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Jubeli
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Posted - 2003.09.28 23:58:00 -
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Edited by: Jubeli on 29/09/2003 15:00:26
Edited by: Jubeli on 29/09/2003 09:34:10
Well nice to be famouse among known names as TTI, M3G4 and SPVD (Space Invaders).. Cruising CFS forum I see Jade posting list of NVA's members, NAPs and KOS.
What is JEDI doing on NVA KOS list?? We have not fought you, nor are we allies of TTI or any other corporation on NVA's KOS list.
Why is NVA so close to become what it fears most? Well because hatered blinds them which makes me personally sad because once I actually thought they were honest but seeing this only makes me sick..
D*mn we are at war with TTI allies, we fight against freedom from M3G4 in Lonetrek and yes we actually do honest commerce with some members of TTI who actually aren't even near Venal region or have been.
I hope that the more honest corporations in NVA, such as Occassus and Bladerunners look into their dealings with the less honest corporation in NVA and sort this out.
We hope this can be sorted our, somewhere a mistake must have been made and I for one would like to know what that might have been so we can put this behind us and continue focus on the important issue, a safe universe from pirates with more free trade.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.29 02:17:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 29/09/2003 02:18:55
Jubeli, you canÆt do ôhonest commerceö with Taggart members. By definition this is ôdishonestö, since Taggart is a supporter of Piracy and Pirate Empires. The money you help Taggart to make goes towards providing warships for the Pirates of the Northern Alliance. You help fund Piracy by your own admission; hence you are on the kill on sight list for the NVA.
If you want off the list, then break your ties with Taggart and stop indirectly funding the Pirate murderers who are paid to destroy NVA shipping.
This is a ôconsequenceö for an action. We hold you accountable for the decision you took by continuing to support Taggart by commercial interaction.
Insulting the principles of the NVA with pointless airy rhetoric is hardly going to make your case any better. Especially when you fully admit to dealing with Taggart members and thereby supporting the very piracy you end your statement by condemning.
Hypocrisy; pure Taggart-esq doublespeak, I have less respect for you than I do the pirates themselves à they are at least honest villains, whereas you hide your villainy beneath an illusionary veneer of respectability and hope we do not notice the bloodstains on your trading account.
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Mewoa
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Posted - 2003.09.29 05:43:00 -
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Edited by: Mewoa on 29/09/2003 05:48:25
So now the galaxy is bound by NVA law and policy is it? That's no way to make friends, and no way to get the rest of us to cooperate with your alliance. Neutral's in this conflict are just that neutral. You yourself claim to be a freedom fighter for democracy, yet in the same breath you threaten honest business. Should we not do business with you then? Wouldn't we be taking you side in this conflict if we did? If so we would no longer be neutral now would we?
Be careful Jade you may step on the wrong toes with an attitude like that.
Mewoa
Chief of Security &
Public Relations
Huff Technologies Inc.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.09.29 06:23:00 -
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With such great friends, who needs enemies?
Dear Jubeli, I'm afraid for convincing Jade you'll need to declare another war and show her some TTI corpses. Then you might have a chance to be taken off their lists.
This is not a hijack
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Jubeli
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Posted - 2003.09.29 09:34:00 -
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Edited by: Jubeli on 29/09/2003 09:39:33
I would like to hear the voice of someone else then Jade in this matter because to my knowledge she isn't the only one in NVA.
Also putting a corporation on a KOS list because they have bought and sold items to a corp doesn't really seem legit in any way. I would understand you if we had attacked members, fought openly with known pirate corps such as Space Invaders, M3G4 aso or open declared war aso with a NVA corp.
Jedi acknowledge that parts of TTI isn't as bad as Jade tries to tell us all, they actuall exist in other part of the galaxy and play the honest game of commerce. But then again that doesn't make it OK for them to ally themselves with pirates but in this case we do see it as joining with 'the enemy of my enemy' because NVA is their enemy and their tactics is understandable but we still don't support that part at all in any way.
