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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:53:00 -
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A shield tanker Minmatar HAC is really needed.
A more balanced HAC with better DPS for Caldari would br nice.
I dont play Gallente or Amar so these 2 suggestions are just guesses.
Maybe a smaller faster blaster boat for Gallente.
Maybe a missile boat for Amar.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Ghoest
Maybe a missile boat for Amar.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.06.27 20:58:00 -
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Well I would like see everyone suggestions. Especially for Amar and Gallente.
The lack Minmatar shield tanker is a real hole that Ill argue with anyone over. Other wise my opinions are rather flexible.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.27 21:06:00 -
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Vagabond sometimes shield tanks... 
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infraX
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Posted - 2006.06.27 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
A shield tanker Minmatar HAC is really needed.
I've seen some sick passive shield tanked Vagabond setups.
A more balanced HAC with better DPS for Caldari would br nice.
What's the problem with the Cerberus? It can even adjust damage type and range at will.
I dont play Gallente or Amar so these 2 suggestions are just guesses.
Maybe a smaller faster blaster boat for Gallente.
The Deimos could maybe do with a slight reduction in mass but it's not too bad tbh.
Maybe a missile boat for Amar.
And have all Amarrians crying that they have to train missiles to use their 3rd HAC? Just get a Cerberus.
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Forsch
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Posted - 2006.06.27 21:34:00 -
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They don't even manage to make two different amarr HACs, how would they ever come up with a 3rd that is not the same? 
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.27 21:35:00 -
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More DPS? 
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.06.28 00:39:00 -
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When I said a more balanced DPS HAC for Caldari I meant Rails not missiles - I forgot to mention that.
The Eagle has the same DPS as a Ferox - a lot of people dont realize that(be enough do that its rarelly flown except by gate snipers or with blasters.)
As for the Minm - you may have seen Vagabond passive tank build that was good for some uses but you give up a lot to get there 3 mid slots is a good shield tank for any normal usage.
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Jenney
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Posted - 2006.06.28 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
When I said a more balanced DPS HAC for Caldari I meant Rails not missiles - I forgot to mention that.
The Eagle has the same DPS as a Ferox - a lot of people dont realize that
The Brutix does about the same DPS as the Deimos if not more and the prophecy does about the same DPS as a zealot so whats the big deal about the eagle not out damageing the ferox.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.06.28 04:28:00 -
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^ Think harder as you read. There is nothing bad about the Eagle. Its a great sniper and a nifty blaster boat.
My point is Caldari dont have a rail boat that has decent DPS.
Really the problem is there are no Shield tank gun boats with good DPS.
Shield tankers should get at least one normal HAC.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.06.28 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
^ Think harder as you read. There is nothing bad about the Eagle. Its a great sniper and a nifty blaster boat.
My point is Caldari dont have a rail boat that has decent DPS.
Really the problem is there are no Shield tank gun boats with good DPS.
Shield tankers should get at least one normal HAC.
So basically you want a Sleipnir in HAC size?
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The MelonMan2
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Posted - 2006.06.28 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Maybe a smaller faster blaster boat for Gallente.
They have one its called the Deimos
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Audri Fisher
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Posted - 2006.06.28 05:47:00 -
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Most vagas I have run accros shield tank becuse there are much fewer resistance holes to plug.
High DPS caldari HAC?
Double optimal range bonuses aren't for sniping silly, they are for using antimatter at obscene ranges. 
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.06.28 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Ghoest
^ Think harder as you read. There is nothing bad about the Eagle. Its a great sniper and a nifty blaster boat.
My point is Caldari dont have a rail boat that has decent DPS.
Really the problem is there are no Shield tank gun boats with good DPS.
Shield tankers should get at least one normal HAC.
So basically you want a Sleipnir in HAC size?
That'd be nice. I mean if you look at it our bonuses are best suited to shield tanking. But all of our hacs are gimped when it comes to shield tanking.
