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Cursed Prophet
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.07 19:34:00 -
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Hey All!,
I could really use your advice on what I can do here, I just resubbed. I have a character with almost 11m SP, but that last time I've played was about 6yrs ago. I've forgotten most of everything about the game. Even when I did play I didn't really know what I was doing, not a good start eh?.
Stupid: I did something really dumb. I was running missions and of course I had the bright idea in my head to get a battleship ASAP and try lvl 4's for more isk. Isk just like money in real life seems to evade me. I've always been pretty poor in this game from what I remember so, I sold everything and somehow I ended up with one of the most gimped Raven's out there. In fact I won't post my build as I couldn't bare the shame (yeah, it's that bad). I have about 20m isk left. Obviously, I should sell the Raven and get into some frigates again. Problem is and I don't know how I did it unless I bought it really cheap all those years ago I have some Rigs on the Raven and to my dismay they're worth 15mill a piece!! So, should I still sell the Raven or keep it for I would lose about 45mil in rigs? Just to emphasis 45mil is a lot for me. I know it's not the end of the world, but there were many l3's missions I had to run to get that.
Second: I REALLY need the help here. I quit due to missions. I don't ever want to do them again... ever if possible.. I would love to do some pvp. But with my income at 0 and no corp. I'm not sure what to do next. I need to join a corp, but it's impossible to find one that doesn't suck. I've joined from what I remember 9-12 of them and they all turned out a pretty terrible experience (recruit channel/forums). It's hard to join the best corp. out there, but maybe I can somehow do that or work hard enough for one to accept me. I want to do the long haul in this game and be apart of something epic. Fleet battle possibly? I'm not sure i'm that into pirating although I haven't tried it. I just need something a little more engaging then what made me want to leave the first time. Anyone have any tips on what I could try. Keep in mind I don't have much isk if I don't sell my Raven. What avenue should I go down. I know if I find a great corp. I'll need to sell everything then move into low sec. .. Huge HUGE thank you to the awesome people on these forums for any help they can provide! |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
3591
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Posted - 2014.07.07 19:40:00 -
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How about getting into wormholes, get into a T3 ship and look for WH corps. If not that train for a logi and you can do WHs, PVP, or incursions with a logi...sorta :P
The Drake is a Lie |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2561
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Posted - 2014.07.07 19:54:00 -
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Unless the rigs are t2 I'd just rip em out and put the raven on the market. Chances are they would be torn out anyway if you did manage to sell it.
"Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out."
-Omar Alharazaad
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
--áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
455
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Posted - 2014.07.07 20:10:00 -
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1. you can sell it + rigs on contracts. Otherwise you'll need to repackage it and lose the rigs.
2. you can train PI skills and have passive income just 1 click a day per planet up to 6 planets.
Regarding missions,
if you don't like missions there are many many other activities in the game.
if you wish to pvp join Faction Warfare.. you get LPs which you can use at the FW LP store and make some cash without problem.. also most FW is around frig>BC scale so not that expensive to get into.
"What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what."
--áAaron Birch |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
5707
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Posted - 2014.07.07 20:30:00 -
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Cursed Prophet wrote:Stupid: I did something really dumb. I was running missions and of course I had the bright idea in my head to get a battleship ASAP and try lvl 4's for more isk. Isk just like money in real life seems to evade me. I've always been pretty poor in this game from what I remember so, I sold everything and somehow I ended up with one of the most gimped Raven's out there. In fact I won't post my build as I couldn't bare the shame (yeah, it's that bad). I have about 20m isk left. Obviously, I should sell the Raven and get into some frigates again. Problem is and I don't know how I did it unless I bought it really cheap all those years ago I have some Rigs on the Raven and to my dismay they're worth 15mill a piece!! So, should I still sell the Raven or keep it for I would lose about 45mil in rigs? Just to emphasis 45mil is a lot for me. I know it's not the end of the world, but there were many l3's missions I had to run to get that.
Try this fit:
[Raven, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II
Large Micro Jump Drive
Shield Boost Amplifier II
X-Large Shield Booster II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Target Painter II
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]
[empty rig slot] (rigs are whatever you already have)
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
NOTES:
- everything should fit more or less comfortably. If you are having CPU problems (which is the only thing that is even close to maxed) than I suggest training up the Weapon Upgrades skill a bit more (it reduces CPU requirements for weapons by 5%).
- As is always my advice in the New Citizens forum; fit meta equipment (that you are most comfortable buying) if you cannot use T2 stuff. Train up your skills accordingly.
- The tactic with this fit is to Microjump away from the NPCs and pick them off as they come towards you. Rinse and repeat. Because your lock range is low (even with very high skills) it will take some trial and error to properly guesstimate where you should MJD to.
- If you are taking a good amount of damage (more than what your booster can handle), MJD away. Between 100 to 50km away, you should be taking negligible amounts of damage.
- The drones are there for taking out NPC frigates and destroyers. Do not use the drones until the NPCs are on top of you though (so when the NPCs switch targets you can pull them back in).