My personal opinion is that Jade's personal vendetta against Ragnar and all other mega corps clouds her judgement and I don't think NVA is willing to put all corps that have sold items to TTI member on that list. But if that is a criteria to join the list why not make the corps form a line so you can register them on the KOS list.
Items we have in the market can be sold to anyone that wants it and we have no intension in stopping that, the market is free.
I look forward in solving this issue. But if Jedi has to stop buying or selling in the marked due to the risk that we have dealing with a TTI member then I don't think a solution will be met because we won't.. |
Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.09.29 11:40:00 -
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So the VA will place all corps that buy off TTI via the anonymous market system on their KOS list? That's a cute list then...
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Jubeli
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Posted - 2003.09.29 12:04:00 -
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I don't think that NVA are that stupid at all. But seems like they are greatly misinformed about dealing between Jedi and TTI. TTI have so many members that NVA have to put themselves on their own KOS list if they start looking into their market transactions.
My question regarding this claim is if you see us on TTI's MFC list or as reference on any official documents that say they have any sort of contract with Jedi? ..No you don't, because no such documents exist.
The claim that we should be business partners on a higher level then we are with any other honest tradesman is totally rumours and slander talk from people trying to hurt Jedi and I guess NVA fell for it.
We now hope NVA will see err they've made and take us from that KOS list. A small appology for not checking facts before listening to rumours would be appreciated also. |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.29 13:34:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 29/09/2003 13:35:02
Mewoa,
When Taggart declared war on the VA Council and hired pirates to do their bidding; the response of the newly formed NVA was to pledge opposition, homeland defence, and disruption of Taggart business and mining industries in empire space. Taggart is a vast shadow empire of fake companies, trading fronts, and individuals with many identities. Fighting such an organisation is difficult indeed, but bringing accountability home to those that chose to support Taggart by concrete material interaction (and I donÆt mean buying or selling things on the market) is a key war strategy.
And as for stepping on toes Mewoa; if I cared more about being loved than I did about doing the right thing, IÆd still be working with Taggart myself.
Lianhaun,
You are not far wrong. Jubeli claims to be anti-pirate; would be nice to see her produce some proof of these ôanti-pirate credentialsö. ItÆs ironic that for all her previously stated disparagement and hate for the Space Invaders à whats this? Two space invaders personalities come out of the woodwork to defend her.
Coincidence or sinister plot à you decide.
Indigo,
No.
Jubeli
Routine market sales are not why your corporation is on the list, and you know it. Taggart use many types of front company; some imaginary, some limited, some hidden and some in the form of puppet corps build on Taggart money. Some examples being; Akston Ventures, Corporate Intelligence, Defiant Armored Transport, Hammond Industries, Kiruya Mineral Extraction, Nikuno Starship Design, Q Labs, Tedotamo Tech, Weapons and Mineral Distribution (WMD) and Mulligan Defence.
Your corporation had long been flagged as a Taggart front; and your actions in supporting Taggart propaganda with lies and misinformation confirmed your role in the conflict.
I stress again. This has nothing to do with buying and selling in the market.
Love and peace
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.09.29 13:49:00 -
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Dear Jade,
I can assure your its pure coincidence. Yet its not up to me to show you why, but let me state that I'm not much loved by JEDI.
Surely you dont treat all your allies in this way?
Jubeli, next time it might be more tactical to message Jade, the NVA spokeswoman, in personal then to hang out the dirty laundry in public. I remember cleary that Jade is very reasonable in a conversation, and I'm sure you could have resolved this issue between you two.
Now unfortunatly you have to deal with PR.
This is not a hijack
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.29 13:53:00 -
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There will hopefully soon be a formal way for corporations and indiviuals to petition the NVA Council, and if it is deemed not to be spam (in your case it wouldn't be) then a vote will occur on your issue. Sadly technical issues have delayed this, but I would expect these to be resolved soon.
