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Dramiel Vans	Posted - 2006.06.27 13:39:00 - [1] Just out of curiosity what would you pick for PvP and why? They both seem to have nice bonuses and slot layouts. The deimos has a nice drone bay but is slow, the zealot can tank very nicely I have heard, but a single tracking disruptor can make it useless and consequently you dead? Some opinions would be appreciated
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.06.27 13:40:00 - [2] Deimos is a pain to fly, gets owned a lot, but is great in the DPS department, and doesn't have a all too horrible tank. Zealot has speed, damage and tank. But has one big enemy and that's about every form of EW.
Jerick Ludhowe	Posted - 2006.06.27 13:44:00 - [3] Deimos is a better gang ship, zealot is a better solo ship. Deimos does more dps, zealot tanks better. Have not personaly flown either of them so I can't give you any first hand experiance as to how they perform. Either way try and figure out what kind of situations you will be using the ship in and make your choice based on that.
Captin Corsair	Posted - 2006.06.27 15:00:00 - [4] Both those ships are better in small gangs than anything else imo, get a few of these ships in a gang with a few intys/recons and you hav a very evil force that will take very few losses. To trackle proply they use all their mids up (ab/mwd scram and web) with no room for cap injector, so after theying been shooting and repping for a bit they are very suseptable to nos, which every funker seems to be fitting atm . If you intend to go solo for pvp a vagabond would be a better choice as the slots are far more flexable slots and of course its damned fast and uses weapons that dont use cap.
Crellion	Posted - 2006.06.27 15:24:00 - [5] Deimos is a Thorax with a bit more DPS and a bit less cap. It also has better base resistance to two damage types... not that impressive tbh. Zealot is nothing like an Omen. Same damage increase but a HUGE tanking difference and much easier to fit than a Deimos by .... 20 odd miles. I have flown both (a bit) and I consider Zealot to be right up there with Ishtar Cerb and Vagabond. Deimos is closer to a Munnin, better a bit than an Eagle or a Sacriledge for solo work but so cap sensitive that you can expect to lose A LOT of them .... Can you afford to? So: Solo Zealot is better usually. Group Zealot is better always (cause of range).
Steppa	Posted - 2006.06.27 20:41:00 - [6] Why bother with the deimos when the same skills will get you an Ishtar? You get to choose your damage type, your weapons don't use ammo or capacitor (leaving you to fit all nos or such in your highs) and the ship is simple deadly in a number of rolls due to it's hi-mid-lo slot spread.
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.06.27 20:51:00 - [7] Originally by: Crellion Deimos is a Thorax with a bit more DPS and a bit less cap. It also has better base resistance to two damage types... not that impressive tbh. Deimos has a better cap than a Thorax... 1100/268.00 vs 1100/393.00 --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Flash Landsraad	Posted - 2006.06.27 22:49:00 - [8] Edited by: Flash Landsraad on 27/06/2006 22:49:26 Zealot looks nice I think. Although I've never flown either.
Dramiel Vans	Posted - 2006.06.27 23:00:00 - [9] I had a look at the Ishtah and whilst it seems very nice, I am a little worried about my damage output. At the moment I only have drone interfacing 4, and hardly anything in the way of the new drone skills trained up. I will be getting T2 med drones in a few days however would this be enough without the support drone skills until I can train them up properly? I forgot to mention that I have HAC 5 so will get full bonuses on the HAC I choose.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.06.27 23:13:00 - [10] Originally by: Steppa Why bother with the deimos when the same skills will get you an Ishtar? You get to choose your damage type, your weapons don't use ammo or capacitor (leaving you to fit all nos or such in your highs) and the ship is simple deadly in a number of rolls due to it's hi-mid-lo slot spread. I'm sorry but just because they both use Cruiser V doesn't mean a player is equally suited to both. One uses drones, nos and ew trickery and the other is heavily dependant on blasters and nav skills for effectiveness. It's quite possible to be awesome in one and below par in another.

