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Malfesa Longoten	Posted - 2006.06.21 15:34:00 - [1] Having SUCH a major overhaul, with no real notification or even hints about it in the patch notes is a very negative move on CCP's part in one of two ways... Either these changes were MEANT to be done... in which case the lack of warning and COMPLETE and utter lack of ANY kind or response from anyone in CCP is just an absolute disgrace and a slap in the face to all paying customers. Tell me, why is this such a big secret? Or the changes were meant for later (as hinted to by some posts revealing some GM convos)... And if this was the case, then having such a major overhaul "accidentally" done smacks of sheer incompetance. My question is, which one was it, and why? I don't understand all of the seeming secrecy behind all of this. Not one word has been said publically by ANYONE in CCP about this yet. Why? All we have so far is bits and pieces coming out from private convos. Is this some big cover-up by CCP? I hope not, but it sure seems that way right now. CCP: we need some answers. Keeping this whole thing under tight wraps is angering a lot of paying customers.
aeti	Posted - 2006.06.21 15:37:00 - [2] what actually are you talking about? O.o
Bentguru	Posted - 2006.06.21 15:38:00 - [3] It wasn't that major. It wasn't unexpected. It isn't a big deal. Go back under your rock. -- New Petition Inc Vid This signature is protected by the pattented NoDev 2000 technology. THERE WILL BE NO COLORS But colors are fun!!-Kaemonn Look! Christmas colors!-ReverendM
Malfesa Longoten	Posted - 2006.06.21 15:41:00 - [4] Originally by: Bentguru It wasn't that major. It wasn't unexpected. It isn't a big deal. Go back under your rock. And that's why the Missions forum absolutely went off the charts yesterday? You're either completely retarded, or completely annoying.
Aladrielle	Posted - 2006.06.21 15:42:00 - [5] If its relating to mission changes, i think it wasnt meant to be pushed to that build... If all the focus of testing on singularity was on the POS etc changes, than how can you expect something that wasnt supposed to be in the build to be properly coordinated for testing? ~ Oops, i appear to have my "Dread Guristas Thread-killer' module installed ><
Deanna Gunn	Posted - 2006.06.21 15:44:00 - [6] Originally by: Malfesa Longoten You're either completely retarded, or completely annoying.
Malfesa Longoten	Posted - 2006.06.21 15:45:00 - [7] I'm referring to the mission changes, of course...
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2006.06.21 15:46:00 - [8] there is a mission forum ?
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.21 15:47:00 - [9] You guys get a penny for every whine thread from the lobbyists? --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.21 15:47:00 - [10] /me still have mission phobia the day RMR went live. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Aladrielle	Posted - 2006.06.21 15:50:00 - [11] Its possible that the changes snuck in whan they had to nerf the xx14 build on singularity? Mabe accidentally pushed xx15 or something, which might have had mission stuff in it, under the name xx13? Or it could be something really silly, like they patched the server-side mission file in the DT cycle by mistake... Schoolboy errors 4tw ;) ~ Oops, i appear to have my "Dread Guristas Thread-killer' module installed ><
Tachy	Posted - 2006.06.21 15:50:00 - [12] The trend didn't start this week. It started way back in beta. --==*-- Megadon CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray
0August0	Posted - 2006.06.21 15:52:00 - [13] Gee, CCP is staffed by fallible human beings instead of perfect robots. The outrage! . . . Regards, August Soldier of the Gooch
Malfesa Longoten	Posted - 2006.06.21 15:55:00 - [14] Originally by: 0August0 Gee, CCP is staffed by fallible human beings instead of perfect robots. The outrage! The point isn't that a mistake was made, its that if it WAS a mistake, nobody in CCP wants to talk about it. Thanks for your .02 ISK, tho.
Maltrox	Posted - 2006.06.21 16:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Malfesa Longoten Originally by: 0August0 Gee, CCP is staffed by fallible human beings instead of perfect robots. The outrage! The point isn't that a mistake was made, its that if it WAS a mistake, nobody in CCP wants to talk about it. Thanks for your .02 ISK, tho. If I had a penny for everytime an Eve user complained, and another penny for everytime they demanded an answer immediately from CCP knowing full well we are post patch T-plus 48, Bill Gates would be asking me for pocket change. To be serious, and to list facts: Fact: CCP is staffed by some of the most accomplished developers and staff around. Take a look at the awards won. Fact: CCP staff are human and subject to the same stresses we all are, even more so in some cases. I bet YOU don't have to deal with the server crashing now do you? Fact: Post patch there are ALWAYS bugs. Heck, look what happened to Concord. It was/is adressed. It didn't happen instantly. Fact: Post patch week the deluge of petitions is known to rise. On a good day it is very deep and CCP slogs through it as best they can. Fact: Posting a mostly ambiguous post without any in-game evidence to support the bug/exploit/glitch is non-constructive to developers to resolve the problem Fact: There is a bug reporting form that can be used with the necessary information to help speed the fix process. Fact: You cannot expect the game to be perfect, every time. Neither can you with life. Fact: I have posted too many facts here.