- Keep that target painter going at all times. Especially so when using drones. NPCs hate drones, but hate Electronic Warfare even more.
Cursed Prophet wrote:Second: I REALLY need the help here. I quit due to missions. I don't ever want to do them again... ever if possible.. I would love to do some pvp. But with my income at 0 and no corp. I'm not sure what to do next. I need to join a corp, but it's impossible to find one that doesn't suck. I've joined from what I remember 9-12 of them and they all turned out a pretty terrible experience (recruit channel/forums). It's hard to join the best corp. out there, but maybe I can somehow do that or work hard enough for one to accept me. I want to do the long haul in this game and be apart of something epic. Fleet battle possibly? I'm not sure i'm that into pirating although I haven't tried it. I just need something a little more engaging then what made me want to leave the first time. Anyone have any tips on what I could try. Keep in mind I don't have much isk if I don't sell my Raven. What avenue should I go down. I know if I find a great corp. I'll need to sell everything then move into low sec. .. Huge HUGE thank you to the awesome people on these forums for any help they can provide!
Well... you have a few options... I will list two here.
Option 1:
- sell the Raven
- buy a bunch of cheap T1 frigates and T1 mods
- move them right next to low-sec
- go out to Low-sec areas
- fight people
- talk to the people who killed you about how to improve yourself on a budget.
- if you show enough willingness to learn and that you are a "cool guy" you will be invited to fly with them.
Option 2:
- sell the Raven
- buy a bunch of cheap T1 frigates and T1 mods
- move them right next to low-sec
- join Faction Warfare
- run complexes with other people
- talk to your allies and learn from them
- make friends and learn from them
- cash out the Loyalty points you earn to buy more frigates
- fight people
- talk to the people who killed you about how to improve yourself on a budget.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Nikolai Lachance
Happy Wheels Logistics
120
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Posted - 2014.07.07 22:09:00 -
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Well, for learning the game you could join a corp like Eve University or Red vs Blue (more pvp focused). Either way, the E-Uni public chat channel is a good place to be for asking questions about the game. Lots of people in there who like to help inexperienced players, and no question is too noobish. |
Cursed Prophet
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.07.07 23:12:00 -
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Thanks a ton guys for all the help/advice here. I think I may just take the loss and sell the raven as right now it's worthless for what i'm looking to get into. After that I'll search for a great corp and hope that this time I'll choose better.
If I am going to more pvp focus. Does anyone know of a skill list/site that would have the skills I should be training for fleet/pirate/pvp etc... So much has changed in the many years I don't want to train up on stuff that's not needed. Thank you again guys for the help! |
Gregor Parud
582
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Posted - 2014.07.07 23:34:00 -
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Do high sec combat exploration, it's less grindy, less boring and quite worthwhile. |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
1441
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Posted - 2014.07.08 00:19:00 -
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Make a contract and sell your raven with the rigs in it. Price it as a good deal and you'll still make more than if you repackaged the raven and thereby destroyed the rigs. It just won't be instant...probably (unless you make it a really good deal)
I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
5709
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Posted - 2014.07.08 01:20:00 -
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Believe it or not OP... the skills that helped you in PvE will also help you in PvP. You simply need a few more skills to use the following mods:
- warp disturptor/scrambler
- stasis webifier
- Microwarpdrive
With these, you can engage anyone and hold them down. Whether you win or not is a different story (it will depend on your ship fit, your opponent's, your skill levels, their skill levels, and whether you or he/she has friends).
edit: also... stick to using frigates and engaging other frigates. Avoid destroyers and most cruisers.
If you need help, remember that the "enemy of my enemy is my friend." Open up a conversation with someone no affiliated with your target and ask if they want to kill _____ ship you have pinned down. The people you ask for help from will probably kill you... but they will usually do so after they have killed whoever you have pinned down. The trick is to live long enough.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Cursed Prophet
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.08 01:28:00 -
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Thanks Shah! Only thing and maybe I should start a new topic about this is. I'm mostly missle trained. I'm scouring the forums for pvp info and how to get prepared. I hear missles aren't very good for PVP. So it sounds like i may need a few weeks to lvl up gunnery as mine are pretty low currently.
Oh and thanks guys for the contract idea. I'll try that and hope it works out. I haven't done any contracts before so i'll give it a try. |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
1628
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Posted - 2014.07.08 01:53:00 -
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For the corp thing. Keep looking and do a lot of research before you join one!
There is a guide right here that will help you with what to look for and what to avoid.
Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread
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Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague
The Bastion
147
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Posted - 2014.07.08 08:48:00 -
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Cursed Prophet wrote:Thanks Shah! Only thing and maybe I should start a new topic about this is. I'm mostly missle trained. I'm scouring the forums for pvp info and how to get prepared. I hear missles aren't very good for PVP. So it sounds like i may need a few weeks to lvl up gunnery as mine are pretty low currently.
Oh and thanks guys for the contract idea. I'll try that and hope it works out. I haven't done any contracts before so i'll give it a try.
