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Scarlet Allure
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Posted - 2006.06.27 19:57:00 -
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I am new to Eve as I have been playing for about a month. I am getting disillusioned, not because I donĘt like Eve, but because of my experiences with the community thus far.
My first character was a Minmatar. I wonĘt mention names as I honestly donĘt want to cause further drama to others but I joined a corporation after a few days. I was asked to come onto their Teamspeak server because it was supposed to ęmake gaming easierĘ.
I had trouble with Teamspeak because I am on a dial up. I had to constantly repeat myself because people were saying I was breaking up. There were a couple times that I was able to communicate really well when I was at my local broadband enabled coffee shop (this is why I think the problem was with my dial-up at home) but it is hard to talk much in a public setting like that. I did get some good help from the guys regarding game play basics which really helped me get past the initial learning curve.
Around two weeks into Eve, there was some talk on Teamspeak that really turned me off. I know I am a girl playing in a boys world (honestly, am I the only real girl in Eve?) and there is some stuff that I am willing to tolerate, but I knew that my current group was not really for me. I decided to 'fade away' and start over with a new character and find a new group.
I joined a new corporation. When they asked me to come on to Teamspeak, because of my prior experience, I lied and told them I was deaf (I know, I shouldnĘt have; but this is partially true as I do have about a 50% hearing loss). I didnĘt want to be badgered about coming onto Teamspeak all the time so I figured me being deaf would be a solid solution
This worked well and I was enjoying everything until I received an email from the corporation leader asking me to please not call people ęsweetieĘ or say ękissesĘ because it was causing issues with some of the guys on Teamspeak and he felt that they could get out of hand. I had no idea by saying ęthanks sweetieĘ to someone who gave me some upgrades would have been cause for lewd banter on their voice server.
Feeling somewhat irate and not wanting to spend months gaming with these people only to find out I have been the object of their jokes or lewd banter the whole time (yes I suppose I am a little insecure), I dropped the deaf act and confessed that I could hear and speak (note: IĘd only been in the corporation for a couple days at this point). I wanted to log into Teamspeak and make sure this was a corp I should be in.
When I logged into Teamspeak, the corp leader came on and rudely accused me of altering my voice and demanded to know why I was doing that. At first I had no idea what he was talking about. Apparently he thought I was doing something on my computer to change my voice. I tried to explain that I was on dial-up and I know it has effected voice communications before but he continued to accuse me (though before it was just hard for people to understand me sometimes; no one ever accused me of altering my voice before).
Needless to say, I am no longer in that corporation. I really havenĘt played for the last couple days as I am not sure what I am going to do at this point.
I hate to start over yet again, but if I do, this time I am creating a male character, avoiding Teamspeak, and telling everyone I am a boy. It just seems like that would be a lot easier.
My choices, continue as Scarlet Allure, start over as a guy, or just drop it. What would you do if you were me? Are there any other girls out there who have had to put up with this insanity?
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Rasitiln
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Rasitiln on 27/06/2006 20:01:56
sounds like your just hanging out with a bunch of retards tbh. Try finding a more mature corp.
oh and stop wasting your time with changing characters any corp you have to lie to is a waste of your time
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Splagada
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:05:00 -
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QFT...
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Tyto
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:08:00 -
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It saddens me to hear of the bad experience you had, but I think you would probably have had to endure similar in most MMOs. Eve is possibly a touch worse because it tends to appeal to blokes more than girls generally (at least compared to WOW for example).
It isn't you, it isn't Eve, it's idiotic men I'm afraid.
We have a real live girl in TNT (see you aren't the only one!), I think you need to find the right group of players in a corp. Finding a corp is a serious matter, and can have serious implications on your enjoyment (or otherwise) of this amazing game. Take your time, get to know the people, enjoy the story missions and finding your feet while you start networking.
I hope you find the right corp, it can't be fun right now.
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:09:00 -
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Scarlet, to kick things off, welcome to the EVE community. This isn't a guy's game, some of the best PvP'ers are females.
It sounds like you've had a bad run of luck. Just like any community, there are good people and some not-so-good people. Fortunately, the good ones outnumber the bad ones.
If you are looking for a friendly corporation, check out the Corp and Alliance Recruitment forum. Go through the posts, see if any strike your fancy, then open a dialogue with the recruiter. You might be pleasantly surprised.
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Tabet Saens
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:13:00 -
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**** em! Play as your current self. Keep your character, and find decent folks to play with.
I get really tired of folks who can't handle the fact that other folks:
1. don't want to use voice for whatever reason
2. play a character sex different from RL (what is the big deal here folks?)
I can tell you that what you've experienced is FAR different from what I've experienced in my 2 corps so far. I'm not in the same boat as you though. I'm a male RL, playing a female character. I didn't do it for the "free" stuff. In fact, just the other day, someone begged for stuff from me. LMAO! I hate beggars in whatever form they come in.
But it really peeves me when folks choose to "psychoanalyze" others by things they do in a game. It's lame.
I hope you find a decent corp to play with, and NO you should NOT have to start over to enjoy this game. Those ex-corp mates should be ashamed tbfh.
