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NoHawker
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Posted - 2003.09.30 00:52:00 -
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CCP promised that EVE will not be a level tread mill, oh ôhow they lied to usö or oh ôhow wrong they whereö. ItÆs not leveling for skills any more itÆs leveling for ISK. CCP biggest mistake was making players think that Battleships are affordable and in an arms length away. You can do ità you too can fly a Battleship today!
You know one of USA best cruiser class cost 1 billion dollars to build and millions of dollars to operate. If we built Battleships today, god knows how much those beast will cost. In history I learned that the arms race in the early 20th century for the biggest baddest Battleship fleet was going to ruin nations economically. To save them selves form this insanity they agreed to an armistice where they would cease building new Battleships and have a set ratio for each nation super power. We here at EVE are experience the same kind of destructive pattern and itÆs hurting the average gamer the most.
In order to compete in EVE one must fly a Battleship or less face certain destruction shall you encounter a power player in his Scorpion. You live fight and die in your ship and when you die in a Battleship you pay the ultimate price, that price is hours upon of hours of fattening your wallet with such boring task as chain farming, trading or mining. Joy! What fun! This is what you get for just trying to keep up.
CCP should considered an entirely radical form of ownership in EVE, radical only in game not real life economies. Tier 4 cruiser cost 1 billion ISK BUT!, and yes ladies and gentlemen there is a but, you have several options of acquiring your new avatar on thrusters. Just like home ownership or car loans we have pay up front and then there is weekly billing. Pay 3% upfront with an agreed upon interest rate and weekly billing and your new cruiser shall be yours. YouÆre paying to own your ship just as you fly to earn a living in it. Getting delinquent with your bills, why the bank shall come reposes your pride and glory. Fear not pay of your debt and your ship will be in your garage where she belongs.
The beauty part isà you can never lose your ship, well not really any ways. If it gets blown up in battle you get a replacement from your friendly insurance provider. Thus now when engaging in murdership of your fellow EVE dwellers you need not worry about over bearing consequences of losing a fight. No more rat race for you friend! No more ISK leveling and perhaps now you can actually enjoy the game and get on with your chosen profession rather then farm or mine for replacement parts.
Battleship will cost around 10 billion ISKà hey maggot these ships where going to bring economic ruin to the mightiest of nations, donÆt tell me you think every one should own one? Empires and the richest corporations should be the only ones who can afford these mega ships. Look at it this wayà oh how sweet it is when you vanquish your foes battleship with a quick and precise strike of Cruiser and/or frigate wings. Foe in question will need to wait days if not a week or two till their insurer replaces their Battleship. Attrition any one? Yep itÆs real.
You may have question on how this will all work and I already have the answers, just too lazy to offer rebuttals before their needed.
What are you going to do?
I'm going to kill them all sir |
Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.09.30 01:04:00 -
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I wrote an essay to try and make you understand.
I just realised how totally futile it is.
G'day.
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Roba
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Posted - 2003.09.30 01:07:00 -
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F that idea buddy! Anyway the game has already started and there is no changing stuff on that kinda scale. Sorry.
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BoBoZoBo
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Posted - 2003.09.30 01:10:00 -
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Keep the Battleships expensive...that way you have a little ship diversity.
You dont want every dam person flying battleships do you...then you will really hear some *****ing about homoginization
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.09.30 01:42:00 -
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You'd turn every ship above frigate into a mining vessel.
Stupid costs = nobody willing to risk the loss.
Perpetual payment? Then the only thing a battleship would be good for is the fact it can have 6+ mining lasers so people could work everyday in the mineshaft to make the payments.
Please go away now. You make Jebus cry (adult, not baby).
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Naht
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Posted - 2003.09.30 02:40:00 -
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To save them selves form this insanity they agreed to an armistice where they would cease building new Battleships and have a set ratio for each nation super power.
Assuming that youÆre referring to the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922 and if I remember my history lessons correctly:
The limitations of the same armistice caused one of the allies from WWI to feel slighted at their allocation of naval production. Drum roll please...
It was Japan. Guess what happened next. 
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NoHawker
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Posted - 2003.09.30 03:01:00 -
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Stupid costs = nobody willing to risk the loss.
There is nothing to risk once you have your ship. If your ship is destroyed you get it back at no cost to you. Insurance at work here.
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Perpetual payment? Then the only thing a battleship would be good for is the fact it can have 6+ mining lasers so people could work everyday in the mineshaft to make the payments.
You can purchase the ship out right at full cost if you wish. Naval ships are very expensive there is no way going around it. Making weekly payments of your cruiser is possible even for the most mediocre freelancer out there and if they canÆt afford a cruiser they got frigates they can fly.
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Assuming that youÆre referring to the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922 and if I remember my history lessons correctly:
The limitations of the same armistice caused one of the allies from WWI to feel slighted at their allocation of naval production. Drum roll please...
It was Japan. Guess what happened next
Yes Japan attacked USA because of oil and because they knew we will stick out nose in their business in the pacificà and they where right.