Isonkon Serikain	Posted - 2006.06.27 23:17:00 - [11] Practically speaking, I'd pick the one that is easier and cheaper to replace... Ison's notches more notches
Dramiel Vans	Posted - 2006.06.28 08:54:00 - [12] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Steppa Why bother with the deimos when the same skills will get you an Ishtar? You get to choose your damage type, your weapons don't use ammo or capacitor (leaving you to fit all nos or such in your highs) and the ship is simple deadly in a number of rolls due to it's hi-mid-lo slot spread. I'm sorry but just because they both use Cruiser V doesn't mean a player is equally suited to both. One uses drones, nos and ew trickery and the other is heavily dependant on blasters and nav skills for effectiveness. It's quite possible to be awesome in one and below par in another. This is exactly why I didn't at first think of the Ishtar. I wasn't sure whether my drone skills would be up to the task.
Jake Noble	Posted - 2006.06.28 09:24:00 - [13] Edited by: Jake Noble on 28/06/2006 09:25:11 Never flown a Demios. I fly a Zealot. I like it, works great with pulses +tank for close up nasties. But i prefer to fit beams and a MWD for long range. Get about 110km Optimul with beams and T2 ammo, rips friggies / T1 cruisers and generally anything with low em/ therm resistance to pieces. MWD gets about 1800m/s out of it (Which is faster than the Demios iirc). I like my zealot, but it hates EW... and vagabonds.
WiseMagic	Posted - 2006.06.28 10:15:00 - [14] Originally by: Crellion Deimos is a Thorax with a bit more DPS and a bit less cap. It also has better base resistance to two damage types... not that impressive tbh. Zealot is nothing like an Omen. Same damage increase but a HUGE tanking difference and much easier to fit than a Deimos by .... 20 odd miles. I have flown both (a bit) and I consider Zealot to be right up there with Ishtar Cerb and Vagabond. Deimos is closer to a Munnin, better a bit than an Eagle or a Sacriledge for solo work but so cap sensitive that you can expect to lose A LOT of them .... Can you afford to? So: Solo Zealot is better usually. Group Zealot is better always (cause of range). Zealot has same dmg increase as omen? Think my zealot has a higher dmg increase lol look at hac bonus. When lookinga t the bonus the Omen has no dmg increase because the dmg bonus is for the heavy assult cruiser lvl.
Dramiel Vans	Posted - 2006.06.28 17:48:00 - [15] Is the Ishtar any good for 0.0 NPCing?
Steppa	Posted - 2006.06.29 12:48:00 - [16] Originally by: Dramiel Vans Is the Ishtar any good for 0.0 NPCing? People will say that the raven is the best NPC ship in the game at the moment, but I disagree...mainly because I don't fly a raven :) I use my Ishtar for PVE almost all of the time. As a carrier pilot, I have, or nearly, maxed all the drone skills in the game. This, along with all the skills you need to get into HAC's to begin with, make the Ishtar more than capable at solo pve. In fact, I would argue that the Ishtar is better than the raven for two reasons. You don't have to carry and constantly refill ammo, and you get to the loot cans much much quicker. I hunt Serpentis space and have run into everything the game has as far as 0.0 npc'ing goes in that area, including officers and massive hauler spawns. The Ishtar, properly fitted, can not only handle these spawns, but be ready to engage pvp at the drop of a dime. Since the BPO situation sucks, they are radically expensive. I can remember when they cost less than 80 million :)
tomw	Posted - 2006.06.29 13:29:00 - [17] Originally by: Dramiel Vans Is the Ishtar any good for 0.0 NPCing? i npc in my pvp setup, only the larger 3 bs spawns manage to get through my shields before they die a horrible death. hostile enters local its fun to wait see if they warp in or move on. _______________________________________________ sorry i got DNA on your face
Dramiel Vans	Posted - 2006.06.29 20:34:00 - [18] Ok I'm pretty much decided on getting an Ishtar. Just a quick question though, what drone types do you people use on it? I will be getting the full drone bay bonus from HAC 5 so that gives me a lot of drone space to play around with. I will be able to use T2 medium drones in a few days, however it will take me quite a while to train for t2 heavies - are these needed? I would rather train the Recon skill to lvl 5 after I have trained all the new drone skills than train for T2 heavies tbh. Are you able to give me the setup that you PvP and NPC in Tomw? Or evemail me the setup if you don't want everyone on the forums to know?
The Judge	Posted - 2006.06.29 20:59:00 - [19] The zealot is a great npc'er as well. I use it for npc hunting in 0.0 (angel space) and have never had troubles with it. Have killed every spawn there is including officer/hauler. Plus the great advantage of no ammo costs.
ReePeR McAllem	Posted - 2006.06.30 04:39:00 - [20] Zealot rips up quite simply, its the only thing id fly. Very fast and nimble, my usual set-up is 4 Heavy Pulse II's, Web, AB II, Med Armor Rep II, Power Relay, 5 HS II's Does mega damage at a rapid rate and hits at good range and short... wicked Courage is rightly esteemed the first of Amarr qualities... because it is the quality which guarantees all others

Sexual Chocolate	Posted - 2006.06.30 04:43:00 - [21] Zealot is great if it's a beam setup for gangs. Having an 86k optimal really gives you alot of options. Deimos is great for close in work, and has the advantage of being able to switch damage types with drones. It's all for what kind of job you want.
Valea Silpha	Posted - 2006.06.30 06:52:00 - [22] I'd say the deimos can really deal out damage, but it can't take it. If you can drop on top of something you'll rip it apart. Aside from that i'd say the zealot every single time, just because it out tanks, and the damage isn't that much of a dip. But then again, the zealot is horrendously weak against ewar of most forms, and mini assault resists. <Hammerhead> TomB is doing the nerfing <Hammerhead> I just stand behind him, look at his monitor and shake my head


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