GǪand after that, I quoted a claim you made and asked you to clarify it. Since you are incapable of doing so and instantly had to dive straight into evasion mode, we can safely conclude that your statement was just some irrelevant bleating without even a shred of coherent or cogent thought behind it.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Is this where I am supposed to prove myself and you get to find a new ambiguous snot shot, implying I am wrong when right and wrong were never really in question.

It was mentioned at Fanfest this year something about the New Player Experience that should help the new players, course we know how that goes when a noob gets podded first time in space...

No, this is where you either further confirm the conclusion that you're just leaking methane rather than providing an actual argument (like you just did) or demonstrate that you can put some actual thought behind your claim and answer the very simple question I asked.

I'll ask you once again, in case you missed it the first time: EVE doesn't make senseGǪ how, exactly?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4776414#post4776414

Read it again. I answered it.

New players these days have the attention span of a goldfish. The learning curve in EVE isn't a curve at all. It's a plateau with a very steep drop. New players come to the forums, particularly GD and are met with hostility and derision. Some in this community try to give informed and well thought out advice. Unfortunately its the sheer number of trolls, forum warriors, expert players and stunt muppets that can really turn off a player who wants to try and learn how to EVE. Some of these people really are wonderful as long as you imagine the person on the other end of the interwebz is at their desk naked, eating cheetos and spreading yogurt all over their bodies.

New players these days have the attention span of a goldfish. The learning curve in EVE isn't a curve at all. It's a plateau with a very steep drop. New players come to the forums, particularly GD and are met with hostility and derision. Some in this community try to give informed and well thought out advice. Unfortunately its the sheer number of trolls, forum warriors, expert players and stunt muppets that can really turn off a player who wants to try and learn how to EVE. Some of these people really are wonderful as long as you imagine the person on the other end of the interwebz is at their desk naked, eating cheetos and spreading yogurt all over their bodies.

Some of these people really are wonderful as long as you imagine the person on the other end of the interwebz is at their desk naked, eating cheetos and spreading yogurt all over their bodies.

I'm literally dripping with strawberry M++ller right now.

I'm not a fan of casuals, they're the reason why most of my favourite games have become easy snorefests over the years. Because of them, games are no longer about providing entertainment through challenge, they're about providing quick endorphin-release by giving players e-rewards for pressing X when it tells you to.

"Achievement Unlocked! : Pressed X"

I would rather see EvE die than watch it become space-WoW.

There are no new players to EVE. Anyone who was every going to try EVE Online has done so.


You could ask why most never stayed but the answers won't be put in a neat little package. They will range and there will be lots of them but really it's all about information bloat. You see it even in the people who stay. All fits, all content, all scenarios in EVE are an attempt to reduce the useless information being thrown at you in bucket loads.

"It may prove valuable if turned in at proper authorities" The description on every dog tag in EVE Online. One of millions of examples where information is provided that has no actionable value. It creates a question and there is seldom an answer.

People who haven't wasted years filtering the useless information in EVE burn out in a matter of weeks and do what common sense people do. Go find a video game that makes sense at a basic level.

First, I will never understand why people would want people to leave their subscription game. Yet we hear the "maybe EvE isn't for you" or "go play WoW all the time". Do you understand how subscription games are funded?

You're wrong. Most people who try eve leave because they didn't find their niche. It took me 3 tries to stick with eve. Judging by the friends I've gotten into eve, that seems to be the standard. I'm only just NOW getting one guy into the game, and another friend just started up a trial. Eve has a lot of content but the chaotic nature of the universe makes it hard for people to find where they belong.

Everyone who wants to try EVE has done so.

I don't know how any of what you said makes what I said wrong. You could have started that with in addition?

First, I will never understand why people would want people to leave their subscription game. Yet we hear the "maybe EvE isn't for you" or "go play WoW all the time". Do you understand how subscription games are funded?

Citation needed.

What if I can just join a queue and have a 1 vs 1 engagement with a prefit ship of my choosing that I can lose over and over again. Perhaps I can learn faster in such a battle arena without having to lose my ships in the process, but those provided by the queue. :D

EDIt: Oh and you cannot get podded so you can try out various implant configurations without worrying about loosing them.

He did. He said that it was due to not finding a niche, as opposed to your claim that it was GÇ£all about information bloatGÇ¥.

Speaking of which, can you explain how EVE does not make sense?

EDIt: Oh and you cannot get podded so you can try out various implant configurations without worrying about loosing them.

Overly butthurt and rule-breaking response.

While it's a little bit of an old article, this does a pretty good job of explaining how CCP feels about "attracting new people".

TL;DR: CCP wants to keep things difficult at first, as it serves as a great filter for getting the right kind of person into the game.

Tippia would be more likely to agree with you if you were right.

There's also this GÇö which runs completely counter to what many people expect from a game.


Then don't claim that it doesn't.

Sure I do. The people just have to be able to convince me, which isn't all that hard. You need some facts, a smidgen of logic, and a coherent argument. You also need to be able answer a question or two without crumpling like a paper cup struck by an ELE-size meteor.

It was very clear from the get-go: you were talking out of your arse. The fact that you were incapable of answering a very simple question about the position you put forward proved as much. That's why simple questions are such a potent tool and why I employ them so often GÇö they instantly expose exactly that kind of nonsense.

I didnt read all the comments, so maybe this is sarcasm explained in other posts; but if its not...

This is a terrible idea and not in the spirit of EvE at all. Please dont think of stupid **** like this ever again in the context of EvE Online.

The trouble with that horseshit is what I wrote was a thought.

All I see is belittlement and smugness.

While it's a little bit of an old article, this does a pretty good job of explaining how CCP feels about "attracting new people".

TL;DR: CCP wants to keep things difficult at first, as it serves as a great filter for getting the right kind of person into the game.