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Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2006.06.23 12:17:00 - [1] How come Battleships can run almost 2 LAR sustainable with Hardners and a Cruiser is struggling with sustaining only 1 MAR without Hardners? Same goes for Shield, Battleships can easily have a Large Shield Booster running for ages, while a Medium Shield Booster on a Cruiser can not. The Large Shield Booster should be for the Cruiser as the XLarge Shield Booster is for the Battleship, and the Medium Shield Booster should be for the Cruiser as the Large Shield Booster is for the Battleship. Am I the only one that feels that way? 13 -_-
pshepherd	Posted - 2006.06.23 12:51:00 - [2] battleships are bigger, duh?
PriceCheckMax	Posted - 2006.06.23 12:52:00 - [3] Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 23/06/2006 12:53:47 Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 23/06/2006 12:52:27 Cap recharge of BS with skills, without cap mods is around 20 cap / s at peak, or am I wrong? 1 LAR takes 400 cap in 11.25 seconds... and.. ??? What am I missing here?
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:02:00 - [4] Originally by: PriceCheckMax Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 23/06/2006 12:53:47 Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 23/06/2006 12:52:27 Cap recharge of BS with skills, without cap mods is around 20 cap / s at peak, or am I wrong? 1 LAR takes 400 cap in 11.25 seconds... and.. ??? What am I missing here? A Battleship can sustain a LAR, a Cruiser can not sustain a MAR without using most of its slots for cap. 13 -_-
Awox	Posted - 2006.06.23 13:48:00 - [5] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock How come Battleships can run almost 2 LAR sustainable with Hardners and a Cruiser is struggling with sustaining only 1 MAR without Hardners? Same goes for Shield, Battleships can easily have a Large Shield Booster running for ages, while a Medium Shield Booster on a Cruiser can not. The Large Shield Booster should be for the Cruiser as the XLarge Shield Booster is for the Battleship, and the Medium Shield Booster should be for the Cruiser as the Large Shield Booster is for the Battleship. Am I the only one that feels that way? Yeah it would be nice if I could sustain my rep for ever, but I prefer to swiftly kill so it doesn't matter. :P
gfldex	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:08:00 - [6] Some numbers here, all with maxed cap skills and repair system at 5. Omen: 3x Cap relays (nearly stable with 2) Maller: 2x Cap relays Thorax: 2x Cap relays Rupture: 1x Large Peroxyd (not that much PG left for fittings) As soon as you activate guns you will need a nos or it's all over. I still wonder why nearly all tec 1 ships suck by default. -- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill\|lost my ship\|gank\|gate camp\|Verone/;'
Baalic	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:23:00 - [7] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock A Battleship can sustain a LAR WTB LAR that only uses 20 cap/s
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2006.06.23 17:42:00 - [8] Originally by: Baalic Originally by: Admiral IceBlock A Battleship can sustain a LAR WTB LAR that only uses 20 cap/s My Apocalypse can sustain 2 LAR, 3 Hardners and 1 Damage Control with 5 Cap modules. Now a Cruiser will have to sacrifice a lot to be able to run 2 MAR and even 1 MAR. Why do you think most Cruiser tanks consist of a 1600mm Plate? Because Cruisers are not capable of getting a sustainable Repairing system, so they chose plates instead.. 13 -_-
Baalic	Posted - 2006.06.23 17:50:00 - [9] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock My Apocalypse can sustain 2 LAR, 3 Hardners and 1 Damage Control with 5 Cap modules. Now a Cruiser will have to sacrifice a lot to be able to run 2 MAR and even 1 MAR. Isnt using 5 modules for cap sacrificing a lot?
Bob Niac	Posted - 2006.06.23 18:03:00 - [10] LAR is what? large anal - rententive? ICSC Sales Forum

