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Still Hart
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Posted - 2006.06.23 18:44:00 -
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I'm looking to train up my new industrial alt to tank 0.0 spawns for mining ops. Which battleship is the best for setting up a passive tank for 0.0? Which will also be able to mine a bit if I'm bored? Can I do this with a BC so I can get mining link going at the same time?
Any help with suggested fittings would be great! TIA!
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.23 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: HippoKing on 23/06/2006 18:47:02
Do you defintely want passive shield, or will sustainable work too?
edit: further to that, Scorp is the probably best passive tanking BS. Apoc is the best for sustainable tanking. I also reckon a ferox could run a mining link and enough of a passive tank to deal with a small 0.0 spawn/
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Spektral
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Posted - 2006.06.23 18:47:00 -
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Why passive?
An armor tanked Apoc/Domi with some basic kit will tank almost anything short of an officer spawn. And both setups are cheap as chips besides the ships
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Still Hart
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Posted - 2006.06.23 18:50:00 -
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Ahh, you're right I suppose. A passive tank isn't necessary as long as it's sustainable. One thing to keep in mind is that I want to skill this guy up as an industrialist so the less time I spend training tanking skills, the better.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.23 18:53:00 -
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Get him in an apoc.
Cap chargers in all mids, standard armor tank in lows (with plenty of CPRs).
Maybe fit a couple of CPUs and fit a rack on miners in highs to increase the VPS of the op.
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Still Hart
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:08:00 -
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What about a Domi or Mega? I've seen people tank in a Mega and mine at the same time. And I know Domi's have sick tanks in general. Or is an apoc straight up the best?
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:26:00 -
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As far as sustainable tanks go, apoc wins hands down.
Domi could probably manage too, not sure about thron.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:28:00 -
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Go with a Domi.
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:35:00 -
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Had this same dilemma when I first started EVE; wanted a mining Battleship build asap.
I ended up going w/ the Dominix b/c I can use it as a fighting ship just as easily as a mining BS w/out having to skill tons of points into Gunnery (NOS Domi).
My mining build is something along the lines of:
Highs:
6x Miner2s/MDCM2s
Mids:
4-5 Cap Chargers, if 4 chargers used, an AB/MWD in last slot
Lows:
LAR (t2 if you have the skills)
3x Hardeners
2x Cap Relays
Your last low slot can either be another hardener, 1600mm plate, or another repper. This base build listed here w/ decent energy skills will run indefinitely and normalize the cap at about 50-55%. You can fit a Lg/Med rep combo, run the Lg full time, and engage the Med for burst dmg if you have to, and have plenty of cap to work with.
Apocs are also good mining ships, but in order to fit the 8 Miners you'd need to make it a 'better' mining ship than the Domi, you'd have to sacrifice some of the lowslots to CPU upgrades, which is going to take away some of your tankinga ability. Also consider that a Dominix can fit 375 m3 worth of drones in it's dronebay, allowing you to defend yourself quite well vs belt rats or PvP aggression, whereas the Apoc would not be able to do that quite as well.
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DubanFP
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Posted - 2006.06.23 19:35:00 -
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Funny enough, i did the math and generally the Ferox makes a better passive tank then the scorpion "shield regen wise anyways"
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:01:00 -
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Assuming you pick either domi or apoc, a domi would be cheaper and easier to train for as far as I can see, as there's no need for co-pro's or named stuff to make it fit if you have decen't fitting skills (electro 4-5).
You'd get 33% (or 25%? I suck at math ;s) more mins from the lasers on the apoc tho.
This was what I used for testing in QF (electronics 5, cap skills at 5/5):
domi;
6 miner ii's
cap recharger i's
large armor rep i, 4 t1 hardeners, cap relays
^ cap is at 50-60%
apoc;
8 miner ii's
eut cap rechargers
large accommo rep, 3 n-type hardeners, 3 co-pro ii's
^ cap is at 40-55% with amarr bs 2
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steveid
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:10:00 -
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if its truly a passive tank you want you could probably go domi with 3 extenders and two racial hardners in the mids, shield power relays in the lows. That'll tank most spawns.
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xenodia
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Still Hart
I'm looking to train up my new industrial alt to tank 0.0 spawns for mining ops. Which battleship is the best for setting up a passive tank for 0.0? Which will also be able to mine a bit if I'm bored? Can I do this with a BC so I can get mining link going at the same time?
Any help with suggested fittings would be great! TIA!
While not passive, a domi makes a very nice sustainable tank. And the drones are more than capable of handling pretty much any spawn youre likely to encounter, even in 0.0. With even basic engineering/mechanic skills you can sustain a tank that is very resilient.
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xenodia
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
As far as sustainable tanks go, apoc wins hands down.
Domi could probably manage too, not sure about thron.
I prefer domi over megathron for tanking, especially if you plan to sustain it for a while.
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Alzion
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:26:00 -
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Apoc can infinetly tank 0.0 spawns while mining with 8 lasers.
Requires good cap skills though.
