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Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2006.06.25 17:59:00 - [31] im not goin into this stupid missiles = turrets spin again, what i wonna add is that its jsut less fun to fly caldari bricks as theyre generally slow and have a slow locktime, then flying other ships, not rlly balance breaking, just less fun for me. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Viper ShizzIe	Posted - 2006.06.25 18:02:00 - [32] Edited by: Viper **zIe on 25/06/2006 18:02:32
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2006.06.25 18:20:00 - [33] Originally by: Lemmy Barnett To Frakri Hogsto: I've tried them. They are ridiculously easy to fly. ECM is a boring I-Win button. Maybe ECCM changes will fix this but I doubt it. Aside from Caldari what ships do you fly and how balanced do you find them? Why do you choose to fly Caldari? gallente because thats what I trained for? -------------------------------------- What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?! --------------------------------------
Lemmy Barnett	Posted - 2006.06.25 18:29:00 - [34] So you fly the flavor of the month and the flavor of the last 2 years. Not really sure that you're the best person to be offering suggestions to people who whine about Caldari ships.
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2006.06.25 18:33:00 - [35] Originally by: Lemmy Barnett So you fly the flavor of the month and the flavor of the last 2 years. Not really sure that you're the best person to be offering suggestions to people who whine about Caldari ships. yea, i trained my gall char in a month, and yea I enyo flying caldari ships, they are so much fun -------------------------------------- What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?! --------------------------------------
Grim Vandal	Posted - 2006.06.25 18:47:00 - [36] Edited by: Grim Vandal on 25/06/2006 18:47:30 Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Frakri Hogsto Originally by: Noriath Caldari ruin this game. First of all they ruined missiles. Every race that used to have one or two missiles slots on their ships highly prized those because they were they were not dependent on tracking or optimal, didn't nescesarely need a target lock, but very slow, and as such a great kind of "special weapon", missiles also were expensive back then. Then stupid Caldari comes along with a ship that uses nothing but missiles, demands that missiles are made insanely fast and ten times cheaper, then they are way too powerful obviously, so missiles no longer ignore sig rad, and have just become all around useless to fit on ships that only have one or two launchers. All that crap instead of just giving the raven turrets in the first place, and now Caldari have whined so much that they are getting a turret ship on top of their little cheeseboat that ruined missiles for everyone else. And let's not forget the scorpion, the scourge of intelligent combat. ECM sucks and it shouldn't even exist in this game, having a ship that can use it at virtually any range, in massive numbers is just nothing but stupid. Why the hell do we need an ECM battleship anyways, and why does only one race get a dedicated EW battleship? Basicly it has forced everyone who wants any chance in PvP to heavily field Caldari ships, and people who continuosly complain that Caldari don't have a fleetship, that's not even the case, they have the only fleet ship that can acctually do anything in a 200+ km fight without having a single tech 2 module! The first time they changed ECM to chance based was to counter the fact that you could create a setup that would jam with absoloute certrainty and the only way to counter it was to put ECCM on every ship. Now the only way they know how to counter the fact that jamming is still pretty much a certain thing is to make ECCM more powerful so we're at square one again... Eve would be better off without the entire Caldari race. Missiles would still be a nice weapon that everyone can use for a more varied armament, and if ECM simply didn't exist I don't think anyone would go: "Oh oh, I know what this game is missing, a cheap way to keep people from using any agressive modules indefinatly that some ships get insane bonuses to!" I realy dont know what to say...exept for : tbh this is not funny at all and Noriath is right on this one! caldari is pure lame, nothing else but lame now I tell you what actually is funny: I'm caldari and this is my only char (alts ftl) and I'm pure caldari specced ... I'm playing since beta and I currently have nearly 49mill sp and 99% of that in combat skills and still I have to agree with noriath º%&$ taht simply "%$º that Greetings Grim
Cade Morrigan	Posted - 2006.06.25 18:47:00 - [37] Edited by: Cade Morrigan on 25/06/2006 18:47:01 It's funny to see "Nerf Caldari!" and "Everyone flies Caldari!" threads then turn around and see the same number of threads saying "Which race should I switch to from Caldari?" or "I'm going to start flying xxxx race, Caldari is boring!" Caldari must be balanced! ;) -= Save the Gila! Fix its grid and cpu! =-
Letifer Deus	Posted - 2006.06.25 19:56:00 - [38] Originally by: Akihura Dralamputra Try to make as much damages with standard missiles II than a light neutron blaster II, then come back and say caldari are overpowered. kthxbye. How can you possibly compare blasters to standard missles? Take a look at effective range of light missles compared to blasters please. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.25 20:01:00 - [39] Originally by: Grim Vandal now I tell you what actually is funny: I'm caldari and this is my only char (alts ftl) and I'm pure caldari specced ... I'm playing since beta and I currently have nearly 49mill sp and 99% of that in combat skills and still I have to agree with noriath º%&$ taht simply "%$º that pics or stfu
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.25 20:05:00 - [40] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Grim Vandal now I tell you what actually is funny: I'm caldari and this is my only char (alts ftl) and I'm pure caldari specced ... I'm playing since beta and I currently have nearly 49mill sp and 99% of that in combat skills and still I have to agree with noriath º%&$ taht simply "%$º that pics or stfu /signed ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Ujio Noki	Posted - 2006.06.25 20:20:00 - [41] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Grim Vandal now I tell you what actually is funny: I'm caldari and this is my only char (alts ftl) and I'm pure caldari specced ... I'm playing since beta and I currently have nearly 49mill sp and 99% of that in combat skills and still I have to agree with noriath º%&$ taht simply "%$º that pics or stfu /signed godammit i was gonna say that.....
