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Tuvar Hiede Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.06.27 10:58:00 - [1] - Quote There was always a lot of people leaning toward shields over armor, I've just returned and seen armor got a little love but people seem to still favor Shield. Why is that? I know in the past it had a lot to do with the ability to align a fleet and warp since there wasn't added mass from buffer fits. Also passive regen was nice to have since you didn't need someone to rep you or dock with passive fits. I can still see this for roams, but what about Incursions where you have logistics in fleet?
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 1978	Posted - 2014.06.27 11:03:00 - [2] - Quote With shield you have all lows for damage increase/projection. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Tuvar Hiede Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.06.27 11:35:00 - [3] - Quote With the extra slots and diminishing returns it seems like minimal at best though.
l0rd carlos Friends Of Harassment The Camel Empire 959	Posted - 2014.06.27 11:39:00 - [4] - Quote Schmata Bastanold wrote: With shield you have all lows for damage increase/projection. Everything after 4 damage mods is not worth it. So if you fly something like a Dominix that you can armor tank and still have 4 Damage mods, it's better to have an armor tank. And increased damage projection is better with active midslots module, like Tracking Computer, Targetpainters, Webs, Omnis. Also other goodies like MDJ, MWD/AB and cap injector. It more or less boils down to what ship you like to fly. It's not so straight forward like it was 2 years ago, but old habits die hard. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com
Caleidascope Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 516	Posted - 2014.06.27 12:41:00 - [5] - Quote For pve shield is usually better. For pvp armor is usually better, but not always. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first!
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 2033	Posted - 2014.06.27 13:00:00 - [6] - Quote Tuvar Hiede wrote: There was always a lot of people leaning toward shields over armor, I've just returned and seen armor got a little love but people seem to still favor Shield. Why is that? it depends on where you look. missioning in amarr space for example is best done with armor tanked ships because of more favorable resist profiles. also, since the tracking enhancer nerf, tracking comps are almost always the better choice (and missioners reacted by armor tanking their machariels for example). in contrast to that, armor tanking your capitals gives you the advantage of the slave implant set, which has no shield equivalent. Quote: I know in the past it had a lot to do with the ability to align a fleet and warp since there wasn't added mass from buffer fits. Also passive regen was nice to have since you didn't need someone to rep you or dock with passive fits. I can still see this for roams, but what about Incursions where you have logistics in fleet? shield logis have an easier job because shield reps are applied at the beginning of the cycle, in contrast to armor reps. alternatively, you can reduce the buffer on your dps ships in favor of sensor boosters, webs, tracking comps etc. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 883	Posted - 2014.06.27 14:27:00 - [7] - Quote Scenario and ship dependant. Facing lots of NOS you need to passive tank which means a shield tank. Ships with split weapons like the new rattler have very few lows so need to shield tank. Ships with lots of lows that snipe are better with armor tank. etc etc
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 1984	Posted - 2014.06.27 14:38:00 - [8] - Quote l0rd carlos wrote: Schmata Bastanold wrote: With shield you have all lows for damage increase/projection. Everything after 4 damage mods is not worth it. Gee thanks, I almost undocked my mach with lows full of gyros I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Caleidascope Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 516	Posted - 2014.06.27 14:56:00 - [9] - Quote Hasikan Miallok wrote: Ships with lots of lows that snipe are better with armor tank. Is that pvp or pve? In pve I use shield because only caldari can really hurt you when you are sniping from 140-200 km away. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first!
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 3794	Posted - 2014.06.27 19:03:00 - [10] - Quote Important for incursions: * Doing the most damage possible (low slots = damage enhancements). * Quickly responding to repair broadcasts (shield repairs at the start of a cycle). * Having efficient remote repairs (shield fits tend to have higher resists and lower HP than armor = similar EHP).

IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 960	Posted - 2014.06.27 20:45:00 - [11] - Quote Hasikan Miallok wrote: Facing lots of NOS you need to passive tank which means a shield tank. Huh? I'm guessing you're referring to ancillary shield boosters. True they don't need cap but when your invulns shut off from lack of cap it won't be good. Buffer armor tank will have no issues with cap. Unlike an invulnerability field the EANM isn't effected by lack of cap.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 2115	Posted - 2014.06.27 21:10:00 - [12] - Quote IIshira wrote: Hasikan Miallok wrote: Facing lots of NOS you need to passive tank which means a shield tank. Huh? I'm guessing you're referring to ancillary shield boosters. True they don't need cap but when your invulns shut off from lack of cap it won't be good. Buffer armor tank will have no issues with cap. Unlike an invulnerability field the EANM isn't effected by lack of cap. No, I think he's talking about a pure passive tank. Resistance amps, SPRs, the usual. Not that those are in vogue these days what with no room for damage or application. There is a place for them though; see Serpentis Logistical Outpost Ishtars for example.
Ireland VonVicious Vicious Trading Company 319	Posted - 2014.06.28 01:03:00 - [13] - Quote It's easier to build working shield fits across all races ships compared to armor. Not every ship can do it well but atleast one per class for all the T1's. Armor is mainly used in null sec and worm holes for cap fights.
Tuvar Hiede Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.06.28 02:24:00 - [14] - Quote Good discussion, sounds like there still needs to be some Armor improvements due to how the fittings work. As far as low slots on armor go I see most fits have one 1600 and 1 maybe 2 hardeners or EANM, with 7 lows that leaves 4-5 to add Dmg mods and allows you to tinker with your mids. The armor repper is a good point but a solid logistic pilot would be able to handle it I believe, especially in a well fit Logistics ship with enough targeting to lock his entire group.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 883	Posted - 2014.06.28 06:45:00 - [15] - Quote Tuvar Hiede wrote: Good discussion, sounds like there still needs to be some Armor improvements due to how the fittings work. As far as low slots on armor go I see most fits have one 1600 and 1 maybe 2 hardeners or EANM, with 7 lows that leaves 4-5 to add Dmg mods and allows you to tinker with your mids. The armor repper is a good point but a solid logistic pilot would be able to handle it I believe, especially in a well fit Logistics ship with enough targeting to lock his entire group. For PvP possibly - for PvE you are never going to see the 1600, just DCU II, possibly an RAH, LARII and then EANM or mission hardeners.
James Baboli Ferrous Infernum 42	Posted - 2014.06.30 11:08:00 - [16] - Quote Hasikan Miallok wrote: Tuvar Hiede wrote: Good discussion, sounds like there still needs to be some Armor improvements due to how the fittings work. As far as low slots on armor go I see most fits have one 1600 and 1 maybe 2 hardeners or EANM, with 7 lows that leaves 4-5 to add Dmg mods and allows you to tinker with your mids. The armor repper is a good point but a solid logistic pilot would be able to handle it I believe, especially in a well fit Logistics ship with enough targeting to lock his entire group. For PvP possibly - for PvE you are never going to see the 1600, just DCU II, possibly an RAH, LARII and then EANM or mission hardeners. I see 1600s in PVE every day. Every time I look at unshiny+unslaved armor incursion fits from the fanatically conservative TDF. That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did.


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