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Titania Hrothgar
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.20 11:49:00 -
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I am fairly new to this game still... out of the almost 12 months, I've only played a couple of them.
One thing I don't like about this game is the Local channel. I wish it worked like the Corp channel does.
In Corp, only those who speak show up in the little list. Out of a hundred and 15 in my corp, I at most see 4 names.
In Local, the moment someone warps into the sector I see their name, portrait, and the number of people in Local goes up. Isn't there any way to maintain radio silence? What if I wish to venture through low sec without having my radio on? Everyone knows to use Local to know RIGHT when someone warps in or out. Without even having any scanning skills what so ever I know immediately how many ships are in any sector and the names of all the pilots.
I think Low Sec would be MUCH better and enjoyable if not only GOOD people could sneak in and out, but if PIRATES could as well. It would also be more realistic.
Anyway, that's my opinion. Some will like it and some won't. Don't really care either way. It won't change how I feel :)
Titania Hrothgar |
woe kitten
DaGi Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.20 11:57:00 -
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I agree. I also remember that such thing was being developed half a year ago, no idea how far it got. Life is a game. You either win or you lose.-á |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.11.20 11:58:00 -
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from your lips to the gods' ears... |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
23
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Posted - 2011.11.20 11:58:00 -
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gah, forums got ganked.... disreagard the double post.
actually, wait... does this forum-ganking thing occur when two people try to reply to a thread simultaneously?? say it isn't so.... |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
920
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Posted - 2011.11.20 12:13:00 -
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nah |
Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
169
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Posted - 2011.11.20 12:20:00 -
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[quote=Titania HrothgarAnyway, that's my opinion. Some will like it and some won't. Don't really care either way. It won't change how I feel :)[/quote]
I have my opinion, i don't care what other say, i don't care about reasoning, i don't care if i didn't think this through, i don't care that i have no clue about what's REALLY happening, i just have my opinion and my opinion is right.
That's what dumb people say quite often.
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DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
362
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Posted - 2011.11.20 12:30:00 -
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Just a friendly reminder that CCP are planning to remove local's intel properties in nullsec (and possibly lowsec) systems. It will be replaced with another intelligence tool, however. No, D-Scan doesn't count. Too much clicky clicky clicky and not enough usability or shiny.
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=946
I thought this was going to come for Winter, but CCP's redirection has changed that. Maybe it was Summer 2012 all along, however. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
920
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Posted - 2011.11.20 12:36:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Just a friendly reminder that CCP are planning to remove local's intel properties in nullsec (and possibly lowsec) systems. It will be replaced with another intelligence tool, however. No, D-Scan doesn't count. Too much clicky clicky clicky and not enough usability or shiny. http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=946I thought this was going to come for Winter, but CCP's redirection has changed that. Maybe it was Summer 2012 all along, however.
And it's never been followed up on in any recent dev blog since then. |
non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.20 12:59:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Just a friendly reminder that CCP are planning to remove local's intel properties in nullsec (and possibly lowsec) systems. It will be replaced with another intelligence tool, however. No, D-Scan doesn't count. Too much clicky clicky clicky and not enough usability or shiny. http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=946I thought this was going to come for Winter, but CCP's redirection has changed that. Maybe it was Summer 2012 all along, however. I should read that blog a few more times I don't actually see them say they're going to remove local channel. Just ways to improve handling intel, time invested in intel and how up-to-date the intel is. Do they actually say they'll remove local? Or are you just reading more into it? :P |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
340
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Posted - 2011.11.20 13:02:00 -
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Working as intendedGäó
No problem detectedGäó Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
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Titania Hrothgar
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.20 16:29:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Titania Hrothgar wrote:Anyway, that's my opinion. Some will like it and some won't. Don't really care either way. It won't change how I feel :) I have my opinion, i don't care what other say, i don't care about reasoning, i don't care if i didn't think this through, i don't care that i have no clue about what's REALLY happening, i just have my opinion and my opinion is right. That's what dumb people say quite often.
Yes, they do say that quite often :) I have heard dumb people say that many times.
I went ahead and fixed your quoting error. Dumb people mess up quoting a lot. Titania Hrothgar |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.20 16:43:00 -
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Local really should be replaced by constellation chat. There would be more people in the chat then. That in turn would just perhaps increase the chances of some player to player communication/interaction/whatever. Local chat compartmentalises people too much, especially in low sec where you might have only a soul or two, a handful at most, per system.
