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Death Rayy
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:07:00 -
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G'day All,
Spies in Eve how do we find them and stop them?
Alt characters are the worst my best mate is a member for huzzah and his alt live's in BoB.
A torn Alliegance? yes, no? we don't know.
All we know is this "alt" thing is a problem that drive's many poor, often war decced alliances into the ground and into paranoia.
What can be done to regulate alt's to save the innocent?
Any thought's community of eve?
But then again spies are usefull atleast that is the claim of TBB as they TBB, lay the blame on there pos and bpos yard downfall entirely on the work of internal spies networking for MC within their alliance. "C'mon blue give MC credit they don't need spies to exterminate you just dreads"!! 
Well eve should we start regulating the identity of alt characters or allow player freedom to reside?
You tell me,,
Regard's Death Rayy. former E-uni TBB and suspect spy for MC
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D1ABOLIST
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:12:00 -
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Most alts in other corporations arent alts as such, meerly 2nd accounts, so there would be no way to regulate them. Spys are fairly good, but tbh I don't think theyre as common as people think, sure they exist and their value is high, but they don't pose no major threat to anyone.
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Alzion
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:13:00 -
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Its pretty easy to weed out alts with the proper tests. But, if someone wants to commit a fully skilled character to spying there isn't a whole lot you can do.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Death Rayy
But then again spies are usefull atleast that is the claim of TBB as they TBB, lay the blame on there pos and bpos yard downfall entirely on the work of internal spies networking for MC within their alliance. "C'mon blue give MC credit they don't need spies to exterminate you just dreads"!!
No 'spies' played any part in our planning or actual attacks on TBB, just lots of strontium.
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Tsukiko Kuro
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:23:00 -
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Edited by: Tsukiko Kuro on 29/06/2006 13:23:54
Originally by: Alzion
Its pretty easy to weed out alts with the proper tests. But, if someone wants to commit a fully skilled character to spying there isn't a whole lot you can do.
I think it has become more common after CCP allowed GTC for ISK, for any corp, and commie-style corps in particular, can easily pool ISK to buy GTC for accounts dedicated to spying. And thus not need to rely on anyone to fork up $ for it.
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Death Rayy
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:25:00 -
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Its pretty easy to weed out alts with the proper tests. But, if someone wants to commit a fully skilled character to spying there isn't a whole lot you can do.
Correct.
No 'spies' played any part in our planning or actual attacks on TBB, just lots of strontium.
Sorry to the TBB no one is that interested in you.
Paranoia is a common condition treated by straight jacket's and frontal lobe labotamies. hehe
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Death Rayy
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:39:00 -
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cool responses in my thread so far good work guy's!
If I were a spy would I admit that "NO"!!
Number ! rule of spying do not admit you are a spy..
as per hollywood movies.
But if I was to be contacted in game and asked would i commit a fully skilled spy to work for a corp or alliance with worhty cause,, well i'd think about it if the isk were right and the cause honorable. but then again i am not a career spy at least i don't think so hmmmm...
Maybe I'm spying on me
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Herra B
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Posted - 2006.06.29 14:33:00 -
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I want to start by stating that I have absolutly no connection to tbb except now its much more fun to fight with them than against them cause, to be honest, 90% of corps/alliances in the area is camping the gates in bwf. Hence, all the targets a noob like me could ever wish for.
Right, thats out of the way...
You claim that you are a spy, wth you think you learned by going through e-uni training program? Hmm, well you could have noted the e-uni size and strength. Jeeze dude, think its easyer just to ask them.
After our little chat this morning I realized that you are one of the lamest player types in eve. You sit all day at a ss and smack local with your superman complex. You even took some time to check if my home system, Airaken(0.5 sec), would be in danger of beging overtaken by your "employer".
And further more the reason Airaken is not beging overtaken is that its not on the plan atm!
I dont know if i should laugh or cry or ...?
And your threat of informing your empoyer about me is just silly, at best.
If your going to sit at your ss the least you can do is keeping your fingers away from the keyboard when the local chat window is active.
Sorry for this rant, im just a noob taking my first steps in eve and a little irritated atm because i sank knee deep in mud.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2006.06.29 14:50:00 -
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sure they exist and their value is high, but they don't pose no major threat to anyone.
I disagree. They do pose a major threat to anyone. They get into your alliance chats, they get into your gangs, into your teamspeak and into your head. A good spy in a gang/TS will wreak havoc on your tactics and give the enemy a huge advantage in any even sided fight. Once this happens often enough moral plummets as frustration about not being able to do anything about it takes over. I have seen alliances crumble as a result, and it has nothing to do with how good they are or how careful they are about sharing information. When any member of a 100 man gang could be feeding info to the enemy there is literally nothing you can do to prevent it, your only hope is to have a counter spy in their gang which inevitably leads to a stalemate.