Until that point your position on the KOS list will be kept, as at the time you were placed on it the information presented was deemed to be sufficient by the NVA member corps. If you can present a strong enough case for being removed, then I am sure you will be. IN any case, the final decision rests with the NVA Council.
In any case, to the best of my knowledge, JEDI isn't considered a primary enemy by the majority of corp members and as such has not been actively hunted - I'm not even sure if your corporation has even been attacked despite being on the KOS list since the beginning of the war against the NA. Hopefully the issue will be resolved one way or the other soon as with the effective collapse of M3G4 operations against our enemies in Pure Blind and Empire Space will be stepped up.
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Jubeli
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Posted - 2003.09.29 14:17:00 -
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Jade
You claim JEDI to be one of TTI front companies? It would truly help usif you'd let us see your case and hear what sad rumours it has been based on. I can surely tell you that it is wrong. We also regret that facts never has been checked in this case. A decision to put a corporation on a KOS list should be checked. In the matter of attacks it is easily checked, in case of rumours maybe a question to the soucre could have avoided this.
Athule
I would love to be informed how I can place a petition in this matter and get rid of it. Please don't hesitate to contact me further in this matter. Either via EVE-mail or via [email protected]. Also we would appreciate if this contact was made by you or from a representative other then Jade. We are still troubled by her witch hunt of Ragnar.
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More background
Sure in the very beginning we by chance worked together with some TTI members in order to progress faster. We don't hide that we've worked with members of TTI, but I stress again. How many hasn't?
JEDI has never supported TTI actions in the VA, we only disliked your methods of slander more then their 'all for profit' way when siding up with pirates.
That we have members of the notorious pirate corporation Space Invaders agreeing with us in this matter is purely by chance.
I will ask for a official TTI statement to rectify this matter so that the universe can be told that JEDI isn't any sort of front or at all a part of TTI except that we have a mutual NAP that was forged in the early days. I truly hope this will make this matter go away and the request for an appology valid.
TTI is a company of individuals, JEDI is a company only for teamplayers that want to have fun and work for the benefits for the corporation. We have nothing, except the wish for profit, in common and that we do work together with other corps against threats for our future goals.
There is no record of JEDI members attacking NVA members. JEDI hasn't even never been near Venal Region for the last several weeks.
Looking forward solving this issue as soon as possible.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.09.29 14:22:00 -
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Good afternoon.
The NVA alliance confuses me, and im sure many people.
I always thought of the NVA as a honourable alliance.
Even though we were betrayed by an alliance member and i personally lost my ship/podd to his cowardly act.
Would i fight for them? yes.
Do i believe they fight the just war? yes.
Do i think they should be constantly on the forums defending themselves? NO.
Jade, my friend. dont fall for the many posts that try to slate your alliance, we know that many are untrue and only posted to try and discredit what you are doing.
You do not need to constantly defend what you are doing, as the majority of intelligent eve citizens take what pirates/TTI say with a pinch of salt.
Anyone whom fights paladins/m3g4 is friends of ours.
Maybe not my place to post my comments. But i usually say, what needs said, and ignore the possible consequences.
Take care.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.29 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 29/09/2003 14:42:15
Darth Solo,
Thank you for your support and comments. Sadly mÆdear as Public Relations rep for the NVA it is necessary to answer and refute the many questions and accusations raised. Some need personal attention. Here Jubeli, for example, is a case in point of a Taggart psyops assault by misdirection.
Take a moment to read what she has written;
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Why is NVA so close to become what it fears most? Well because hatered blinds them which makes me personally sad because once I actually thought they were honest but seeing this only makes me sick..
Remember that not two weeks ago Jubeli posted here an accusation that the NVA were pirates because an individual (not in the NVA) may or may not have attacked a ship of hers. We were given to understand the incident was pure fabrication bounded in JubeliÆs consistently pro Taggart language.