I do like voicechat though, and it does make certain things easier. I just can't understand why people would take something that could be used to enrich the gaming experience and turn it into a griefing mechanism.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:13:00 -
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Find Zajo or Kattius. They can help you with staying with Scarlet. 
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Khandrish
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:14:00 -
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I can understand your frustrations in dealing with a lot of this sort of...rubbish (just to be nice...) that tends to be the norm in online gaming. There are a lot of corps that either ignore or have the leadership actively engage in such activities...but there are corps out there that frown on such and attempt to create a much more positive atmosphere. I'm at work right now, and as such can't do much other then browse the forums during down time, but I'll eve-mail/convo you tonight and see what we can do about finding you a much more mature group of players.
As for changing your char, I wouldn't. As long as there have been females playing games there have been males pulling their immature crap...it won't ever change. I say stick to your guns, don't be ashamed of who/what you are, and simply tell anyone who takes exception to your being female to go straight to hell. I have many female gamer friends and all of them have gone through this to some degree or another...however it's been my experience that once they found the right crowd to hang out with, that respected them and treated them properly they were incredably happy that everyone knew they were a female gamer. On a side note there is nothing funnier then watching someone pick on a female gamer to have them find out that that there were 50 ****ed of guys backing her up.
ps. I'm sorry if my thoughts are jumping around a lot, I'm writing this in 30 second spurts between juggling 3 other things.
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Mtthias Clemi
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:21:00 -
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The second bit shocked me, ive had several girls in the corps i used to belong to and i talk to one of them regularly... you sound like a pleasent person. I suggest talking to Exelsior, you might be interested in his corp, One of the best people ive ever met. Otherwise, just keep at it mostly the community is great, although there are a few smaller pockets of bafoons and imbosiles..
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:22:00 -
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There are female eve players: I've run into a few in my time. Strangely, they've all been heavily PvP focussed, and damn good at it. 
They're pretty rare though, but I've not seen any real immaturity towards or around them though.
If your corp are being ****s about it, you are in the wrong corp. Find a new one, and if you are insecure, it might be preferable find one which already has one or more female members, so people are less likely to react weirdly.
Don't wipe your character just because there are some geeks who feel it appropriate to shoot their wad at being called sweetie. Its just too easy to laugh at them 
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Splagada
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:23:00 -
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you dont come from asheron's call do you? had a friend name SG(you'll recognize if it's you), i was BW there in case it's you
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Finix Jaeger
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: Finix Jaeger on 27/06/2006 20:28:01
First off, welcome to EVE. And no, you are not the only female around.
Asshats are unfortunatly in this game aswell its really not much you can do about it, some ppl get overly excited and sometimes rude when they find out that there might be a girl or two in the corp.
You shouldnt have to lie about your identity, I know that we have 2 females in Crisis-Corp and as far as I know we havent had any problems with that, not on TS or anywhere.
Dont give up because of a few bad eggs.
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Splagada
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:29:00 -
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sci fi game wiht ships that do pew pew can attract guys :D
dont blame the gender, blame the education!!
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:31:00 -
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Sorry for your bad experiences...
A HUGE part of enjoying EVE is finding the right corp.
Once you do, you'll know it, and you'll love EVE!
Hang in there...
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:32:00 -
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Yeah don't quit Eve because of the weaker end of the gene pool.
Feel free to look us up btw.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:33:00 -
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Welcome to EVE!
I guess you discovered that humans can be pretty intolerant. I am sorry you had a run in with some of the more intolerant ones.
Randuin MaraL had a nice bonmot in his sig: Don't fly with people you don't dying with.
Just find a corp that accepts you as you are. There are plenty of them around. It just might take a while to find the proper one.
Voice chat over dial-up is meh. EVE works pretty good, compared to quite a lot of other MMOG. I heard using Speex is easier on phone lines, but doesn't really help when you're in a fight.
Filters for changing the voice are easy to use. They have their use. Using them while you're playing EVE is kinda stupid because they eat a lot of CPU cycles, so they're more or less a no go.
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:34:00 -
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Just having some bad luck there Scarlet. Dont give up, there are plenty of more mature corps and players out there. Dont let these bad experiences turn you off from the addiction that is Eve.
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R3dSh1ft
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:34:00 -
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Our voice comms are not for the faint of heart :) but whenever a girl comes on there are a few naughty comments - all in good fun, of course. But there is a line and 99% of IAC know where it falls.
People will stop the nasty talk if you just tell them that you don't like it, and if they don't stop, find some cooler people to chill with.
Oh, and don't take it personally - preducide is a problem with the judger, not the judgee.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:36:00 -
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 Originally by: Scarlet Allure
I had trouble with Teamspeak because I am on a dial up. I had to constantly repeat myself because people were saying I was breaking up. There were a couple times that I was able to communicate really well when I was at my local broadband enabled coffee shop (this is why I think the problem was with my dial-up at home)
http://www.goteamspeak.com/index.php?page=faq&id=2&item=34#q34
http://www.goteamspeak.com/index.php?page=faq&id=2&item=4#q4
TeamSpeak is indeed an issue with dial up. You could try asking any corp you join in the future to try to set the codec accordingly, but unfortunately that will affect all users and speex 3.4 doesn't sound very good tbh.