Spies are one of the things that ruin this game, and while there's no easy way around them there's also no denying that they can cause a lot of damage with absolutely no risk.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.06.29 15:48:00 -
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Edited by: thoth foc on 29/06/2006 15:48:08
Originally by: Death Rayy
G'day All,
Spies in Eve how do we find them and stop them?
Alt characters are the worst my best mate is a member for huzzah and his alt live's in BoB.
A torn Alliegance? yes, no? we don't know.
All we know is this "alt" thing is a problem that drive's many poor, often war decced alliances into the ground and into paranoia.
What can be done to regulate alt's to save the innocent?
Any thought's community of eve?
But then again spies are usefull atleast that is the claim of TBB as they TBB, lay the blame on there pos and bpos yard downfall entirely on the work of internal spies networking for MC within their alliance. "C'mon blue give MC credit they don't need spies to exterminate you just dreads"!!
Well eve should we start regulating the identity of alt characters or allow player freedom to reside?
You tell me,,
Regard's Death Rayy. former E-uni TBB and suspect spy for MC
i dont believe any alliance has no spies in most other alliances, either official or unofficial *coughs* Seleene
most ppl have more than 1 char, and some ppl even have friends.. most of these float about the eve political landscape, not always intentionally as spies.. but in the end i doubt anyone really cares.. Spies only really benefit the stronger alliances and even that is mostly only in reducing the moral of the weaker alliance..
I cant say i would agree with taking spying the step further into "sting" operations with long term sting operations aimed at theft.. political spies i wouldnt care much about..
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Tarn Star
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Posted - 2006.06.29 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
No 'spies' played any part in our planning or actual attacks on TBB, just lots of strontium.
Probably true, but not the whole truth eh?
Defense must be a different matter. So many times when our fleets were aligned to warp for attack, countdown to warp, HOLD their fleet warped off, or HOLD they reinforced or whatever. This happened so much it was painfully obvious for the people in the fleets.
Tarn
No Sig Here, move along....
How did that get there!?!?
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Witch Doctor
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Posted - 2006.06.29 16:43:00 -
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Well, that's nothing more than having a covert watching you guys. As soon as you align to our position, we were on the move or reacting. Frankly, that's bad FCing if you are not expecting us to have eyes on you when you align.
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logosfold
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Posted - 2006.06.29 16:53:00 -
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There is a way round the problem. CCP should make it so only characters that are activly training and have been training for 24 hrs or more can post for a start and TBH I wouldn't mind if non training characters couldn't play as well!
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Dirtball
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Posted - 2006.06.29 17:44:00 -
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1. buy char off forum
2. buy gtcs
3. play spys just enough to make them seem like actual individuals
Give ts and gang movement info to people that you like for free and they love you forever.
They are also a great tool to buy cheap hacs/dreads/carriers/bs and resell them. Usually its only takes about 2 hac sales to pay for abuot 3 months of play time.
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eagleknight
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Posted - 2006.06.29 18:19:00 -
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Spies we don't need no stinkin' spies !
The best way to make sure some one is not a spy is to make them send a pic of their char screen then you know at least who the alts are.
Secondly if you have a spy that is not a fleet commander it should make no difference in what the fleet does , but maybe the folks I fly with are weird only FC's and scouts talk rest of the gang is STFU so there is no miss communication.
And finally who flamin cares if there is a spy ,IT'S A DAMN GAME , try to have fun finding the spies, feel honored that alliance/corp X thinks they need to know your inner workings and such you gotta understand there is no WINNING in eve, it's like life it keeps going(Remember bob you can't win)victory is a personal goal that no one else may consider a victory.
SPIES ? who cares, have fun ,peace
Shiva Dances, Creating and Destroying in a single step |
Robert Dobbs
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Posted - 2006.06.29 18:22:00 -
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Just.. don't go shouting your plans / tactics to everyone in your corp/alliance and you'll be fine.
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Farjung
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Posted - 2006.06.29 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tarn Star
Originally by: Seleene
No 'spies' played any part in our planning or actual attacks on TBB, just lots of strontium.
Probably true, but not the whole truth eh?
Defense must be a different matter. So many times when our fleets were aligned to warp for attack, countdown to warp, HOLD their fleet warped off, or HOLD they reinforced or whatever. This happened so much it was painfully obvious for the people in the fleets.
Tarn
If you're going to base your fleet ops out of POS which anyone can find rather than multiple safespots, your enemies are able to watch you extremely easily. Tip for the future ;).