Cruz	Posted - 2006.06.23 18:07:00 - [11] The problem is tanking in general is fubared :/ --------------------------- For the glory of the empire!
gfldex	Posted - 2006.06.23 18:17:00 - [12] Originally by: Baalic WTB LAR that only uses 20 cap/s With Amarr BS at 4 it lasts 5 minutes. Not sure about lvl 5. With one cap mod it's stable with BS lvl5. -- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill\|lost my ship\|gank\|gate camp\|Verone/;'
Mr Bondy	Posted - 2006.06.23 18:18:00 - [13] Originally by: Bob Niac LAR is what? large anal - rententive? Large Armour Rep
Baalic	Posted - 2006.06.23 18:32:00 - [14] Originally by: gfldex Originally by: Baalic WTB LAR that only uses 20 cap/s With Amarr BS at 4 it lasts 5 minutes. Not sure about lvl 5. With one cap mod it's stable with BS lvl5. ...until you activate your lasers. Back to the point of the thread: Arent battleships designed to be able to have a sustainable tank, whereas cruisers are mainly to destroy other cruisers and smaller ships, not tank fixed installations? Where is the problem?
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2006.06.23 20:02:00 - [15] Originally by: Baalic Originally by: gfldex Originally by: Baalic WTB LAR that only uses 20 cap/s With Amarr BS at 4 it lasts 5 minutes. Not sure about lvl 5. With one cap mod it's stable with BS lvl5. ...until you activate your lasers. Back to the point of the thread: Arent battleships designed to be able to have a sustainable tank, whereas cruisers are mainly to destroy other cruisers and smaller ships, not tank fixed installations? Where is the problem? By your logic the same could be said about battleships, they are there mainly to destroy other battleships and smaller ships? But battleships can tank. Cruisers should also be able to tank eachother, tanking is not only for cruisers you know. 13 -_-
madaluap	Posted - 2006.06.23 20:25:00 - [16] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Originally by: Baalic Originally by: gfldex Originally by: Baalic WTB LAR that only uses 20 cap/s With Amarr BS at 4 it lasts 5 minutes. Not sure about lvl 5. With one cap mod it's stable with BS lvl5. ...until you activate your lasers. Back to the point of the thread: Arent battleships designed to be able to have a sustainable tank, whereas cruisers are mainly to destroy other cruisers and smaller ships, not tank fixed installations? Where is the problem? By your logic the same could be said about battleships, they are there mainly to destroy other battleships and smaller ships? But battleships can tank. Cruisers should also be able to tank eachother, tanking is not only for cruisers you know. Yeh i agree 100%, with 2 capmods gun+rep+rest(hardeners,scram,web) should run on a cruiser. not 2 capmods for just the repairpower. _________________________________________________
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2006.06.23 23:43:00 - [17] what does sir tuxford say about this? :P 13 -_-
Arthur McFredric	Posted - 2006.06.24 00:35:00 - [18] Originally by: Mr Bondy Originally by: Bob Niac LAR is what? large anal - rententive? Large Armour Rep Large Amour Rep?
Dahak2150	Posted - 2006.06.24 01:56:00 - [19] Originally by: Arthur McFredric Originally by: Mr Bondy Originally by: Bob Niac LAR is what? large anal - rententive? Large Armour Rep Large Amour Rep? That darn non-American spelling.
Baalic	Posted - 2006.06.24 02:25:00 - [20] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock By your logic the same could be said about battleships, they are there mainly to destroy other battleships and smaller ships? But battleships can tank. Not really. Battleships are designed to be the mainstay of the fleet. To take damage as well as dish it out. A ship that can dish out substantial damage to capital ships and installations as well as pick off medium sized ships. The mighty Armageddon class is the main warship of the Amarr Empire. Its heavy armaments and strong front are specially designed to crash into any battle like a juggernaut... They are supposed to have trouble with frigs and intys so they need a cruiser escort to effectively deal with that threat.

Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2006.06.24 12:49:00 - [21] Originally by: Baalic Originally by: Admiral IceBlock By your logic the same could be said about battleships, they are there mainly to destroy other battleships and smaller ships? But battleships can tank. Not really. Battleships are designed to be the mainstay of the fleet. To take damage as well as dish it out. A ship that can dish out substantial damage to capital ships and installations as well as pick off medium sized ships. The mighty Armageddon class is the main warship of the Amarr Empire. Its heavy armaments and strong front are specially designed to crash into any battle like a juggernaut... They are supposed to have trouble with frigs and intys so they need a cruiser escort to effectively deal with that threat. And? Since Cruisers are not juggernauts they should not be able to tank? 13 -_-


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