Basically the ideal behind this ideal is to eliminate the ISK leveling. EVE is always a game about accumulating ISK to purchase expensive ships and toys just to keep up with the power gamers, exploiters or corporations. I heard one of CCP crew that there are too many people flying in Battleships and they need to add more expensive things for us to buy. Rat race squared.
Frigates will be in fashion and lesser then Tier 4 cruisers will be seen and used. Agents may be able to cut special deals on you or heck maybe even give out a free cruiser from any Tier level to you further diversifying whatÆs flying out there. ItÆs ridiculous that there are more Battleships then there are frigates in EVE.
What are you going to do?
I'm going to kill them all sir |
Asmodia
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Posted - 2003.09.30 03:24:00 -
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I the people would read the 'whiner' posts and the changes with the last patch. this problem is on the way to be fix.
Megacyte shortage: the result of this is that the cost for a Battleship will be raising. more then 20% of the cost are Megacytes.
Redusing the Shieldhardeners. If the people look on them they wil lsee that there where a cut. What is the consequences of this ? The battleship will be much easier to destroy as before. with the right Hardeners a BS was nearly undestructible for cruisers and ....Frigates. also the update of the missles will help to fix this. the numbers of losses will be increase and the replacement will be more hard and expensive.
The damage of all weapons were increase or they were improved. So the losses of ships will anyway be more higher when before.
Stronger NPC. the firepower, strengh and tactic was really strong improved. result will be more losses ..... hard to replace ...
I hope i am not so wrong but maybe a Gallante is not so bad in this combat 'stuff' 
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Khonsu
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Posted - 2003.09.30 03:26:00 -
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There is nothing to risk once you have your ship. If your ship is destroyed you get it back at no cost to you. Insurance at work here.
Ah cool! It doesn't cost anything to insure, and you automatically get 100% back? Jeez, didn't know that.
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Aronis Contar
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Posted - 2003.09.30 04:46:00 -
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When I started playing the game, and read the description for the Moa, it said that you need to have a good standing with the Caldari State to get one. I assumed at that point that you need a kind of "license" to fly a certain ship type, and that this license is bound to your relation with the building faction.
Turned out that everyone can grab a blueprint and start manufacturing and selling. Everyone and their granny can buy and fly a Moa, even if they have -10.0 standing with the Caldari State and Navy.
A bit weird really, but now it's too late to change. I wouldn't want to loose my Apoc because I only have 0.94 standing with the Amarr Empire.
Ciao, Aronis!
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Agent Red
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Posted - 2003.09.30 04:54:00 -
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NoHawker ... just lazy?
kthx
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NoHawker
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Posted - 2003.09.30 18:14:00 -
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NoHawker ... just lazy?
kthx
agent red
Agent red ... just trolling?
k i thought so 
This system doesn't make owning ships easier in fact it makes it harder, but what it does do is free you from ISK leveling once you acquired your ship.
Battles will also be more frequent now that you can actually afford to fight. Lose your cruiser then wait a day or two for replacement.
Greater ship diversification. We will see more frigates and cruisers from all Tier classes flying about. Some people got excellent deals they just can't pass up for that Tier 2 or Tier what ever cruiser and a few just can't afford cruisers so they fly frigates.
This is better then all the BB BS I see out here.
What are you going to do?
I'm going to kill them all sir |
Main
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Posted - 2003.09.30 18:20:00 -
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You live fight and die in your ship and when you die in a Battleship you pay the ultimate price, that price is hours upon of hours of fattening your wallet with such boring task as chain farming, trading or mining. Joy! What fun! This is what you get for just trying to keep up.
Not when your smart enough to buy insurance.
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.09.30 18:21:00 -
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I don't believe people actually bothered arguing this thread  .
(Ignore me  )
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Anna Heart
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Posted - 2003.09.30 18:26:00 -
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*pukes* looks back up at the essay that started this whole thing *pukes* again. You are looking to make a second Ultima Online, where in about 1 month you can hit the highest possable point in no time. Otherwise yes big bad Bob who's been playing since the dawn of time will kick your, hey look at that butterfly, and you'll whine cause you lost to someone who put more time and effort into his game. It's like anything in combat when one guys bigger then you, guess what, they are bigger then you. The balance is as follows Bigger / numbers / Tactics. any of these can work. I've seen a pck of kestrel take a fully loaded apoc to it's knees. so shut up and close that whining trap of yours. Oh if I see you in game consider yourself podded. 
InfiniCorp, Lunatic at Arms
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.09.30 18:31:00 -
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*catches the puke on a bucket and then turns it upside down on NH's head*
Had to. Couldn't resist the urge .
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Darth Tom
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Posted - 2003.09.30 18:44:00 -
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There is nothing to risk once you have your ship. If your ship is destroyed you get it back at no cost to you. Insurance at work here.
O-kay.
So all those modules you fit are covered by insurance? Even the rare pirate loot?
Didn't think so.
WhiteDwarf? Is that you in there?
Cheers,
TOM
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