Kerfira	Posted - 2006.06.21 16:16:00 - [16] FACT: It would probably also take the edge off peoples complaints if CCP bothered to give just a tiny bit of information. If the company I worked in treated my customers like this (I'm talking about the lack of information, not the bugs), we'd be out of business pretty soon.
Helplessandlost	Posted - 2006.06.21 16:19:00 - [17] Originally by: Kerfira FACT: It would probably also take the edge off peoples complaints if CCP bothered to give just a tiny bit of information. If the company I worked in treated my customers like this (I'm talking about the lack of information, not the bugs), we'd be out of business pretty soon. So this little tidbit doesn't qualify as info? =========================================== extended downtime today, wednesday to 13:00 gmt to deploy fixes and address exploits reported by Oveur \| 2006.06.21 11:44:08 \| NEW We're deploying some hotfixes and addressing an exploit in this extended downtime. We should be up and running again about 13:00 GMT. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. ----------- Or do you require exact code lines etc? ------------------------------------------------ "Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
Lisento Slaven	Posted - 2006.06.21 16:22:00 - [18] Originally by: Kerfira FACT: It would probably also take the edge off peoples complaints if CCP bothered to give just a tiny bit of information. If the company I worked in treated my customers like this (I'm talking about the lack of information, not the bugs), we'd be out of business pretty soon. Someone should tell Sierra they are supposed to be out of business in this case =P Note: It's been a long time since I've dealt with Sierra so I don't know if they are even still in business because I'm too lazy being a forum crawler to open up a new window and check it out... --- Lisento Slaven wants to be a Space Whaler in EVE. Put in space whales!
Kerfira	Posted - 2006.06.21 16:25:00 - [19] Originally by: Helplessandlost So this little tidbit doesn't qualify as info? =========================================== extended downtime today, wednesday to 13:00 gmt to deploy fixes and address exploits reported by Oveur \| 2006.06.21 11:44:08 \| NEW This very tiny bit of information tells nothing. It doesn't say what has been fixed. Concord, mission, belt rats giving huge damage... So yes, I'd say it counts as no information. Besides, look at the timestamp! That is about 18(!) hours after the patch was deployed. The bugs started to become evident pretty soon after deployment (at least the mission ones), but 18 hours went by without as much as a 'We're aware of the problems with x, y and z. Looking into them'. So yes, I stand by my comment!
Malfesa Longoten	Posted - 2006.06.21 16:26:00 - [20] Originally by: Maltrox If I had a penny for everytime an Eve user complained, and another penny for everytime they demanded an answer immediately from CCP knowing full well we are post patch T-plus 48, Bill Gates would be asking me for pocket change. I am well aware of the number of "whine" posts on these boards. But what you're overlooking, or ignoring, is yesterday's situation is just a WEE BIT different than anything that has happened in Eve-land in quite a long time. And your "facts" are all well and good, but they mostly don't apply to yesterday, which is something that goes outside the lines and go way beyond what your facts cover. And this also goes beyond "demanding an answer immediately". Yesterday's debacle was an unscheduled, undocumented, and from all accounts thus far, something that CCP either wants to cover up, or sweep under the rug. I'd say that in this case, SOMEONE from CCP should be saying SOMETHING.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.21 16:32:00 - [21] Originally by: Malfesa Longoten Having SUCH a major overhaul, with no real notification or even hints about it in the patch notes is a very negative move on CCP's part in one of two ways... Either these changes were MEANT to be done... in which case the lack of warning and COMPLETE and utter lack of ANY kind or response from anyone in CCP is just an absolute disgrace and a slap in the face to all paying customers. Tell me, why is this such a big secret? Or the changes were meant for later (as hinted to by some posts revealing some GM convos)... And if this was the case, then having such a major overhaul "accidentally" done smacks of sheer incompetance. My question is, which one was it, and why? I don't understand all of the seeming secrecy behind all of this. Not one word has been said publically by ANYONE in CCP about this yet. Why? All we have so far is bits and pieces coming out from private convos. Is this some big cover-up by CCP? I hope not, but it sure seems that way right now. CCP: we need some answers. Keeping this whole thing under tight wraps is angering a lot of paying customers. I dont see the big deal at all. I could understand the whine about Kali being delayed and the whine about ccp not communicating with us during E3. But this is just beyond me. A patch went wrong and the sky is falling? Come on, what are you doing? Please walk outside and see this thing for what it is. Put it in perspective. Yep, they probably made a mistake, and they will probably post something about it when they have enough information on what caused it. Enough with these whine posts... --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Drused	Posted - 2006.06.21 16:35:00 - [22] What gets me is that all these 'stealth nerfs' are changes to missions and how they operate. It is a shame that so many people get upset because they can't run static environments. This is a game. Enjoy the thrill of exploring a new mission or at least a mission that has been changed.