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I hope that the more honest corporations in NVA, such as Occassus and Bladerunners look into their dealings with the less honest corporation in NVA and sort this out.
She makes accusations and doesnÆt name names. Who are these ôdishonestö corporations? She just wishes to throw mud and hope some will stick. Ironic that Taggart maintain a declared war with Occassus, hmmm.
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My personal opinion is that Jade's personal vendetta against Ragnar and all other mega corps clouds her judgement
And here we have the meat of the propaganda line. My ôpersonal vendetta.ö We have all seen the declaration of war Ragnar made and the 100million isk bounty he placed on my head. The only people who have consistently supported the lie that it is ômy vendettaö are Taggart personnel and Taggart sleepers.
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Also we would appreciate if this contact was made by you or from a representative other then Jade. We are still troubled by her witch hunt of Ragnar.
ôwitch huntö à well itÆs a strange ôwitch huntö that begins with the aggressor being targeted for murder by the victim. I think Jubeli is Taggart, I think she is connected to Ragnar by corporate loyalty, and I think her words bare this out.
Love and peace
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Jubeli
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Posted - 2003.09.29 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Jubeli on 29/09/2003 15:04:40
Bravo Jade to use my words against me, but please stick to the issue at hand. Your bending of words should be looked upon with more critisism by the citizen of EVE then they currently are. As you say, you work with PR and people should bear that in mind.
Hell my CEO spit fire as we speak by the thought that someone can be so stupid to claim JEDI being under the flag of TTI without checking first.
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Well, back to the matter at hand. I would like to address the COUNCIL of NVA and not their PR woman. So someone please direct me to the management level.
Also who TTI has war with is none of our concern really because we have not alliance of any sort that would disturb our work. In fact it is more disturbing for us to see their alliance with Space Invaders.
But being on a large alliance's KOS list, such as NVA's, is a matter of great concern, specially when slander, rumours from our enemis and lies is what led to it.
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Jubeli
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Posted - 2003.09.29 15:13:00 -
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I hope this will help in NVA council's decision to remove us from KOS list:
Answer in the matter on TTI forum
Once again I hope for a swift cooperative solution in this matter. |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.29 15:16:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 29/09/2003 15:18:59
Jubeli
We donÆt need to make a case. We consider there is enough evidence of your Taggart sympathies and interactions to make you an unwelcome presence in NVA patrolled space. You are an appalling debater and a women much taken with making unwise pronouncements and broad unsupported statements.
Look at the title of this thread. ôNVA proves to be in err.ö So you say. Where is your ôproofö? We only have your weak protestations to balance the evidence of our own ears and eyes. Your corporation has consistently supported Taggart, you yourself admit this.
As for checking the facts, I assure everyone who might be interested that the facts were checked most thoroughly. Your own statements both here and in other forums, were cross-referenced with the word of intel sources and analysts, and have combined in the decision to place your corporation as KOS for the NVA.
You can make whatever approach you chose to make to the NVA council Jubeli à but donÆt get your hopes up. I have seen extensive evidence to support the decision to maintain your corp on KOS. Such material will be made available to the NVA council but since we need to protect our sources will not be reproduced here.
And now some questions;
1. Who are the dishonest corporations in the NVA you mention (in your opinion)?
2. Please clarify this statement ôwe fight against freedom from M3G4 in Lonetrekö
3. What precisely does this mean; ôwe actually do honest commerce with some members of TTIö
4. How does this stated intention ôàa safe universe from pirates with more free trade.ö Combine with your support of Taggart as funding base for the Northern Alliance and New Pirate Alliance?
5. Please explain this statement;
ôJedi acknowledge that parts of TTI isn't as bad as Jade tries to tell us all, they actuall exist in other part of the galaxy and play the honest game of commerce. But then again that doesn't make it OK for them to ally themselves with pirates but in this case we do see it as joining with 'the enemy of my enemy' because NVA is their enemy and their tactics is understandable but we still don't support that part at all in any way.ö
(This sounds very much to me like you are trying to divorce Taggart front companies from the responsible of the war that Ragnar declared.)