Missile frigates might not be the best thing at the moment, but mordus ships, malediction and missile AF's seem to be quite powerful due to their kiting ability. |
Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
419
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Posted - 2014.07.08 12:43:00 -
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Cursed Prophet wrote:Thanks Shah! Only thing and maybe I should start a new topic about this is. I'm mostly missle trained. I'm scouring the forums for pvp info and how to get prepared. I hear missles aren't very good for PVP. So it sounds like i may need a few weeks to lvl up gunnery as mine are pretty low currently.
The issues with missiles have more to do with the larger class missiles not applying well to smaller ships. With frigates you don't really have that problem. The Breacher is one of my favorite t1 frigs, and there are a ton of ways to fit it.
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1357
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Posted - 2014.07.08 16:44:00 -
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Cursed Prophet wrote:I'm not sure i'm that into pirating although I haven't tried it.
Then try it! You can start out cheap too, frigates are actually a very economic choice for piracy. You just can't kill marks on stations / gates in lowsec, but belts and customs offices are valid places to stalk for targets. With the buffs to mining barges, you might actually get a few fights out of it that you will lose in a small ship, so it's less onesided then killing/ransoming PI haulers nowadays.
IMO a pirate works with a certain ethic, it's not just about getting 'kills' or 'gudfites'. It's about profit and profit only, since fat loot is what nets you your next pirate ship. So you have to be a little prepared for the guys taunting you in local for being a wuss that doesn't deliver a straight up fight. You are not there for gudfites. You are there to take people's stuff and get spacerich off of other people's efforts. 
Then there is hisec piracy or plainly, using Crimewatch 2.0 to your advantage. If you are Suspect and someone shoots you, you can shoot that person through a Limited Engagement. Hisec piracy is mainly about generating these limited engagements under a false pretext, tricking a mark into causing one... after which you proceed to kill the mark and steal his goodies.
First and foremost: once you have some ISK to burn just think of something crazy and DO IT. Eve Online is an emergent game. You never know what you set in motion by doing something crazy. Maybe it will be dumb and people will laugh. Maybe it will be smart and people will applaud. Either way you create content, and there's nothing more fun then creating content with / for other players. |
Cursed Prophet
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.08 17:18:00 -
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Seriously, you guys are awesome! And about the pirating.... I think i may give that a whirl! . For training though. I put my raven up for sale (hope it sells soon). I spent all my remaining isk on skill books (I have a total of 39,790isk left haha). I was missing some gunnery skills/thermaldynamics etc.. For gunnery though should I be training hybrids? I know the flavor of today could change tomorrow, but for effective PVP should I be going down medium projectiles. I'm still sifting through the forums, but a lot of the info i'm getting is 2-3yrs old. Dunno if it's still relevant. By far you guys are the best community out there. Can't wait to fight along side you, or blow you up or whatever  |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2593
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Posted - 2014.07.08 17:25:00 -
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Hers a challenge for you, kill someone's mission battle ship in an assault frigate, solo.
"Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out."
-Omar Alharazaad
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
--áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Praxis Ginimic
Whine T3ar Brewery
822
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Posted - 2014.07.08 21:50:00 -
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Another vote for trying piracy with cheap frigs and maybe a few friends.
Solo, you can carry a mobile depot with you and fit a super fast attack frig for scanning. Scan down mission and site runners in low sec. Then drop your mobile depot refit for killing and go for it. You would be surprised how easy it is to take out a pve fit BC or even a BS in a pvp fit frigate. This is a fast and easy way to pick up ransoms. There are a few constalations with low sec loops of popular mission systems.
With friends one of you can be the dedicated scanner. Its not a glorious job but having one makes the process much faster. This spot is usually filled by an alt because everyone likes to get on the kill. Its a bit more difficult to take ransoms with multiple offenders because someone is sure to want the kill mail more than the isk. |
Praxis Ginimic
Whine T3ar Brewery
822
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Posted - 2014.07.08 22:10:00 -
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Cursed Prophet wrote:Seriously, you guys are awesome! And about the pirating.... I think i may give that a whirl! . For training though. I put my raven up for sale (hope it sells soon). I spent all my remaining isk on skill books (I have a total of 39,790isk left haha). I was missing some gunnery skills/thermaldynamics etc.. For gunnery though should I be training hybrids? I know the flavor of today could change tomorrow, but for effective PVP should I be going down medium projectiles. I'm still sifting through the forums, but a lot of the info i'm getting is 2-3yrs old. Dunno if it's still relevant. By far you guys are the best community out there. Can't wait to fight along side you, or blow you up or whatever
Medium rails/blasters and RLML are all over the place right now. Cruiser and frigate sized drone boats are in good shape too. I really like the rupture. It is not as flexible as say a vexor or an arbitrator but it still has a good handful of effective fits since the fitting requirements for AC are so low. The projection is good and you get to pick your damage profile but the dps on med ac is a tad bit anemic so I don't prefer them for solo. |
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