Malfesa Longoten	Posted - 2006.06.21 16:41:00 - [23] Originally by: Jim McGregor I dont see the big deal at all. You don't... a LOT of other people do. Let's just leave it at that. Continuing to complain about the complainers isn't helping, either. It's a bigger situation than anything that has happened before. If you're not seeing the bigger picture of the repercussions of yesterday's debacle, just ignore it, and everything that is happening because of it (including the "whine" posts). The "perspective" of it all is that it IS a bigger deal than you're giving credit to... at least so far (with the lack of CCP response).
Dave White	Posted - 2006.06.21 16:44:00 - [24] Originally by: Chode Rizoum there is a mission forum ? qft whats a mission? Killboard
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.21 16:54:00 - [25] Originally by: Malfesa Longoten Originally by: Jim McGregor I dont see the big deal at all. You don't... a LOT of other people do. Let's just leave it at that. Continuing to complain about the complainers isn't helping, either. It's a bigger situation than anything that has happened before. If you're not seeing the bigger picture of the repercussions of yesterday's debacle, just ignore it, and everything that is happening because of it (including the "whine" posts). The "perspective" of it all is that it IS a bigger deal than you're giving credit to... at least so far (with the lack of CCP response). These whine posts are nothing compared to when there really was anger in the forums (Kali related etc). All i see are a handful of whine threads, and when they fall to the bottom of the list, someone creates a new thread about the same thing. Over and over. You seem convinced there is this big coverup going on, and like a mad man you continue to rabble about it without seeing other possibilities. So no, a LOT of people dont think this is a big deal. If there was, you would have posts with people agreeing with you that are 10 pages long. There is nothing of that going on. Look around in here. You are wrong but you might not be able to see it. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Malfesa Longoten	Posted - 2006.06.21 17:05:00 - [26] Originally by: Jim McGregor So no, a LOT of people dont think this is a big deal. If there was, you would have posts with people agreeing with you that are 10 pages long. There is nothing of that going on. Look around in here. You are wrong but you might not be able to see it. Go check the Mission forum and open your eyes. You want to provide an alternate point of view, fine. But for someone who is accusing me of "not being able to see", you sure are doing a good job of acting blind.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.21 17:17:00 - [27] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 21/06/2006 17:20:48 Originally by: Malfesa Longoten Go check the Mission forum and open your eyes. You want to provide an alternate point of view, fine. But for someone who is accusing me of "not being able to see", you sure are doing a good job of acting blind. I actually liked that comment. Im not saying that mission runners arent upset. Alot of them were probably doing missions every day, grinding away for loyalty points without having any fun whatsoever. Thats fine. And I agree ccp should have told people about the many mission changes. Now some of them died and lost alot of money because they couldnt be afk while doing the missions anymore. Its not right, and its not fair. I do agree with you on this. I do NOT agree its a coverup from ccp though. It was a mistake. Pure and simple. And like I said, they will post something about it when they have prepared something. They are nice guys at ccp you know. They are not out to get you. Except Wrangler... shakes fist... Edit: See? Here is the official comment on this. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Culmen	Posted - 2006.06.21 17:18:00 - [28] you know for a second there, i thought you said they nerfed cloaking devices /me heads back to his cov-ops --------------------- Carebear, Until i get my missile skill training done
Angry Alt	Posted - 2006.06.21 17:21:00 - [29] Originally by: Malfesa Longoten whine moan blah blah blah CCP's Ultra Secret Coverup and Stealth Nerf Campaign Now, open mouth, insert foot and kindly shut it. You had to wait a WHOLE day for a response

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