6. You wrote ôMy personal opinion is that Jade's personal vendetta against Ragnar and all other mega corpsö; Who are the other Megacorps you say I declared ôvendettaö against?
7. You wrote ôJEDI has never supported TTI actions in the VA, we only disliked your methods of slander more then their 'all for profit' way when siding up with pirates.ö
Does this mean you are calling us liars? (slander) And does this mean you are in favour of Taggart profit-first philosophy in dealing with pirates?
8. You wrote ôà except that we have a mutual NAPö; does this not directly contradict your earlier statement? à ôThe claim that we should be business partners on a higher level then we are with any other honest tradesman is totally rumours and slander talk from people trying to hurt Jedi and I guess NVA fell for it.ö
9. (lastly) you wrote ôMy question regarding this claim is if you see us on TTI's MFC list or as reference on any official documents that say they have any sort of contract with Jedi? ..No you don't, because no such documents exist.ö
Well first you tell us you are not bound to TTI, and then you tell us you are bound with a NAP, then you tell us no such documents exist. I donÆt even know what MFC means in the Taggart context. Your denial seems entirely false, and supports what I have learned about your corporationÆs activities.
So Jubeli,
Please feel free to appeal your place on the KOS à but make sure you answer these questions in your appeal. Be assured that I shall be presenting them to the NVA council if and when the matter gets that far.
Love and peace
Jade Constantine
CEO Jericho Fraction
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Lonagan Nash
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Posted - 2003.09.29 15:18:00 -
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"For my part I declare blood feud on Ragnar and Taggart Trandimensional." --Jade
This is the source of the "vendetta lie" as you put it.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.29 15:24:00 -
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Ah Lonagan Nash, what a surprise ... Taggart comes to defend Taggart.
"For my part I declare blood feud on Ragnar and Taggart Trandimensional." --Jade
If you would care to link to the source of that quote you will find Ragnar placing 100million isk of bounties upon my head and renouncing the VA council, and declaring war on the corporations who had just chosen to cast free and open votes.
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This is the source of the "vendetta lie" as you put it.
Its not how I put it, and you are the liar.
Love and peace
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.29 15:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 29/09/2003 15:40:53
[Jubeli wrote]
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I hope this will help in NVA council's decision to remove us from KOS list:
Answer in the matter on TTI forum
Seems unlikely since one thread below you are seeing kissing Ragnar's butt-cheeks and agreeing with everything that is said in his fictious press conference.
The Truth about Jubeli
[And I quote]
"Problems done by Jade and Evolution if you ask me. Envy will always exist in the galaxy and it is a pity that people who aren't allowed to join want to destoy.
Strange though that Jericho let someone so un-diplomatic speak for them. Specially when her anger so clearly is aimed at Ragnar and hence, TTI... However parts of Jericho seems pretty good, but with Evolution I can't see anything good at all.
I'm confused though seeing some names on their memberlist that I never thought would be on it.. among them is us on their KOS list *lol*
I would like to know where to send that bill Ragnar supposedly we are now your minions and hencemen doing your bidding.. so now we want our money.. " - Jubeli
And for those that might wonder about the validity of Taggart statements in their internal forums ...
Ragnar Speaks
Really Jubeli ... go home.
The day the NVA council is swayed by your nonsense is the day I join Naginata for keeps.
Love and peace
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Jubeli
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Posted - 2003.09.29 15:38:00 -
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NAP = Non-Agression Pact
which in our case is not a binding alliance except that we acknowledge them as corp and we have no hostile intent (and toward TTI we don't because they haven't disturbed us). You should know this having loads of NAPs. Nothing so far has from us seen as a gain on ending this NAP and I guess they haven't either.