Before that some other type of intel gathering system should be created that, with skill and dedication, allows you to find out who/what is in the current system other than you.
Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Laboratories Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
Russell Casey
One Ton Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2011.11.20 16:52:00 -
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Andski wrote:DarkAegix wrote:Just a friendly reminder that CCP are planning to remove local's intel properties in nullsec (and possibly lowsec) systems. It will be replaced with another intelligence tool, however. No, D-Scan doesn't count. Too much clicky clicky clicky and not enough usability or shiny. http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=946I thought this was going to come for Winter, but CCP's redirection has changed that. Maybe it was Summer 2012 all along, however. And it's never been followed up on in any recent dev blog since then.
Yeah.... Guess this proves CSM are botters. Because only bots need local to be safe. |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.11.20 17:43:00 -
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Andski wrote:DarkAegix wrote:Just a friendly reminder that CCP are planning to remove local's intel properties in nullsec (and possibly lowsec) systems. It will be replaced with another intelligence tool, however. No, D-Scan doesn't count. Too much clicky clicky clicky and not enough usability or shiny. http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=946I thought this was going to come for Winter, but CCP's redirection has changed that. Maybe it was Summer 2012 all along, however. And it's never been followed up on in any recent dev blog since then. It's only been 3 months. The follow on discussion on the subject of 0.0 intel is quite enlightening. CCP Grayscale apparently plans to switch all local to delayed mode (including empire).
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
921
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Posted - 2011.11.20 19:08:00 -
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Russell Casey wrote:Andski wrote:DarkAegix wrote:Just a friendly reminder that CCP are planning to remove local's intel properties in nullsec (and possibly lowsec) systems. It will be replaced with another intelligence tool, however. No, D-Scan doesn't count. Too much clicky clicky clicky and not enough usability or shiny. http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=946I thought this was going to come for Winter, but CCP's redirection has changed that. Maybe it was Summer 2012 all along, however. And it's never been followed up on in any recent dev blog since then. Yeah.... Guess this proves CSM are botters. Because only bots need local to be safe.
You understand that any mechanic that requires intel to be "active" would make botting even more efficient than human-at-the-helm ratting, right?
0.0 will become a ghost town populated solely by bots and a handful of people who still have the initiative to live there with their ISK making alts running L4s in empire. |
Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.20 19:36:00 -
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Andski wrote:You understand that any mechanic that requires intel to be "active" would make botting even more efficient than human-at-the-helm ratting, right?
Are you implying that the removal of local would make botting easier? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
921
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Posted - 2011.11.20 19:50:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Andski wrote:You understand that any mechanic that requires intel to be "active" would make botting even more efficient than human-at-the-helm ratting, right? Are you implying that the removal of local would make botting easier?
I believe that is exactly what I explicitly said, without a hint of subtlety, yes. |
adopt
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2011.11.20 20:58:00 -
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Nope. Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled. |
Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2011.11.20 21:06:00 -
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Do NOT remove or delay local. It will cause nullsec to become a wasteland where only the biggest alliances play (And rarely actually fight because they have more than enough territory to charge extreme prices to defend)
You diddn't get your golem kill. Boo hoo. Nobody in nullsec is going to line up and put a bullseye on for you. Join a fleet and get into a battle and stop trying to kill nullsec to pad your solo kill numbers. |
Jita Alt666
562
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Posted - 2011.11.20 21:36:00 -
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Delayed/removed local is not good for causal fun fast PVP |
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Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
155
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Posted - 2011.11.20 22:08:00 -
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Removing local is probably the most stupid idea ever.
If you remove local, people won't be able to find fights. The fact that local is used as the sole intel tool is the problem, not that local exists. Not only that, but in order to engage in pvp, it will require MORE WORK. If they decide to remove it, there better be a much better system in place to help find fights and alert people of who's around first.
People who campaign for this "no local, switch to w-space style local" seem to think that this will turn space into a PvP paradise. They're wrong as it will only make it easier to gank people, not engage in combat. Combat will be less and the game will be even slower pace than it is now.
Not to mention that in k-space, you can warp cloaked and light a cyno. The ability to do these two things makes a system without local imbalanced.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
923
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Posted - 2011.11.20 22:25:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Not to mention that in k-space, you can warp cloaked and light a cyno. The ability to do these two things makes a system without local imbalanced.