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:52:00 -
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The constant threat of spies makes things interesting from a corp management perspective. It really separates the good corp leaders from the bad ones.
If your corp keeps getting robbed and/or is always infiltrated with spies then that means that you probably have a bad recruitment policy.
There is no way to prevent 100% of the spies/theieves from getting in, but there are lots of ways to limit the damage they can possibly do as well as weed out 95% of the malicious people before they get in.
Shamis
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Romulus Maximus
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Posted - 2006.06.29 22:16:00 -
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Assume ur enemy already know ur plans. They probably do !! And if they dont its a bonus.
Current RKK Ranking: (AMM12) Vice Admiral - 700 kills
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2006.06.29 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Farjung
Originally by: Tarn Star
Originally by: Seleene
No 'spies' played any part in our planning or actual attacks on TBB, just lots of strontium.
Probably true, but not the whole truth eh?
Defense must be a different matter. So many times when our fleets were aligned to warp for attack, countdown to warp, HOLD their fleet warped off, or HOLD they reinforced or whatever. This happened so much it was painfully obvious for the people in the fleets.
Tarn
If you're going to base your fleet ops out of POS which anyone can find rather than multiple safespots, your enemies are able to watch you extremely easily. Tip for the future ;).
What he said, if you are gonna sit at a POS then you can pretty much expect someone to be watching you, as already said we DID NOT have spies in your corp or alliance we just had very good scouts.
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Ab Initio
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Posted - 2006.06.29 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
No 'spies' played any part in our planning or actual attacks on TBB, just lots of strontium.
There are no spies / alts in EVE.
P.S. Seleene, check corp chat, someone is asking for you.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.06.30 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ab Initio
Originally by: Seleene
No 'spies' played any part in our planning or actual attacks on TBB, just lots of strontium.
There are no spies / alts in EVE.
P.S. Seleene, check corp chat, someone is asking for you.
That was in Alliance chat and it's all sorted now.
We were talking about this in TS tonight and a comment was made that I found rather funny yet true - "Hell, I've got friends in <insert alliance name>. If we need to know something, I usually just open a convo and ask."
It's a pretty true statement. The usefulness of spies in EVE is usually limited to specific goals. I tend to find out more chatting on MSN or in game in 15 mins with various people than bothering to mess with alts and spies, etc...
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Tarn Star
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Posted - 2006.06.30 06:56:00 -
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Just wanted to say Thank for teaching me two things.
1. You don't necessarily need spies to get intel
2. Keep my battle inexperienced mouth shut :)
Tarn
No Sig Here, move along....
How did that get there!?!?
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.06.30 07:40:00 -
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How do I know that BoB is the best fleet force and Shrike the best fleet commander in the game?
Because I've sat listening to live TS streams of every other major alliance and pvp force in the game.
However safe you think you are, you aren't.
The best spies are the ones in so deep you'd never even consider them to be a spy and stopping them is impossible.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Nebba Kenezzer
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Posted - 2006.06.30 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
How do I know that BoB is the best fleet force and Shrike the best fleet commander in the game?
Because I've sat listening to live TS streams of every other major alliance and pvp force in the game.
However safe you think you are, you aren't.
The best spies are the ones in so deep you'd never even consider them to be a spy and stopping them is impossible.
dbp
You need some spies in Shinra then.
Nebba - The Vocal Majority
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:02:00 -
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WTS: tinfoil hats,
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What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?!
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Tsukiko Kuro
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
WTS: tinfoil hats,
Some new jokes please, tinfoil hat (same with the BoB/MC/ISS alt joke etc.) was old and boring months ago.
You need to be of Monty Python class if youre gonna be able to repeat a joke forever, neither of you are.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
You need some spies in Shinra then.
nah, have flown alongside shinra so dont need no spies there :p
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tsukiko Kuro
Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
WTS: tinfoil hats,
Some new jokes please, tinfoil hat (same with the BoB/MC/ISS alt joke etc.) was old and boring months ago.
You need to be of Monty Python class if youre gonna be able to repeat a joke forever, neither of you are.
orly?
I post what I want to, as long as its allowed by form rules, and repeat jokes for as long as I like, no alt gonna tell me what to do, 
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:35:00 -
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Spies exist, assume they are always there and plan accordingly, even use that fact for disinformation or to act as a feed to the enemy.
On TS have your commanders and scouts listenting on one channel whilst talking to the fleet on another, in fact the commander can lay a general battle plan and then keep the tartget details to themselves unti you're dropping out of warp. Don't align out your POS but use multiple safe spots nearby for example.
If you plan for spies being in your gangs and always having a covert at your POS you'll be fine.
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