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KentachiSamurai	Posted - 2006.06.27 10:10:00 - [1] Ok, so we have recieved boosts on these modules to reduce the chance of effect from ECM jammers. The modules now apply a percentage boost, this now means that fitting a multi Spec ECCM backup module has no effect to sensor strengths other than the ships racial base sensor strength. It was my impression that multi spec backups provided sensor strength boosts to all sensor types so that if jammed by a racial jammer the pilot still had backup sensors to fight with. Obviously a 120% boost on 0... is 0 If this is the case I might as well fit racial ECCM backups just boosting my base sensor strength. So, am I understanding this right and if so are multi spec backups disfunctional? Your thoughts and advice please
Buraken v2	Posted - 2006.06.27 10:15:00 - [2] - Buy one - Fit it on ure ship - Undock - Activate - Rightlick on ure ship and see ure attributes - Tell us what happens. Quote: Mail from: Houvire Takaerne 2006.06.06 19:25 Our research has been fruity. If you're interested, I believe I have found what might be a banana in the corner of my office draw.
KentachiSamurai	Posted - 2006.06.27 10:38:00 - [3] Ok I'll stick with base moduels to avoid confusion. Using Magnometric sensor ship e.g. Megathron Fitting ECCM Magnometric I - provides a 80% Magnometric sensor boost (visable in ship info.) 21 Magnometric increases to 38 Fitting ECCM Omni I - provides an 80% boost to all sensor types (only Magnometric boost shows on info.) 21 Magnometric increases to 38 So in this case the Multispec Omni does exactly the same as the standard single sensor ECCM module. I was under the impression that a multispec ECCM backup would backup all sensor strengths. I think I remember it used to work but that was back when ECCM provided additonal points of sensor strength rather than a percentage.
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2006.06.27 10:41:00 - [4] Multipsec ECCM has been broken since the big EW overhaul a while back. It also used to be possible to boost your non-racial sensor type (ie fit gravimetric sensors on an Amarrian ship), but not any more. Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
Kay Han	Posted - 2006.06.27 10:43:00 - [5] Edited by: Kay Han on 27/06/2006 10:43:53 Originally by: Rodj Blake Multipsec ECCM has been broken since the big EW overhaul a while back. It also used to be possible to boost your non-racial sensor type (ie fit gravimetric sensors on an Amarrian ship), but not any more. It¦s not broken. It¦s good how it is. ships with gravimetric, should have gravimetric and not magnetometric for example. Nice boost indeed. Maybe i should fit some on my Scorp from now on ___________________________________________ A wise man said once: 'Violence is the escape of the mentaly poor guys.'
KentachiSamurai	Posted - 2006.06.27 10:44:00 - [6] Originally by: Rodj Blake Multipsec ECCM has been broken since the big EW overhaul a while back. Thanks, I was looking for a little confirmation.
Crange	Posted - 2006.06.27 11:19:00 - [7] Well fought an arbitrator with a rupture yesterday......first fight got jammed solid docked fitted 1 racial eccm. With it on he missed the first cycle then jammed me on and off for the rest of fight. So helps a little but you'll still get jammed alot.
Kay Han	Posted - 2006.06.27 11:59:00 - [8] Edited by: Kay Han on 27/06/2006 11:59:14 Originally by: KentachiSamurai Originally by: Kay Han ships with gravimetric, should have gravimetric and not magnetometric for example. I was under the impression that this was the reason behind ECCM Multispecs, to provide backup should your main sensor system be jammed, in turn giving a reason to use either racial or multispec jammers. Depends on your point of view i see ECCM multies as an option if you haven¦t racials to fit. So that you get at least an slight increase in your sensor strengh. they shouldn¦t give ladar bonus when you fly a Raven or Mega. (my opinion) They should give a lesser bonus then Racials. Racials 60% and Multies only 40% or 35% But yes.. it¦s depends from the point of view. ___________________________________________ A wise man said once: 'Violence is the escape of the mentaly poor guys.'
xenorx	Posted - 2006.06.27 16:41:00 - [9] Yes, the Omni is kinda wasted now that they went over to a percentage based system a few patches back. It would be nice if CCP would keep this percentage system they are currently using while re-introducing a mod that adds a set amount of another sensor type. This would allow a little more diversity in the game to be used against ECM. For example: 1.Geddon = 17 radar. 2.Add a ladar back up array that adds +5 points of lader to your ship in the low slot. 3.Add your 80% to all Omni ECCM This would give you a geddon with 30 points of radar and 9 points of lader. Considering that racial ECM before skills does -6 racial and -2 to all others it makes a bit of sense. A single racial ECM would have to defeat both the radar and lader to get a jam. Or they would have to correctly guess and get two correct jammers on target to get the jam. Just a thought No one can hear you scream in space, so just shut up and die already.
FawKa	Posted - 2006.06.27 17:41:00 - [10] Originally by: KentachiSamurai Ok I'll stick with base moduels to avoid confusion. Using Magnometric sensor ship e.g. Megathron Fitting ECCM Magnometric I - provides a 80% Magnometric sensor boost (visable in ship info.) 21 Magnometric increases to 38 Fitting ECCM Omni I - provides an 80% boost to all sensor types (only Magnometric boost shows on info.) 21 Magnometric increases to 38 So in this case the Multispec Omni does exactly the same as the standard single sensor ECCM module. I was under the impression that a multispec ECCM backup would backup all sensor strengths. I think I remember it used to work but that was back when ECCM provided additonal points of sensor strength rather than a percentage. Your raven has 0% ladar strength 80% bonus to 0% ladar is - 0% why do you want them all displayed, when the only one that gets a boots is the magnometric? FIX BEFORE FEATURE BRIGADE!
KentachiSamurai	Posted - 2006.06.27 21:48:00 - [11] Originally by: FawKa Your raven has 0% ladar strength 80% bonus to 0% ladar is - 0% why do you want them all displayed, when the only one that gets a boots is the magnometric? A good example of why you should always read the opening post

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