You can light cynos in w-space, although you won't have anything jumping to it :v
But yes, you're right, delayed local in nullsec is dumb |
Bischopt
Ice Fire Warriors
12
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Posted - 2011.11.20 22:26:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Delayed/removed local is not good for causal fun fast PVP
This.
It's already incredibly difficult to find someone to fight and messing with the local channel would only make this even more difficult. There would be so much pointless directional scanning even when there's nobody there to scan. |
Titania Hrothgar
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.11.21 00:15:00 -
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Where do people fight solo? I never see it. Anytime I venture into low sec I see groups of pirates charging in to gank anyone who pops up on low sec. It's like a ravenous feeding frenzy. They rush in for that two seconds of thrill and then go back to their endless watching of local.
Too hard to find a fight? Patrol. Form fleets and start wars.
Also I find it impossible to believe that people can't find fights. Today a group of pirates came into Abdabun and suicide ganked several mining barges. Over and over they brought in Thrashers and laid waste to everyone. Not only that, but gate camping happens far too often at Amake. (please excuse me if I spelled those systems wrong) So I don't buy that a fight cannot be found unless they have local.
Local is too powerful a tool and it makes no sense to have. And by your reasoning, it seems that pirates simply want kills handed to them on a platter. I don't mind being killed. I don't mind a good pvp. I just don't think that I should have to send communications to all the pirates alerting them that I'm going to cut through their space. I don't think I owe it to them.
I do venture into low sec occasionally.... when I need to. You know, at 5am on a weekday morning. Without local I could do so more often. Titania Hrothgar |
THXBYE
Elite War Squad
5
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Posted - 2011.11.21 00:19:00 -
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No because that way I cant run away from evil people when Im ratting.
So no. |
Titania Hrothgar
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.11.21 03:31:00 -
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At the very least then the option for "Show Info" should be removed. If someone wants to see me standing, rank, corporation, description, and everything else that it shows, they should come and find me.... if they can.
Titania Hrothgar |
The Offerer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2011.11.21 05:14:00 -
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Titania Hrothgar wrote:I am fairly new to this game still... out of the almost 12 months, I've only played a couple of them.
One thing I don't like about this game is the Local channel. I wish it worked like the Corp channel does.
In Corp, only those who speak show up in the little list. Out of a hundred and 15 in my corp, I at most see 4 names.
In Local, the moment someone warps into the sector I see their name, portrait, and the number of people in Local goes up. Isn't there any way to maintain radio silence? What if I wish to venture through low sec without having my radio on? Everyone knows to use Local to know RIGHT when someone warps in or out. Without even having any scanning skills what so ever I know immediately how many ships are in any sector and the names of all the pilots.
I think Low Sec would be MUCH better and enjoyable if not only GOOD people could sneak in and out, but if PIRATES could as well. It would also be more realistic.
Anyway, that's my opinion. Some will like it and some won't. Don't really care either way. It won't change how I feel :)
There is a place called Wormhole Space. If you like no-local, you have an option to live there. I hear the ISK and PvP is pretty good there as well (for those who like PvP-ing and making ISK without local).
Current lowsec and 0.0 local is another option for players that like to play it the other way.
Btw. being a new player in this game, as you said, leads to the conclusion that you don't see all the implications on the game if this gets changed. |
Amro One
One.
28
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Posted - 2011.11.21 05:55:00 -
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Then OP will come on about how hes always getting ganked and not knowing whos in system and CCP need to make some thing that tells you because cloakers are evil ppl.
moron.
Bring Back WiS, then who cares about undocking. I can mine shot glasses. |
Titania Hrothgar
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2011.11.21 13:47:00 -
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Amro One wrote:Then OP will come on about how hes always getting ganked and not knowing whos in system and CCP need to make some thing that tells you because cloakers are evil ppl.
moron.
Bring Back WiS, then who cares about undocking. I can mine shot glasses.
Wrong.
Titania Hrothgar |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
575
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Posted - 2011.11.21 14:09:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Removing local is probably the most stupid idea ever.
If you remove local, people won't be able to find fights.
Yeah, this explains perfectly why there hasn't been a single fight in wormhole space yet. We can't find anyone to fight, at all. There's absolutely no tool available to help us probe out where enemy ships are, or to even directionally scan a heading and distance and use a little intelligence to gleam where they may be discretely.
Oh the inhumanity!
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
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