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Savoian
Organized-Chaos
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2014.06.26 13:15:00 -
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I have a question for all those out there make plasmonic metamaterials: why you guys doing that?
At current material prices, making plasmonic metamaterials means a loss of about 2-2,5 mil isk /hour.
This means that if you sold the materials needed for 24h of that reaction, at the end of the day you would be 50mil isk richer than by selling the metamaterial coming out of that reaction.
And this without considering POS fuel, which adds another 500k isk /hour to the bill.
To a situation like this a healthy market should react by decreasing/stopping production until the price rises again to a profitable level.
So, coming to the initial question: why you guys doing that?
Are you simply bad at math or have too much isk to bother?
Sav |
ChromeStriker
0ne Percent.
Odin's Call
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Posted - 2014.06.26 14:10:00 -
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Market manipulation? Stockpile when cheep and then sell at a price that others cant match, effectively taking control of the market...? just a thought
No Worries |
Savoian
Organized-Chaos
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2014.06.26 15:17:00 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:Market manipulation? Stockpile when cheep and then sell at a price that others cant match, effectively taking control of the market...? just a thought
If you want to speculate then you buy it off the market, you do not manufacture it.
The reason of the question is exactly that, I have stockpiled a few billions of it, as it is damn cheap and logically people should have reduced production and price should have risen.
That did not happen and is not happening. So I wonder, why do people keep manufacturing it at un unprofitable price level? |
De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies
The Unthinkables
2381
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Posted - 2014.06.26 15:43:00 -
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Savoian wrote:
So, coming to the initial question: why you guys doing that?
Are you simply bad at math or have too much isk to bother?
Sav
Could be a combination of the "materials I get on my own are free" syndrome combined with being too lazy to change an established process for something else, too.
GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ does not mean that you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you can attempt anything you want to succeed at. One of the largest obstacles in the way of your success is other players.
Schr+¦dinger's Hotdropper |
Throne of Games
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.06.26 16:04:00 -
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Do you know how pain staking it is to rework the infrastructure for 30 PI alts? =/ |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
2274
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Posted - 2014.06.26 16:35:00 -
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Throne of Games wrote:Do you know how pain staking it is to rework the infrastructure for 30 PI alts? =/
This has an effect on moon mining reactions how? |
Ereshgikal
Pigs and Sows
31
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Posted - 2014.06.26 16:50:00 -
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People often assume miners are unaware of opportunity cost. Why should reaction farmers be any different? :)
Don't expect common sense to be guiding the market since it is not so...ehm, common as one would hope. |
Throne of Games
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.06.26 17:19:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Throne of Games wrote:Do you know how pain staking it is to rework the infrastructure for 30 PI alts? =/ This has an effect on moon mining reactions how?
Because setting up 90 pos's is more annoying >.> |
Sid Uitra
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.06.26 17:45:00 -
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Two large towers in sov space, making plasmonic metamaterials will make about 600m isk profit a month. Maybe the bad math is yours  |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
3793
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Posted - 2014.06.26 19:26:00 -
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Savoian wrote:I have a question for all those out there make plasmonic metamaterials: why you guys doing that?
Because there are markets other than Jita? |
Savoian
Organized-Chaos
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2014.06.26 20:58:00 -
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Sid Uitra wrote:Two large towers in sov space, making plasmonic metamaterials will make about 600m isk profit a month. Maybe the bad math is yours
Indeed there was a claculation mistake in my math, profit is about 700k /hour without considering fuel cost.
With fuel cost in sov space you make about 200k isk per hour, or 140mil /month.
So you might want to check your math as well
Sav |
Savoian
Organized-Chaos
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2014.06.26 20:58:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Savoian wrote:I have a question for all those out there make plasmonic metamaterials: why you guys doing that? Because there are markets other than Jita?
... and no, for reaction materials there are no markets other than Jita. |
Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
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Posted - 2014.06.26 21:11:00 -
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so much easier than bring the lower crap to the market.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
3793
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Posted - 2014.06.26 22:25:00 -
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Savoian wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Savoian wrote:I have a question for all those out there make plasmonic metamaterials: why you guys doing that? Because there are markets other than Jita? ... and no, for reaction materials there are no markets other than Jita.
Though of course it varies, I have found awesome deals in Amarr and Tash-Murkon Prime. I suspect because of their close proximity to major hisec entry-points. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
2108
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Posted - 2014.06.26 22:25:00 -
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Savoian wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Savoian wrote:I have a question for all those out there make plasmonic metamaterials: why you guys doing that? Because there are markets other than Jita? ... and no, for reaction materials there are no markets other than Jita.
Umm. I beg to differ. I very rarely source from Jita for my production lines. Very rarely. |
SCLZ
New Eden Shipyards
3
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Posted - 2014.06.27 22:45:00 -
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Lady Rift wrote:so much easier than bring the lower crap to the market.
Never done any reactions myself but this would have been my guess, I have no idea how active the market is for the reaction stuff - are the metamaterials easier to market and sell with a much wider consumer base?
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Zero Sum Gain
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM
Silent Requiem
36
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Posted - 2014.06.28 05:34:00 -
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Who cares why? I'm guessing you're caring because you made a profit that's not there now and wish other people would stop for the same reason so your profit would return but its not happening. Quit trying to control things and just make more isk than them. |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland
Test Alliance Please Ignore
726
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Posted - 2014.07.01 20:13:00 -
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- Buy Plasmonic Metamaterials in bulk.
- Reprocess at 100%.
- Sell ingredients.
- Profit
GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥
-Grath Telkin, 2014. |
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
92
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Posted - 2014.07.02 13:40:00 -
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Lady Rift wrote:so much easier than bring the lower crap to the market.
This is the main reason and most of them harvest the raw materials by themselfs as their POSs are on the corresponding moons anyway! |
Li Quiao
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
47
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:43:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:
- Buy Plasmonic Metamaterials in bulk.
- Reprocess at 100%.
- Sell ingredients.
- Profit
And if you could recycle Moon Processing materials, that would work really well. |
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