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Systemoverride	Posted - 2006.06.28 21:38:00 - [1] i was wondering if apocs cna handle l4s nemroe been about 6 months since i hopped in one....if so could i get a setup that works
Devoras2	Posted - 2006.06.29 01:06:00 - [2] Edited by: Devoras2 on 29/06/2006 01:12:19 Originally by: Systemoverride i was wondering if apocs cna handle l4s nemroe been about 6 months since i hopped in one....if so could i get a setup that works They can, to a limited degree. Just harden up for the dmg type your up against. Best to do is click repackage, sell the apoc, and get a Raven. It does lvl 4 missions way better...sadly enough for the apoc edit: Lastly for doing lvl 4 missions, the choice to selsct dmg type is a must. Unfortuantly for the apoc, lasers are only EM/thermal which most lvl 4 mission rats are insanely tanked up against (90% EM 70-80% Thermal) Thats one of the reasons why Ravens are the typical lvl 4 mission runner ship, cause they can choose dmg type and still keep a decent tank. And they call me slow.... hey! Thats an insult!
Qutsemnie	Posted - 2006.06.29 03:00:00 - [3] Edited by: Qutsemnie on 29/06/2006 03:00:34 Its not that "most level 4 rats are insanely tanked against [EM/therm]" its that most level 4 rats in caldari space are insanely tanked against em/therm. You have to make sure your working for the right empire. Working for the amarr youll see a steady stream of sanshas where you see guristas in caldari space. And surprise. Amarr rats in amarr missions tend to be more vulnerable to EM and do damage on armor tanking resist. This is a pattern I have only recently become aware of but generally speaking battleships are at their level 4 best against level 4s in empire and no where can this be seen as strongly as in contrasting an apoc in amarr space versus an apoc in caldari space. The other empires are somewhere in the middle of those. Serpentines from gallante space are generally doable they are certainly less resistant then guristas to EM. So anyway im just saying if your going to level 4 in a ship that cant change damage types its ultra critical that you tune into the common rat for the missions you want to work. The raven is obviously insulated from this in a big way with total flexibility in damage type. But on the other end is the apoc which has no flexibility and must depend on a metagame. Here go down the list and tune into the sanshas which are the common rat mission in amarr space: http://eveinfo.com/missions/210/ You will run into the missions that are common to all but those dont tend to be ultraresisting heavy tanks.
Inara Tam	Posted - 2006.06.29 07:05:00 - [4] Of course the way around the problem of being stuck with EM/Ther damage... Train large projeciles
Systemoverride	Posted - 2006.06.29 22:04:00 - [5] appreciate the insight but can i also get a working setup as inw orking i mean no thoerys no i dont fly it but this hsould work etc...stuff annoys me when i see people who have never flown a ship before giving u setups lol.......ne help is appreciated =)
ReePeR McAllem	Posted - 2006.06.30 22:58:00 - [6] I had a good apoc set-up when I had barely enough skillz to pay the bills for lvl 4's: High: 5 Mega Pulse's 3 Large Nos Med: AB Web 2x Cap Recharger I Low: 2x Accom Vest Large Armor Rep's Two Active Hardiners (find out which you need for selected mission prior to taking the 'bad boy' in) Three Cap Power Relays (Swap one out for active hardiner if npc's do more than two dmg types) Now its a real nice way to fit with low skills and if your not willing to spend tens of millions on parts. You can run weapons and the two reppers constantly with the NoS going, without the nos can run one constantly with weaps. Stock full on med drones to deal with the interceptors- leave them till last and then eventually with drones and a bit of angular velocity skills can kill them. Worked fine for me Courage is rightly esteemed the first of Amarr qualities... because it is the quality which guarantees all others
Novarei	Posted - 2006.06.30 23:03:00 - [7] Originally by: Inara Tam Of course the way around the problem of being stuck with EM/Ther damage... Train large projeciles /cry --------------------
ReePeR McAllem	Posted - 2006.06.30 23:25:00 - [8] Originally by: Novarei Originally by: Inara Tam Of course the way around the problem of being stuck with EM/Ther damage... Train large projeciles /cry lol might as well train up some Minmatar or Caldari Command skills... Lasers are fine, if your going to fly an amarr ship, fly it like one! Courage is rightly esteemed the first of Amarr qualities... because it is the quality which guarantees all others
StinkFinger	Posted - 2006.07.01 01:43:00 - [9] Use an absolution....tanks better then a raven and does enough dps. --
Azmodaus	Posted - 2006.07.01 02:02:00 - [10] Edited by: Azmodaus on 01/07/2006 02:04:37 I've ran lvl4's in a raven, dominix, megathron, and apoc (on my alt) and I must say that IMHO, the dominix is the best mission ship I've had experience with. Great tanking, drones rock now with good skills, and with the big drone bay you can customize the type of drone/damage/drone size depending on what target your trying to kill. The raven is great as well but your sort of married to whatever setup you're using. Most of the time you have to make due with cruise missiles against cruisers and frigs which isn't ideal. Mostly due to operational costs of the raven, all those missiles get pretty expensive. On top of all that the dominix is 2/3's the cost so if you lose it its much easier to replace So to the OP, you can probably make due with an apoc, but its far from an ideal lvl4 mission bs and you'll be forced to pass on quite a few missions that the other well known mission bs's can handle quite easily. Remember, running lvl4 missions has more to do with killing speed than anything and the apoc just doesn't kill stuff fast enough due to the damage types done by lasers. My suggestion is to start training up galenti bs or caldari bs. I know this isn't the answer you were looking for but thats the best solution.