Grim Vandal	Posted - 2006.06.25 20:26:00 - [42] well here we go: click more to come Greetings Grim
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.25 20:29:00 - [43] one with the 49mil SP I hope
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2006.06.25 21:21:00 - [44] Originally by: Grim Vandal Edited by: Grim Vandal on 25/06/2006 20:44:47 well here we go: click nearly 49 mill sp some other random pic cerb ftw btw employment history is bugged my first corp which I were a member of for more than a year doesnt show up, none the less its kinda kewl that my starting corp is m0o still missiles ftl, they are simply ghey you have 6m skp in missiles and you call yourself caldari? -------------------------------------- What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?! --------------------------------------
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.25 21:27:00 - [45] Originally by: Grim Vandal Edited by: Grim Vandal on 25/06/2006 20:44:47 well here we go: click nearly 49 mill sp some other random pic cerb ftw btw employment history is bugged my first corp which I were a member of for more than a year doesnt show up, none the less its kinda kewl that my starting corp is m0o still missiles ftl, they are simply ghey impressive. I wasn't aware there were combat characters with that many SP flying around. Some more missile SP would be nice though
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.06.25 21:39:00 - [46] Originally by: Frakri Hogsto Originally by: Grim Vandal Edited by: Grim Vandal on 25/06/2006 20:44:47 well here we go: click nearly 49 mill sp some other random pic cerb ftw btw employment history is bugged my first corp which I were a member of for more than a year doesnt show up, none the less its kinda kewl that my starting corp is m0o still missiles ftl, they are simply ghey you have 6m skp in missiles and you call yourself caldari? Look at electronics... ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.25 21:41:00 - [47] I thought that. What's he got in there? All the ECM specialisations maxed?
Grim Vandal	Posted - 2006.06.26 00:17:00 - [48] well I decided that missiles are simply ghey like a year ago and stopped training them cuz thats just what they are well 10mill in electronics, lets just say not many jam cycles fail and my rage torps do hurt with tp skills maxed as well. oh and cloaking skill maxed is pretty crucial for me cuz I refuse to use instas as seen in the link below click anyway to the op, I fly caldari since beta (rail osprey ftw) and trust me I really do like missiles gernerally but simply not how they work in this game. so again Noriath is right, removing them as a primary weapon system would be ccp best move ever besides removing instas of course Greetings Grim
Akiman	Posted - 2006.06.26 01:03:00 - [49] He is right...
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.06.26 01:12:00 - [50] 10 mill in electronics scary char Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Lorth	Posted - 2006.06.26 01:24:00 - [51] My only real issue with the Caldarie is thier short ranged ships. Or more specifically the raven. If one ignores the domi, far and away the best short range ship is the raven. Take a look at Tux's graph that includes the effect of tracking, and look at missile DOT.
Ghoest	Posted - 2006.06.26 02:31:00 - [52] Edited by: Ghoest on 26/06/2006 02:31:50 Its kind of like comparing 2 older cars, one with a stick and one with an automatic transmission and saying which one would be a better racer. If youre an untrained lazy ass, then the automatic(missiles) is better. Not because its good, but because you can at least make it work. If you know what your doing then the stick(turrets) is way better. Wherever you went - here you are.