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Still Hart
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Posted - 2006.06.23 20:56:00 -
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Sounds like the Domi is "easier" to fit well for an easily sustainable 0.0 tank. Certainly cheaper, by looking at those Eutetic cap chargers on the Apoc. Also looks like the Domi gives some defense from pirates with the drone capability.
Seems like the question comes down to:
Apoc does a great tank and mines REALLY well.
Domi does a great tank and mines okay but has offense by way of drones.
I may train the Domi up and see how it goes. Thanks for all the input! Feel free to toss about any more ideas that come to mind or correct me if I'm wrong!
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Baalic
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Posted - 2006.06.23 22:02:00 -
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The ultimate passive tank is the Vulture.
EM hardener II, Invul II x2, Lg Extender II x3
Shield Relay x4
That will tank around 450/600/800/1200 DPS of EM/Explosive/Kinetic/Thermal or 650 of mixed DPS.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.06.23 22:05:00 -
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Hmm, the Dominix isn't exactly "easily sustainable". The Apoc can do a good tank with low-grade named while the Dominix needs high-grade (eutetics or T2 cap recharges, f.ex.)
Both are good, but it's a bit dependent on what NPCs you'll be shooting.
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Still Hart
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Posted - 2006.06.23 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Baalic
The ultimate passive tank is the Vulture.
I guess you didn't bother reading my original post. 111 days to get into a command ship isn't exactly what I'm looking for right now. 7 days to get into a Domi or Apoc is more like it.
Originally by: Ithildin
Both are good, but it's a bit dependent on what NPCs you'll be shooting.
I don't plan on shooting anyone. I plan on tanking a spawn so my miners can mine. Just looking for which needs less support skills to tank a 0.0 spawn. I guess I'll have to experiment in QF since I'm getting conflicting info on the Domi and Apoc.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.06.23 22:27:00 -
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Oh. Right. Sorry. Apoc. Hands down. Apoc. Can't get a good tank out of a Dominix without high-grade stuff and lots of cap skills. You don't want to shoot the spawn anyways, so the drone bay with combat drones are a bit of a waste. Also, if players give you a bother it won't be anything an Apoc's drone bay can't handle OR you'd be dead anyway - just drop everything and warp to safe AS SOON as enemies enter local.
If you wish to experiment, but don't want to risk the ship, go to test server (aka SiSi or Singularity). Just change connection adress on login.
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Lorette
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Posted - 2006.06.24 00:36:00 -
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Edited by: Lorette on 24/06/2006 00:37:09
My Domi can run 3x hardners and 1x LAR2 with about 64% cap still left right after the LAR fires (ie minimum). So AFk'ing most spawns should be easy even with 15% CR's.
Plus you get the added benefit of a large drone hold, pull in the mining drones and chuck out the light/medium/heavy drones depending on the situation.
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FraXy
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Posted - 2006.06.24 00:43:00 -
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I belive a Ferox even with low skills should be able to passivetank any non-Sansha/Blood spawn with low skills with ease.
[Highs] - 7x Whatever
[Mids] - 3x Large Shield Extenders (Best u can get), 2x NPC* specific hardeners
[Lows] - 2x Shield Power Relays, 2x Power Diagnostic Units
NPC specific hardeners for the tank:
Gurista/Serpentis = Kinetic and Thermal
Angels = Kinetic and Invulnerability/Explosive
Sansha/Blood = 2 EM, 1 Thermal and fit 2 Extenders instead of 3
None of this is tested, but i trust my Ferox whole heartily (FYI, is it heart or hearth?)
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Jennie moo
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Posted - 2006.06.24 00:54:00 -
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Just buy a Hulk job done
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FraXy
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Posted - 2006.06.24 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jennie moo
Just buy a Hulk job done
Or train for a Carrier and tank any 0.0 spawn + a smaller (30 t2 frigate) roaming gang or whatever... 
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Baalic
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Posted - 2006.06.24 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Still Hart
Originally by: Baalic
The ultimate passive tank is the Vulture.
I guess you didn't bother reading my original post.
Actually I did, but the title of the thread got me wondering what the best passive tank is. The thread turned out to be something else, so I did the math. I thought I'd share.
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Cadiz
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Posted - 2006.06.24 04:58:00 -
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Wasn't Pottsey's original development of the passive shield tank done on a Dominix?
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2006.06.24 09:27:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 24/06/2006 09:28:17
ôWasn't Pottsey's original development of the passive shield tank done on a Dominix?ö
Not quite. Read http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=679&tid=5&sid=634062500 for my story.
For those that donÆt want to read. Passive shield tanking started on the Iteron line of cargo ships. It took a long time to figure out how the passive shields worked and it didnÆt help almost everyone thought I was crazy and wrong.
The only reason I ever bought a battleship or got the skill was to test and further research passive shield tanking on battleships. My Domi was the first propose built passive shield tanked war ship that worked as far as I know and in fact the original ship even though its an old warhorse is still in active flight today.
It was around about a month or two after I got my Domi that people started to believe me. As I recall it wasnÆt until I had friendly PvP matchÆs outside my corp and a match against a Raven which couldnÆt break my tank that did it. Soon after Battlecruisers and later Command ships came out everything just snowballed from there.
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