should they [supercaps] be dying in battle?

i think that's an interesting argument, that people may not log in supers because of a watchlist. i think it's preferable that someone'd feel comfortable logging in without feeling that basic act'd get them killed.

but i also wonder if it'd be too difficult to catch a super without a watchlist? it's silly to expect someone to camp a logoff point for months. big news stories in mainstream media come out of having supers be tracked for months, and it's a playstyle a notable number of people enjoy.

should supers be 'caught' with watchlist games or should they be dying in battle? (e: a big fight) would a restricted watchlist cause more people to log on their supers? would it result in people having more fun in their supers, more supers in fights? is that a good thing or a bad thing? who'd it benefit and who'd it restrict?

i've seen less supers in space than i have fingers, haven't been in a fight with more than two hundred people, and barely log on, so i've no bloody idea.

Well, as you already said it: Supers should die in a fight, and not die because PL has every single Supercap Pilot watchlisted and as soon as they log in, they run a Locater on them.

You are right

And at the moment it gets even worse:

People are watching the Forums to see who buys a Super or Titan and THEN puts them on watchlist.
As soon as the char logs in they will run a locater on them and send an alt there to wait until the Super/Titan is sold.
You read it almost every week on EVEnews or TMC that a freshly bought Titan got killed by this metagaming.
and losing Ships in EvE because you bought it on the forum and people can watchlist you is bad for this game.


+1 for this Idea

It's easy to mitigate that risk, if you aren't terrible at Eve. We have alts for :reasons:.

1. Buy Titan on alt through forums.
2. Log alt in in Jita for hours at a time.
3. Have 3rd party transfer Titan to actual pilot who does not post in that forum thread.

This does make sense in the broad terms.

Free intel from across the galaxy is worse than free intel in the solar system you are in (Local)

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This does make sense in the broad terms.

Free intel from across the galaxy is worse than free intel in the solar system you are in (Local)

m

Unfortunately there is an un-intended side effect of this in high sec wars. Watch lists are used to calculate if your targets or your aggressors are logged on at a given point. Tracking down 5 active pilots in a corp containing 50+ inactive alts would become exponentially more time consuming (and expensive) without an alternative game mechanic in place.

In the opposite direction it is quite comforting knowing that the 20-30 man war dec'ing alliance siting in the Jita pipe has only 1 dude on, (mostly likely camping the Jita undock.) after 3 weeks of war decs.

There is no unfortunatly in this story, since your enemy doesnt know how many YOU have online either...

Think about the net result.

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If out of 50-100 man corp there are 2-10 people active without the watch list you'd not be able to find them without flying around every system in high sec. When we have had a high sec contract involving one of the first activities is to add all the target pilots to the watch list and us this as a basis to track them down. This involves looking at contract history of the active pilots and use locator agents to get their approximate location, then track them down. This isn't trivial in the amount of effort / time spent.

If you made watch lists consensual by default without providing another mechanic to filter inactive players you'd effectively leave empire wars to camping on the Jita undock or people war dec'ing as many people as possible to have targets, its a rather blunt instrument and ultimately less fun. Removing watch lists in high sec is "kind of like" removing local in null sec. You'd not really know if there was anyone out there to fight.

Think about the net result.

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If out of 50-100 man corp there are 2-10 people active without the watch list you'd not be able to find them without flying around every system in high sec. When we have had a high sec contract involving one of the first activities is to add all the target pilots to the watch list and us this as a basis to track them down. This involves looking at contract history of the active pilots and use locator agents to get their approximate location, then track them down. This isn't trivial in the amount of effort / time spent.

If you made watch lists consensual by default without providing another mechanic to filter inactive players you'd effectively leave empire wars to camping on the Jita undock or people war dec'ing as many people as possible to have targets, its a rather blunt instrument and ultimately less fun. Removing watch lists in high sec is "kind of like" removing local in null sec. You'd not really know if there was anyone out there to fight.

Interesting, you are basically saying that opt-in watch list contacts would also fix hi sec wars- unintended, but desirable consequence.

What about if there was a second version of the locator agent?

One that, after a variable amount of time (hours) would let you know if your target has been 'active'

This would tell a hunter if the super was on the move but not with enough warning to batphone. Would provide wardec info as to who was active and needed closer watching.

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Alternatively you could log out your spacepeniscoffin in a POS instead of the same spot in lowsec that you were in 6 months ago.

What about if there was a second version of the locator agent?

One that, after a variable amount of time (hours) would let you know if your target has been 'active'

This would tell a hunter if the super was on the move but not with enough warning to batphone. Would provide wardec info as to who was active and needed closer watching.

m