A NAP can't surely be enough for ending up on NVA's KOS list. Again the list would be rather big again because I'm very sure many corporations have NAP with TTI.
Is there ANY way to get the attention of ANOTHER council member? Last I looked on the NVA corp list I saw over 20 corporation names, can I please get in touch with someone resonable? (yes Jade, I count you as unresonable because of your ongoing blind hate to Ragnar and TTI)
Also your questions has nothing to do with this matter. Our dealing with other pirates and such are our business. That we have killed m3g4 pirates and are at war with Space Invaders should be enough for now.
Regarding honest business we have never received or given any special prices for TTI nor special treatment. None has ever been asked either. They must pay and play by the same rules as all other customers.
My personal opinions should be left out in this matter and in the questions. You seem very fixated with them and my opinion with you especially. Even though people might now like eachother doesn't mean they can act professionally.
Again I would like to come into contact with someone in this matter.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.29 15:45:00 -
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Having read the account of your butt-kissing on the Taggart forums I am surprised you even continue this pointless charade Jubeli. I think it unlikely that you will be taken seriously henceforth. But thats the price of working with Taggart.
Seriously though, it looked like you were agreeing with Ragnar's press conference? Do you actually credit anything the man said?
I am facinated.
Love and peace
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Jubeli
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Posted - 2003.09.29 15:46:00 -
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Jade you are still only bending my words against me and not seeing the full picture here. I would like to see a source that proof what you accuse us of.
Why would we divert and not be anywhere on TTI lists? HDY and Techell have both had dealing with us and should know that we are no minions to TTI.
Because this is what you base everything on. That JEDI are minions to TTI and is a corporation under their flag but I can't see any proof or statement that declares us as such. And that is because there is no such document, you are fumbling in the dark here and grasping for straws to win you bonus points.
I won't comment to Jade any further, she had her chance and now I see no solution if NVA only will let her speak nor listen to official statements of TTI.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.09.29 15:49:00 -
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Dear Jubeli, Athule has also replied to this thread. Thus you have heard from others then Jade.
Jade has hinted that she needs real proof,that some corpses might be good. If you are so inclined to be on the good side of NVA give those to her.
This is not a hijack
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.29 16:00:00 -
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[Jubeli desparately reached]
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Jade you are still only bending my words against me and not seeing the full picture here. I would like to see a source that proof what you accuse us of.
Thats not going to happen. NVA protects sources. We have welcomed many defectors and ideological converts during this war. They are granted anonymity and protection from revelation.
However, surely even a fool can see that your words on public record are quite enough to secure your place on KOS? Seriously, what was the point of all this?
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Why would we divert and not be anywhere on TTI lists?
Ummmmm ... let me take a wild guess. Because Taggart needs untraceable spies and front companies?
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HDY and Techell have both had dealing with us and should know that we are no minions to TTI.
Some other corporations that have had deals with you tell a very different story.
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Because this is what you base everything on. That JEDI are minions to TTI and is a corporation under their flag but I can't see any proof or statement that declares us as such.
It's not. Perhaps you should read a little Kafka m'dear and try to understand the point of K's predicament.
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And that is because there is no such document, you are fumbling in the dark here and grasping for straws to win you bonus points.
Why would I care? As Athule says you were flagged as Taggart ally at an early stage. You had the option of declaring against the Piratical Alliance and you didn't. Intel sources continue to flag you as one of the last active Taggart fronts. Hence you remain KOS.
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I won't comment to Jade any further, she had her chance and now I see no solution if NVA only will let her speak
Run away home little girl. And understand that the NVA is no dictatorship like Taggart. Anyone may speak. If people are interested they will.
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... nor listen to official statements of TTI.
And with that last comment you really are taking the ****. "Official statements of TTi"?
What like ... "there are no NVA infidels in Venal, our forces are victorious in battle, always they run like dogs before their masters ... etc etc"?
b]"Official statements of TTi" are like scordite 'roids ... overblown, ubiquitous and largely worthless at the same time.