Regarding the other issues... well, as some have already mentioned, starting over just because you don't fit in with a certain corp isn't really necessary. Also try being a bit more secure - it's easy to say, I know, but you don't really have anything to lose by telling the truth.
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Wrayth Osu
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:37:00 -
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EVE has by far the highest average level of maturity of any MMORPG, but there are still bad situations.
I'm very sorry to hear about yours. You are definitly not the only woman playing the game, I've run across several.
As others have said, find a more mature group. If all else fails, contact me in game and I'll see what I can do to help you out.
Wrayth Osu
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Justicas Herror
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:39:00 -
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I guess this whole situation comes down to the luck of who you first accociate with. I was lucky with my first corp; they were a nice bunch of folk. However, it seems like you got a bad experiance; don't let that put you off. EVE is a great game, and with a community (generally) better than most. The best thing to do would be to keep searching for a corp who have mature members. These are also the best corps for actually playing the game, I have found.
The thing that is odd to me is the lack of females who play EVE: in games like WoW it is something like 40%, and there is one MMO (can't remember, but its one of the larger ones) there are actually more females playing.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:40:00 -
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and there is one MMO (can't remember, but its one of the larger ones) there are actually more females playing.
Probably Second Life
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Zyper
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:44:00 -
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Biggest part (according to me) is the communication you have with your Corp and alliance (if in one), without that i would simply not play at all..
Its a waiting game - it all takes time and what better than chatting away with the people who are supposed to be your friends :) (in my case they are, there's never any negative chat in the corp channel and i doubt it's even accepted). A corp is there to motivate and help each other to have fun in this game.
If it takes 10 or more tries to find just that corp for you (and it easily could - a lot of people changed corporation really often at first) - noone will blame you. Just don't forget that in order to get "inside" a corporation and make friends with them you will have to give it some time, and ofcourse have a good mood.
Try not to throw out you are a girl until asked, the longer you wait the better really. Not because there is anythign wrong with it - but far too many ppl will change their attitude towards (not saying its negative - but they will suck up and stuff which makes it hard to get them to know because they are not really themselves towards you) you as soon as you tell them, while if you wait until they already know you as a person and friend it woulden't mean a thing at all.
But welcome to eve, if bad luck ever strikes you and you get blown down 5 times a row (or loose 6 battleships in a week like me:P), don't hesitate to ask your fellow eve players for ship fitting advises or a little ISK donation :)
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Justicas Herror
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
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and there is one MMO (can't remember, but its one of the larger ones) there are actually more females playing.
Probably Second Life
Could well be: just wondered why EVE seems so unpopular with one 50% of the population, and not the other.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Justicas Herror
Originally by: Bhaal
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and there is one MMO (can't remember, but its one of the larger ones) there are actually more females playing.
Probably Second Life
Could well be: just wondered why EVE seems so unpopular with one 50% of the population, and not the other.
Girls don't seem to be into SCI-FI as much...
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13th
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:48:00 -
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It's the luck of the draw, really.
You could end up in a corp full of immature chest beaters, you could end up in a corp with nice, considerate people. You will most likely get a mix of both.
There are groups out there that won't give you the same kind of crap that you've seen so far - just like in any game, it's all a matter of finding the right group to associate with.
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:53:00 -
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tbh just find good corp
most ppl wil be hapy to have girl in corp
and dont start over again
abaut ts
its good think when u pvp
but in mision runing or even mining tbh u realy dont need it
if corp will ask u to do that u dont want to do
just leave them tbh ...
in eve alot of good corps
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Kathas Rom
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:53:00 -
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Scarlet,
Just to repeat what has already been said, but don't change the character that you've worked at for a month just to satisfy a bunch of people who seem to have the maturity level of a randy head of cabbage. Unfortunatly, the reality of the internet is one of aninimity and not of responcebility. My fiance plays Eve as well as several other MMOs and she's run into uncomfortable situations in several games (we left WoW because of the "hey, a chixor...wanna cyber" mentality of the server we were on.)
My suggustion to you is to find another Corp and before you join, make sure that they know that you're on a dial up connection and any extra load on the bandwidth really is a problem. If they have a problem with that, then move on top another. I've only been with Eve-University for a very short time but, while they have requested Teamspeak useage, they have never required that we talk on it or even have a microphone. I'm sure with a little patience and determination, you'll find a corp out there that will fit you like a glove.
Good Luck 
Kathas
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Kylania
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:58:00 -
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Welcome to EVE! :)
First off, while it's sad you've had such problems you probably should rename this thread "Troubles on Teamspeak" since none of the problems you mentioned were really EVE related.
As others have said, sounds like you just found some really bad teenage corps to join. Most of EVE is mature enough to treat people better than the folk you've run into, please don't think we're all like that.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.06.27 21:04:00 -
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yeah this is all because of alts and everyone becoming overly suspicious
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