Kelgen Thann	Posted - 2006.06.26 03:09:00 - [53] Edited by: Kelgen Thann on 26/06/2006 03:12:35 Missles suck long range. Absolutely worthless in Fleet combat as most of it is 200km or so. If you fight PvP close range in fleets you are terrible. With T2 sniping ammo engagements are all at sniping distance. Lets see skill point wise. I have 40 million sp and still training to finish off Caldari. I need max engeneering, electronics, Missles, 3 mil in gunnery for weapon upgrades, and adv. weapon upgrades. I also have trouble fitting an active tank and T2 Cruise laucnehrs, T2 Siege are impossible to fit. We have the HIGHEST mass in the game by far. The highest Sig radius, the slowest locking times, the slowest warp times. The lowest agility. Cadlari are brought back into balance on all things not directly visible. Try Flying a BC with the mass of a BS. or a BS half the size of the apoc but way more mass. Do missles take less time to learn than guns yes, but guns can do insta damage, and that is a huge bonus trust me. In an engagement 2/3rds of my missles don't make it to the target because they either warped, or were destroyed by the turret users. There are also more variations of T2 ammo for turrets, we get 2 kinds. Everytime people whine its always the grass is greener on the other side... Incase your wondering I can also fly many other ship types. I chose caldari because when I was creating a character in '03 the racial description said Technology 2nd to only the Jove. They are capitalist, ruthless, everyday life is a battle, they look tough. The description won me over.
Noriath	Posted - 2006.06.26 03:37:00 - [54] Even if people only made so many Caldari Chars because they are the most "normal" looking and have an appealing racial description, that doesn't explain why everyone is flying Caldari ships. Because even people that aren't Caldari end up flying their ships because they are so ridiculously easy to use.
Octavio Santillian	Posted - 2006.06.26 03:43:00 - [55] Originally by: BuSHiDo ZiN Best 'Ceptor? Are you honestly trying to tell me that the crow is better than the crusader? The taranis? While there is no æbestÆ ship for all situations, the Crow is the only ceptor that is very fast, has good damage output, and can fire its primary weapons while at full MWD speeds from outside of web range. While it is not invincible, the ability to hit a target while holding a 3k transversal is a huge advantage. I donÆt intend on weighing in on the overall Caldari issue, as IÆve not flow Caldari. I will say this though, I think Caldari, as a race, are less frustrating because their ships and weapon systems are well designed and their disadvantages tend to compliment their advantages in a kind of natural, believable way (e.g. they are slow, but do not require speed since missiles have no optimal and rails are for sniping). Other races seem to be artificially gimped to keep them from being overpowered, and that rubs people the wrong way. I fly Matari, and I love it, but IÆm constantly saying to myself ôNo one would design a ship like that, it makes no sense.ö Anyway, all those Caldari pilots who get all upset when someone says Caldari are overpowered always say, ôYah but if you flew Caldari you would hate it.ö They continue to fly Caldari though. Then again, I continue to fly Matari, so what does that mean in the end? I donÆt know. ôWeÆre not doing for ISK...........WeÆre doing it for a ****load of ISK!ö
Woopie	Posted - 2006.06.26 03:45:00 - [56] Originally by: Kelgen Thann Edited by: Kelgen Thann on 26/06/2006 03:12:35 There are also more variations of T2 ammo for turrets, we get 2 kinds. What? Missiles: Every damage type X long / short range = 8 Turrets: Single fixed damage type X long / short range = 2 Originally by: Kelgen Thann Edited by: Kelgen Thann on 26/06/2006 03:12:35 Everytime people whine its always the grass is greener on the other side... Clearly there is some turth in that.. "Ignorance is Strength" - Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell
Octavio Santillian	Posted - 2006.06.26 04:00:00 - [57] Originally by: Noriath Even if people only made so many Caldari Chars because they are the most "normal" looking... Hey my toon is normal looking. Well not that dude with a golf ball shaped head to the left, but my new portrait which it seems will never show up in the forums (I swapped out over a month ago). Just as well I guess; once it does refresh I'll have to change my sig, and I'm lazy. Hummm, maybe I should have trained up Caldari! ôWeÆre not doing for ISK...........WeÆre doing it for a ****load of ISK!ö
Cade Morrigan	Posted - 2006.06.26 04:46:00 - [58] Originally by: Noriath Even if people only made so many Caldari Chars because they are the most "normal" looking and have an appealing racial description, that doesn't explain why everyone is flying Caldari ships. Because even people that aren't Caldari end up flying their ships because they are so ridiculously easy to use. Every time you whine about "easy caldari" a baby rail boat (Merlin, Moa, Eagle, Ferox) is brutalized. Stop the brutalizing of baby caldari railboats! -= Save the Gila! Fix its grid and cpu! =-
Khadur	Posted - 2006.06.26 05:15:00 - [59] [monthly] period
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.06.26 05:25:00 - [60] Originally by: Cade Morrigan Originally by: Noriath Even if people only made so many Caldari Chars because they are the most "normal" looking and have an appealing racial description, that doesn't explain why everyone is flying Caldari ships. Because even people that aren't Caldari end up flying their ships because they are so ridiculously easy to use. Every time you whine about "easy caldari" a baby rail boat (Merlin, Moa, Eagle, Ferox) is brutalized. Stop the brutalizing of baby caldari railboats! Don't forget about Harpies! Think about the baby Harpies! -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!

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