PvPers seem to forget that the Empire loving carebears provide a very valuable service to the rest of EvE. If it weren't for the guys in the noob and carebear corps generating all those loveley named T1 stuff that everyone likes to use while they wait for their skills to train up for the T2 version, where would newer PvPers be?
Is the ideal PvP view of the EvE cluster to be a bunch of vets flying around killing each other, with no noobs or younger players about because they are always getting wtfbbqpwned by the said vets and their uber T2 gear? That it isn't worth playing the game above training skills for 3 years so you too can get the good stuff, because there is no alternative to T1 apart form T2?
Carebears are a valuable part of EvE, just like builders and miners. They mean that I can buy the shiney new ships and mods I want when my PvP habit or a pirate  loses me another ship! :)
Akkarin
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Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2006.06.22 07:42:00 -
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Although i agree it isnt very sporting of CCP not to tell you about the changes, i do see possible reasons for not highlighting mission changes. The missions changed but thats because if they tell you every mission and how it works it would remove any element of working them out. Once a mission is worked out it is very easy to do it, same thing with complex's so keeping things hot and unknown keeps you on your feet, i kinda like it provided they dont start stealth nurfing modules :P
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Merin Ryskin
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Posted - 2006.06.22 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ashraaf
Originally by: Shadowsword
it seems that those mission changes weren't meant to be deployed with this patch, and that they'll be removed, at least in pat, asap.
This patch or another don't make a real difference
Of course it does. Think about it for a second... if they were released early, they probably aren't in final form. When the changes finally are released, they could very easily be much less objectionable (or even an improvement!). Wait and see what they're meant to be before making prophecies of doom.
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Rick Dentill
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Posted - 2006.06.22 07:48:00 -
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So far I have had no problems with missions, except the loot was pretty meagre in stop the saboteurs or whatever its called, but I never really trust the agent I did it with anyway
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