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Samuel Triptee
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.07.01 16:44:00 -
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The first time you loose a ship it's a huge surprise, the warning sounds, the inability to see your enemy, not knowing what is happening, and the sinking realization that you've lost both time and ISK... 
EVE has a reputation for being harsh, cold, and difficult. This reputation stems from the mechanics of the game and the players themselves. The game mechanics are what they are, but the players... ahhh yes, the players. If you believe the reputation and rumors, you probably would assume EVE players to be a very rude bunch.... This is not true.
As a new player you're still enjoying the beauty and novelty of the giant sandbox. Older capsuleers also enjoy the same things, but we've seen more, done more, and have even more stuff we like doing in the game. The vast majority of experienced capsuleers are very friendly, helpful, and generous. Most will talk your ear off about the game if you give them a chance.
OK..., but what about getting your ship back?
Try this...
First -
Right after you've lost your ship type the letters GF in the local chat window.
It means "Good Fight" and is the capsuleer's way of shaking hands at the end of the battle. It shows appreciation to the competitor(s) for providing you a contest.
Second -
Ask a couple of questions about the fight (you may want to do this in a private chat)...
"How did you know to engage in a fight with me?"
"Is there anything I could have done to win the fight or escape?"
Third -
Ask a couple questions about their corp or alliance...
"Did you learn PvP from your corp mates?"
"Is your corp recruiting?"
The idea is to engage as a fellow EVE player trying to do it better.
Have you noticed I didn't say to ask for your ship to be reimbursed or replaced? Let the other player do it on their own initiative. If they don't offer up any assistance in ISK, or materials, simply say "Thanks for the chat, see you around, and by the way if I have more questions may I contact you?". Then save them as a contact.
In the long run the advice and information you get may be worth many times the value of your ship. However, when most older players see someone trying to improve, they will go out of their way to help. There is great passion within the EVE community and the capsuleers I've met want to share it, especially with new players.
Now... here are some DO NOTS
Do not demand anything from your competitor.
Do not ask for anything more than information.
Do not forget to put GF in local.
Do not forget this is a game.
That about does it. I'm sure more of the regulars here will add. I'm looking forward to reading it all.
Have fun, fly dangerously!
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De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies
The Unthinkables
2432
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Posted - 2014.07.01 16:49:00 -
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I'll add one more do not.
Do not rage in local. No matter how frustrated, angry, or sad you are, do not rage in game where someone else can copy it - because they will. And they will pass that along to their buddies who will come looking for you to extract their cuppa tears.
MAMBA is recruiting. -áWhen other folks are whining about a lack of content, we go out and create it.
The case of Shrodinger's Hotdropper |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19432
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Posted - 2014.07.01 18:56:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:I'll add one more do not.
Do not rage in local. No matter how frustrated, angry, or sad you are, do not rage in game where someone else can copy it - because they will. And they will pass that along to their buddies who will come looking for you to extract their cuppa tears. Don't rage via private message or EveMail either, for the same reasons.
Raging in local, or otherwise is known as tears; tears are, after trust, one of the most valuable commodities in Eve. People collect, collate and publish tears on the internet for the amusement of the rest of us. They may also hunt you down as above to collect more.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4082
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Posted - 2014.07.01 20:56:00 -
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If you loose your ship...use loctite or more duct-tape.
If you lose your ship, read the OP.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with.
Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
3199
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Posted - 2014.07.02 01:20:00 -
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One more thing. Assuming you aren't in a warp disruption bubble, get your pod out first, before typing GF.
But yeah, I'll definitely help someone who has an attitude like this afterward. The help is more likely to be advice than ISK.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content.
www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
892
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Posted - 2014.07.02 07:55:00 -
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Nothing much to add to my corpmate's excellent advice.
Except that, if you want to significantly improve your chances of getting some ISK out of it, you could use some social engineering. 
For example congratulating the guy on his PVP prowess, while portraying yourself as a helpless noob:
'Man, that was so quick! You annihilated me!'
'I didn't even see you coming! I'll never be able to do that myself!'
'I don't know how you guys manage to be so good at this game! I can't even remember how to orbit.'
'I wish I could fly a cool ship like yours some day.'
Or, leveraging PVPer's disdain of carebears:
'My corpmates told me I should never go to lowsec, but I wanted to try anyway.'
'Everybody says PVP is so scary, I think it's fun even if I always die!'
'Hmm maybe I shouldn't have followed my CEO's advice on how to fit my ship. He only ever mines and does missions in highsec.'
And if all else fails, there's always the nuclear bomb:
'Yeah, maybe this game is just too harsh for a girl'.
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Durbon Groth
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2014.07.02 12:42:00 -
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Also don't expect your ship, or anything back.
I mean it's nice if someone replaces your ship beecause you're new but there's nothing to say they should, being a nice person just increases your odds slightly. |
Samuel Triptee
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
32
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Posted - 2014.07.02 13:22:00 -
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I'll link to this thread as proof that Random Acts of Kindness do happen in EVE. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5376
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Posted - 2014.07.03 05:55:00 -
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To be honest, the first time you lose a ship it's going to be a minimal loss. Couple of thousand ISKies at the most.
Don't get all weepy about it, but also don't kiss ass to try and get it back. Just accept it for what it is. A lesson. One of many you will receive over the course of your career.
The biggest problem new players have is getting used to the fact that their ship is lost as soon as they buy/build it. It's just a matter of how long before it happens. Take that simple concept to heart and you'll never mourn the loss of a ship and get angry because of the ISK loss.
Getting angry at yourself for doing something dumb to cause the loss is perfectly acceptable, though. That's just human nature.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
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