Wodin Drukvik	Posted - 2006.07.01 02:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Devoras2 Edited by: Devoras2 on 29/06/2006 01:12:19 Originally by: Systemoverride i was wondering if apocs cna handle l4s nemroe been about 6 months since i hopped in one....if so could i get a setup that works They can, to a limited degree. Just harden up for the dmg type your up against. Best to do is click repackage, sell the apoc, and get a Raven. It does lvl 4 missions way better...sadly enough for the apoc edit: Lastly for doing lvl 4 missions, the choice to selsct dmg type is a must. Unfortuantly for the apoc, lasers are only EM/thermal which most lvl 4 mission rats are insanely tanked up against (90% EM 70-80% Thermal) Thats one of the reasons why Ravens are the typical lvl 4 mission runner ship, cause they can choose dmg type and still keep a decent tank. Rather unfortunately, this is the answer I have to give as well. For quite a while I was stubborn and disagreed - I thought I could make it work. I went for a Geddon instead, but it didn't work nearly as well as I expected and missions were slow and plodding. For comparison, my buddy in his Raven blasted through L4s in short order, fast enough to get a Navy Raven before he hit 3M SP.
Commander Thrawn	Posted - 2006.07.01 02:57:00 - [12] my current setup is high 6xheavy modulated beams, 2xcruiser launcher med 3xcap rechargers, sensor booster low LAR2, MAR2, 1600 tungston, 3xhardener(what ever the npc)cap recharger Basicly warp to 100km, kill the tacklers and then tank the rest as they aproche
Commander Thrawn	Posted - 2006.07.01 03:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Wodin Drukvik Originally by: Devoras2 Edited by: Devoras2 on 29/06/2006 01:12:19 Originally by: Systemoverride i was wondering if apocs cna handle l4s nemroe been about 6 months since i hopped in one....if so could i get a setup that works They can, to a limited degree. Just harden up for the dmg type your up against. Best to do is click repackage, sell the apoc, and get a Raven. It does lvl 4 missions way better...sadly enough for the apoc edit: Lastly for doing lvl 4 missions, the choice to selsct dmg type is a must. Unfortuantly for the apoc, lasers are only EM/thermal which most lvl 4 mission rats are insanely tanked up against (90% EM 70-80% Thermal) Thats one of the reasons why Ravens are the typical lvl 4 mission runner ship, cause they can choose dmg type and still keep a decent tank. Rather unfortunately, this is the answer I have to give as well. For quite a while I was stubborn and disagreed - I thought I could make it work. I went for a Geddon instead, but it didn't work nearly as well as I expected and missions were slow and plodding. For comparison, my buddy in his Raven blasted through L4s in short order, fast enough to get a Navy Raven before he hit 3M SP. lol 3mill sp doing level4 is just not fair lol. i have more then that in gunnery alone and the apoc is a challenge
ReePeR McAllem	Posted - 2006.07.03 00:50:00 - [14] Originally by: Commander Thrawn Originally by: Wodin Drukvik Originally by: Devoras2 Edited by: Devoras2 on 29/06/2006 01:12:19 Originally by: Systemoverride i was wondering if apocs cna handle l4s nemroe been about 6 months since i hopped in one....if so could i get a setup that works They can, to a limited degree. Just harden up for the dmg type your up against. Best to do is click repackage, sell the apoc, and get a Raven. It does lvl 4 missions way better...sadly enough for the apoc edit: Lastly for doing lvl 4 missions, the choice to selsct dmg type is a must. Unfortuantly for the apoc, lasers are only EM/thermal which most lvl 4 mission rats are insanely tanked up against (90% EM 70-80% Thermal) Thats one of the reasons why Ravens are the typical lvl 4 mission runner ship, cause they can choose dmg type and still keep a decent tank. Rather unfortunately, this is the answer I have to give as well. For quite a while I was stubborn and disagreed - I thought I could make it work. I went for a Geddon instead, but it didn't work nearly as well as I expected and missions were slow and plodding. For comparison, my buddy in his Raven blasted through L4s in short order, fast enough to get a Navy Raven before he hit 3M SP. lol 3mill sp doing level4 is just not fair lol. i have more then that in gunnery alone and the apoc is a challenge Id love to see a 3m SP char solo a lvl 4 mission in a raven and not get blown to hell ... I find it unlikley though Courage is rightly esteemed the first of Amarr qualities... because it is the quality which guarantees all others

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