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Darpz
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Posted - 2006.06.28 05:57:00 -
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what they should of did with t2 crusiers is do what they did with frigs
have a FAST slightly more durable than t1 version (Vaga with interceptor type resists)
and have a Slightly slower but alot more durable (Assault Ship resists but between a BC and cruiser for agility)
2 of each for each race
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.06.28 08:47:00 -
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What I'd like to see is faction assault frigs and hacs. The assault ships have been out long enough that the pirate factions I'm sure could have stolen enough of them to start making their own prototypes. But make those bpcs LP offers only and announce it as part of kali. You'd see a huge amount of people agent running for the pirate factions and engaging in factional warfare.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.28 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
A shield taker Minmatar HAC is really needed.
Vagabond
Originally by: Ghoest
A more balanced HAC with better DPS for Caldari would br nice.
The Cerberus needs a good nerfing (long-range weapons, close-range DPS) but that will probably happen when Assault Missiles make it in and it finally has close-range weapons with close-range dps.
The Eagle is the best sniper in game. You get to pick one of these options: range, high DPS or alpha strike. The Eagle got range.
Originally by: Ghoest
Maybe a smaller faster blaster boat for Gallente.
Or just fix the Deimos and allow it to become the true blaster boat it was born to be.
Originally by: Ghoest
Maybe a missile boat for Amar.
Then support my suggestion to turn the sac into a missile spammer, one that has gotten almost universal support from the amarr forum spammers.
So really, no new HACs are needed, it's just that the Deimos and Sac still need ravamping.
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FraXy
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Posted - 2006.06.28 09:36:00 -
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I don`t care what the Sacrilege got in highs aslong as the damn thing can tank.
At the moment Eagle tanks better due to 25% shield resist bonus and does way more damage along with the ability to fit damage mods.
More tanking bonus' and i`ll be a happy tanker.. 
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.06.28 09:41:00 -
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I'd like to see the Eagle go from a 4/2 hardpoint split to 5/1, hell even 5/0 would be fine. If you want missiles, you have the Cerberus, there's no reason the Eagle needs two launcher slots.
Hell, the HARPY has four turret slots (which is perfect), there's no reason for the Eagle not to have more.
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.06.28 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Ghoest
A shield taker Minmatar HAC is really needed.
Vagabond
Originally by: Ghoest
A more balanced HAC with better DPS for Caldari would br nice.
The Cerberus needs a good nerfing (long-range weapons, close-range DPS) but that will probably happen when Assault Missiles make it in and it finally has close-range weapons with close-range dps.
The Eagle is the best sniper in game. You get to pick one of these options: range, high DPS or alpha strike. The Eagle got range.
Originally by: Ghoest
Maybe a smaller faster blaster boat for Gallente.
Or just fix the Deimos and allow it to become the true blaster boat it was born to be.
Originally by: Ghoest
Maybe a missile boat for Amar.
Then support my suggestion to turn the sac into a missile spammer, one that has gotten almost universal support from the amarr forum spammers.
So really, no new HACs are needed, it's just that the Deimos and Sac still need ravamping.
The Cerberus in fact has about 350 max DPS with 3 bcuII with Scourge missles all skills maxed... This is not comparable to short range DPS on HACs by a long way... Still its a lot compared to Iron on rails but ok compared to Spike on rails on an Deimos or even tech II long range ammo on a Munnin .... and they do insta damage ...
Sarmaul is just launching a pre-emptive strike against the notion of Cerb with new short range heavy missle/assault rocket being competitive.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.28 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Crellion
The Cerberus in fact has about 350 max DPS with 3 bcuII with Scourge missles all skills maxed... This is not comparable to short range DPS on HACs by a long way... Still its a lot compared to Iron on rails but ok compared to Spike on rails on an Deimos or even tech II long range ammo on a Munnin .... and they do insta damage ...
Sarmaul is just launching a pre-emptive strike against the notion of Cerb with new short range heavy missle/assault rocket being competitive.
