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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.03 05:12:00 -
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TTI despises Jade more than anyone in the game, I expect. Tebren is TTI. So...one should expect him to be complimentary?
Interesting; (having just reviewed the thread where "Tebren" writes so scathingly) I am encouraged to find a number of later replies from Taggart personnel full-willing to accept my words there at face value. Chaps willing to look forward not back, and dashed nice in their followup commentary.
I'm touched.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.10.03 11:16:00 -
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So you agree with me. You just don't want to give Jade her props for doing an effective job for her part.
I am not going to get into a long quote war as it is clear that you misunderstood me (and maybe I misunderstood you too).
I am not denying Jade did a good job and got 'results'...
The whole reason I got involved at the end of this thread was reading through it (as someone outside the conflict but with an eye for PR) Jade was coming across increasingly arrogant and ungracious when she clearly had her 'victory'.
Maybe there is some professional jealously at play here or maybe it's human nature to try and bring people down a peg or two if they appear too successful. Maybe it is a British thing to chuck tomatoes at anyone they think is getting above themselves (i.e. David Blaine  ) but Jade was to some extent setting herself up on a pedestal here.
I am not denying that she did a good job or get results but there are ways of getting those reults without looking like an arrogant ****.
Some of her comments, responses and 'demands' are infantile at times... and occasionally very patronising too...but as you said she was getting hit from all sides so maybe that is understandable.
Jade adds a lot to this game and I wub reading the majority of her posts. I would be very sad if she ever left...
...but she does need to get off the ego trip and count to 10 before she posts sometimes. (i suppose that can apply to all of us sometimes )
People like gracious losers but they like gracious winners even more.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.10.03 11:52:00 -
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People like gracious losers but they like gracious winners even more.
I would like to think that the NVA will prove to be just that in the coming weeks. New corporations formed from TTi splinter groups have not been hounded down or picked on. Now that terms have been agreed M3G4 will be allowed to rebuild their corporation and reputation in peace. I am sure the same thing will happen with TTi now that our primary war objectives (principly acknowledgement of our sovereignty there) have been met. Once you leave behind claims that the war has been nothing more than a witch hunt or some sort of marxist conspiracy you are left with the truth - that the NVA is a free thinking, a reasoning and a democratic organisation opposed to piracy. Those who have left behind such preconceptions, such as the new TTi hierarchy, have found us nothing but reasonable.
Considering the circumstances none of our 'demands' were unreasonable or infantile and were merely chosen to ensure long-term peace and not just another pause in an everlasting war. I firmly believe that both sides now see this and that negotiations for the formal closure of the war will be successful.
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Max Johnson
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Posted - 2003.10.03 12:40:00 -
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Oh I love everybody this morning, never fear, its still a lovely day. I haven't a care in the world m'dear. The war is finished and the next stage of the game is ready to begin.
very well said Jade I must agree. While I still find a very slight tone of bitterness in your writting, its nice to see you can write something adult and look to the future again, something which you are more than capable of but infrequently excercise.
And I agree, I think we have all learnt a valid lesson keeping an eye on the events in Venal.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.10.03 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 03/10/2003 12:58:45
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Considering the circumstances none of our 'demands' were unreasonable or infantile and were merely chosen to ensure long-term peace and not just another pause in an everlasting war.
Maybe they weren't Athule... but reality is often different to perception.
And it was my 'perception' reading this thread that a lot of salt was being rubbed into wounds in what seemed a very ingracious way.
Maybe that was not Jade's intent (and it is quite reasonable at the moment of victory to feel a little righteous glee at the predicament of your former enemies) however that is the way it came across and I was not the only one who noticed it!
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.10.03 13:16:00 -
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... but reality is often different to perception.
And it was my 'perception' reading this thread that a lot of salt was being rubbed into wounds in what seemed a very ingracious way.
I agree, but it is a predicament that is impossible to avoid. I hope that there are 2 lessons that can be learnt by everyone from the events of the last few days:
1. Corporations need to think very carefully before committing to a full scale war.
2. There is no humiliation in accepting reasonable terms - the worst thing a corporation can do is enter a war they cannot reasonably expect to win, and then refusing to see when the time has come to cut your losses.
TTi and (especially) M3G4 have a lot to prove, but we do too. An honourable, fair and permanent conclusion to the war is very much in our interests. The NVA does not exist to wipe corporations off the map or to put corporations in a position where they tear themselves apart from within. Should we unhappily be forced into another full-scale war (I see anti-pirate operations continuing in Pure Blind for the short term future at least) I would hope that if we again are on the winning side peace can be agreed upon sooner and with less damage to the loser than has been the case this time.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.03 14:32:00 -
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Max
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While I still find a very slight tone of bitterness in your writting ...
I assure you there is no bitterness in my heart and no intention to place it in my writing. We have had a jolly good war and its over. Courage has been proved, valiant deeds have been done, and now, there really are no villains left on the board from the past conflict.
Its a new game starting, stupid to look at the past with anything but entertained distraction.
Sportsmenship and good taste is everything when the scores are tallied and discussions move to the clubhouse.
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[looking to the future] something which you are more than capable of but infrequently excercise.
I beg to differ; but then we have very different perspectives. I would remind you though that consistant NVA policy through the past conflict has been to reform and evolve political paradigms to engineer a more favourable environment for corporate interaction and political process. The declaration of NVA principles was a landmark step. In the future when we perhaps reveal a little of what went on behind the scenes such things will become quite apparent.
But as my colleagues have noted; sometimes the job of PR rep is an ardous and thankless one ... sometimes it is neccessary to get one's hands dirty to really drive a point home.
But please don't believe this some petty power-trip or arrogant fancy. Nailing a PR objective is just the same as making sure an enemy battleship is webbed, jammed and dead. If you are going to start a thing; you owe it to yourself and your companions to see it through.
Half-hearted commitment is often worse than no commitment at all, and sportmanship in this context means playing hard and full-tilt because thats what you owe to your team.
Re my comments on the chap you quoted I'd say only this; that I think tempers got too frayed for a bit on the out-of-character perspective, and some have perhaps made wrong assumptions of my personal objectives agenda, but hey, arguing the toss is a little pointless ... future actions will prove or disprove these things more convincingly than mere words ever could.
So,
Game on!
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NPDefender
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Posted - 2003.10.04 05:38:00 -
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M3G4 is now Biomass Cartel, don't be tricked Till the stop the old players doing the say thing, they are still to be held for what Biomass does.
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Christopher Xen
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Posted - 2003.10.04 10:02:00 -
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Well in response to that last post,
1. we have no immediate intention of finding biomass and huning them down one by one.
2. on the eve they stole everything they were all fired having stolen 20 million(Darwin) and the bps from most our stations.
3. There is NO contact nor plans to contact biomass.
4. A driving force that they did this was a missunderstanding, there was no proof of what smoked did or didnt do.
5. Also even if lies were not told to most people about what was elegedly done by corp leadership the post war reformation prolly would have drove many out anyway.
6. Any activity they preform that can be in the slightest way interpretted as piracy, the are condemned.
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