Love and peace.
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Djarid
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Posted - 2003.09.29 16:06:00 -
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I would like to take this opportunity to speak directly on behalf of JEDI.
Before answering charges of:
a. being a secret front of TTI
b. Having TTI sympathies
c. Supporting Pirate activities
I would like to be presented with the evidence that has provided sufficient reason to be placed an a Venal Alliance KOS list.
There seems to be some hypocrisy in your recent accusation of "weak protestations" of innocence from Jubeli while as far as I am aware you have yet to publish your evidence.
It is my understanding that in most legal systems a party is deemed innocent until proven guilty and that the defendant has the right to see all prosecution evidence before stating their defence.
Both of these conventions seem to have been broken in our case.
While, until now, I have had no dealings with the Venal Alliance I have no love for TTI. I hope this situation will be settled fairly and honestly and that the character bashing will cease.
It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.29 16:24:00 -
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Djarid,
You will not be presented with evidence beyond that which has already been presented here. This is war, not a courtroom, and intel sources will be protected.
JubeliÆs actions stand on record. She has been consistently pro TTi and has presented a long list of contradictions, half-truths, confusions, evasions and ill-thought out misdirectionÆs for the view pleasure of the Intergalactic summit audience.
I asked her a list of questions. You may not avoid answering those merely by publishing your own and demanding legalistic process.
I donÆt care about your understanding of legal systems. Your understanding is precisely irrelevant because you are considered an ally of a corporation that uses pirate allies and illegal solicitation to multiple murders as a modus operandi. You are tainted by association, and that taint may not be removed by pseudo legalistic wriggling.
There are no ôlegalö conventions in common between Taggart and the NVA.
If you wish progress then review the comments on the record made by Jubeli.
And open a conversation with me in-game.
We will talk.
Jade Constantine
CEO Jericho Fraction
PR Rep NVA
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Djarid
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Posted - 2003.09.29 16:37:00 -
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Jade,
I will contact you in-game.
However, legality does apply to warfare else how could one be guilty of "war crimes". This legality is determined by the peers of both the aggressor and the victim of that oppression.
How you deal with others is the biggest influencing factor in how you are viewed by those around you. Unfortunately, in this matter, there does not seem to be a great deal of fair handedness. The veracity of this will become apparent through these boards and the opinion of the Venal Alliance by the rest of the EVE community.
Either way, I hope this issue can be resolved quickly.
It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit.
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Posted - 2003.09.30 04:51:00 -
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Normally I enjoy reading about the NVA and TTI/NA, however this thread is becoming painful to read, is doing neither party any favours in my opinion and highlights two key issues, namely that...
1) Displaying your dirty laundry in public does no-one any good as it results in an argument where, both normally and clearly in this case, two people antagonistic to each other are unlikely to reach an agreement (especially when the public is watching, pride is one of the seven sins for a reason).
2) Attempting to resolve this kind of issue in an open forum is inappropriate unless you are trying to score public sentiment points off one another, which again in my opinion neither party is being succesful at.
If either party wishes to bring this issue to a close then for goodness sake just take it in game, debate the issues reasonably and reach a resolution, whether agreeable to both parties or not.
Furthermore having been moved to actually post on this issue use of my views as an objective observer to further your own case in this row will be a twisting of a casual observer's opinions.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Diamond Dog
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Posted - 2003.09.30 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: Diamond Dog on 30/09/2003 12:07:28
Ok..
Let's just give it a rest.
Jubeli and JEDI have made an inquery as to why they are kos.
Now can't we just all get along.
This matter will be dealt with in the propper way.. do not doubt that for one second.
And I agree with darth solo.. we don't have to post on every thread about the NVA..
Diamond Dog
Fighters of Heineken
New Venal Alliance
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.09.30 20:35:00 -
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Burn JEDI burn.
NVA need not worry about these mental midgets. They will be taken care of in the very near future.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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