It's comparable to a close-range missile ship vs a close-range turret ship. Missile ships do less damage than turret ships (except when using specialist t2 missiles) but they get the advantage of always hitting.
In all honesty I can't wait for assault missiles for my minny cruisers as there are some good setups that need the extra PG and heavy launcher dps without bonuses sucks. However, in it's current form the Cerberus will be way too overpowered (double range and damage bonus on close-range high-damage missiles).
Anyway, tux himself has said that the Cerb's bonuses will need to be looked at when assault missiles make it in :)
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Fan3Spoitoru
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Posted - 2006.06.28 12:07:00 -
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im still waitig for them to fix the nighthawk.. so is gonna be a long way...
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Jaketh Ivanes
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Posted - 2006.06.28 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
The Eagle is the best sniper in game. You get to pick one of these options: range, high DPS or alpha strike. The Eagle got range.
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Hmm.. where is the 4th one? THe Amarr one. Range is caldari (rails), dps is gallente (blasters) and alpha is minmatar (atilleries).. Guess Amarr is staying power?
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.28 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: Sarmaul
The Eagle is the best sniper in game. You get to pick one of these options: range, high DPS or alpha strike. The Eagle got range.
Hmm.. where is the 4th one? THe Amarr one. Range is caldari (rails), dps is gallente (blasters) and alpha is minmatar (atilleries).. Guess Amarr is staying power?
Blasters are a close-range weapon system so their inclusion in a comparison with rails, lasers and artillery is wrong.
DPS: Beams
Range: Railguns
Alpha: Artillery
FYI, this doesn't apply to close-range (autos, blasters and pulses) turrets.
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WiseMagic
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Posted - 2006.06.28 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: WiseMagic on 28/06/2006 13:30:53
Edited by: WiseMagic on 28/06/2006 13:29:28
Originally by: Jenney
Originally by: Ghoest
When I said a more balanced DPS HAC for Caldari I meant Rails not missiles - I forgot to mention that.
The Eagle has the same DPS as a Ferox - a lot of people dont realize that
The Brutix does about the same DPS as the Deimos if not more and the prophecy does about the same DPS as a zealot so whats the big deal about the eagle not out damageing the ferox.
Dono but my zealot kinda does more DPS than my prophecy now my absolution will have more DPS than my zealot. Don`t think the extra turrets on the prophecy makes that much aof a diff because its lacking the dmg and refirerate bonus like the absolution.
But to get back to the question about if there should be a 3rd HAC for each race I would have to say no. Whats the point have 2 HACS already and if u want nething else then train for the command ship.
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Jerick Ludhowe
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Posted - 2006.06.28 13:31:00 -
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I say ballance the current HACs before adding any new ones.
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Sandra Tseng
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Posted - 2006.06.28 13:58:00 -
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Heavy Assault Cruisers are not supposed to be "balanced".
They are supposed to be highly specialized.
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SunTzuCsu
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Posted - 2006.06.28 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
A more balanced HAC with better DPS for Caldari would br nice.
You joking right, Cerberus has insane damage output.Some ppl just like to speak.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.06.28 21:02:00 -
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Im not saying any of the HACs we have are bad all.
I am saying if your a gun user who uses shields there are no good gunship HACs.
The Vaga may be used as a shieldtanker but its still a weak tank - the ship is obscenly fast which is great but if makes many trade offs for that.
The Cerebus is a great shield ship but its not for a specialized gun user.
The only T2 shield tanked normal gun ships in the game are Command Cruisers. There great but how about a HAC for those type players. It should definetly have less fire power than a BC but but more than an Eagle.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.28 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
The Vaga may be used as a shieldtanker but its still a weak tank - the ship is obscenly fast which is great but if makes many trade offs for that.
All it needs is a large t2 extender and a small gistii booster. The rest of the damage is "tanked" by avoiding getting hit in the first place :)
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