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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3250
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Posted - 2014.07.16 22:49:00 -
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Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:Was it a mighty display of this "tolerance" which killed her, hmm?
Pretty sure it was a projectile, actually.
Anyways, the OP is pretty sound. I think Placid should be able to vote.
Vote for secession! To Ishukone. Naturally.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer
~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
543
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:06:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:Was it a mighty display of this "tolerance" which killed her, hmm? Pretty sure it was a projectile, actually. Anyways, the OP is pretty sound. I think Placid should be able to vote. Vote for secession! To Ishukone. Naturally.
TO ISHUKONE!!!!!!
......Wait, that's not right.... What was it? Ah, yes...
TO CLAUDIA!!!!!!!
The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
Evictus.
1
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Posted - 2014.07.17 18:27:00 -
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Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:Karynn Denton wrote:Jinari Otsito wrote:I still don't get democracy. A significant chunk of dirtsiders, spacers and eggers are idiots and deficient in some way. Why would you ever entrust something as important as governance to these people? Let those who have earned it lead. If they're not good enough, time will show that rather sharpish.
Popular votes lead to people like Heth grabbing the reins because they were flashy and got the masses of morons blubbering for them. Using that as a system of governance is quite demonstrably insane. And as far as I know, the average Federal citizen or politician doesn't have access to elders, Khargai or Shamen to impart the councel and wisdom of their ancestor spirits... how can you have effective decision making without them? I agree, Pilot Otsito; it is an insane system. Gallentean democracy is the idea that the impulse or uninformed opinion of the drug-swallowing individual is every bit as "right" and should have as much impact on policy as the informed, educated decisions of shamen, chiefs, and elders, arrived at via experience and evidence. Silly nonsense, it is. Glad we've gotten past that.
Forgive me if I trust the decision of "drug swallowers" over the Shaman's who still file sword fights as effective dispute resolution tools.
Or are we done making horrible generalizations simply for the sake of having our voices heard?
Best wishes on your endeavour Mr. Thiesant.
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Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
543
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Posted - 2014.07.17 18:36:00 -
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Vizage wrote:
are we done making horrible generalizations simply for the sake of having our voices heard?
I predict we will be done with that about the same time our spices no longer requires oxygen to survive.
The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile.
Imperial Outlaws.
3862
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Posted - 2014.07.17 18:46:00 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Vizage wrote:
are we done making horrible generalizations simply for the sake of having our voices heard?
I predict we will be done with that about the same time our spices no longer requires oxygen to survive.
I often keep my spices vacuum packed if I'm going to be away from my kitchen for long periods of time - keeping them away from oxygen can keep them fresher for much longer if I'm not going to be cooking with them for awhile.
Especially the fresh ones.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..." |
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
Evictus.
1
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Posted - 2014.07.17 18:49:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Vizage wrote:
are we done making horrible generalizations simply for the sake of having our voices heard?
I predict we will be done with that about the same time our spices no longer requires oxygen to survive. I often keep my spices vacuum packed if I'm going to be away from my kitchen for long periods of time - keeping them away from oxygen can keep them fresher for much longer if I'm not going to be cooking with them for awhile. Especially the fresh ones.
Beat me to it Mr. Tuulinen , beat me to it.. |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
543
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Posted - 2014.07.17 19:07:00 -
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Damnit... Species. SPECIES!!! 
((Stupid phone))
The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
133
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Posted - 2014.07.17 20:08:00 -
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Vizage wrote:Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:Karynn Denton wrote:Jinari Otsito wrote:I still don't get democracy. A significant chunk of dirtsiders, spacers and eggers are idiots and deficient in some way. Why would you ever entrust something as important as governance to these people? Let those who have earned it lead. If they're not good enough, time will show that rather sharpish.
Popular votes lead to people like Heth grabbing the reins because they were flashy and got the masses of morons blubbering for them. Using that as a system of governance is quite demonstrably insane. And as far as I know, the average Federal citizen or politician doesn't have access to elders, Khargai or Shamen to impart the councel and wisdom of their ancestor spirits... how can you have effective decision making without them? I agree, Pilot Otsito; it is an insane system. Gallentean democracy is the idea that the impulse or uninformed opinion of the drug-swallowing individual is every bit as "right" and should have as much impact on policy as the informed, educated decisions of shamen, chiefs, and elders, arrived at via experience and evidence. Silly nonsense, it is. Glad we've gotten past that. Forgive me if I trust the decision of "drug swallowers" over the Shaman's who still file sword fights as effective dispute resolution tools. Or are we done making horrible generalizations simply for the sake of having our voices heard? Best wishes on your endeavour Mr. Thiesant.
Thank you, Captain Vizage. Relevance is always appreciated. |
Ava Starfire
Gradient
1584
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Posted - 2014.07.19 11:06:00 -
[69] - Quote
Vizage wrote:Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:Karynn Denton wrote:Jinari Otsito wrote:I still don't get democracy. A significant chunk of dirtsiders, spacers and eggers are idiots and deficient in some way. Why would you ever entrust something as important as governance to these people? Let those who have earned it lead. If they're not good enough, time will show that rather sharpish.
Popular votes lead to people like Heth grabbing the reins because they were flashy and got the masses of morons blubbering for them. Using that as a system of governance is quite demonstrably insane. And as far as I know, the average Federal citizen or politician doesn't have access to elders, Khargai or Shamen to impart the councel and wisdom of their ancestor spirits... how can you have effective decision making without them? I agree, Pilot Otsito; it is an insane system. Gallentean democracy is the idea that the impulse or uninformed opinion of the drug-swallowing individual is every bit as "right" and should have as much impact on policy as the informed, educated decisions of shamen, chiefs, and elders, arrived at via experience and evidence. Silly nonsense, it is. Glad we've gotten past that. Forgive me if I trust the decision of "drug swallowers" over the Shaman's who still file sword fights as effective dispute resolution tools. Or are we done making horrible generalizations simply for the sake of having our voices heard? Best wishes on your endeavour Mr. Thiesant.
You're right. We should all drink cups of tea and see who dies instead.
Stereotyping on partial information is fun, you're right!
"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
Evictus.
3
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Posted - 2014.07.19 11:53:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:Vizage wrote:Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:Karynn Denton wrote:Jinari Otsito wrote:I still don't get democracy. A significant chunk of dirtsiders, spacers and eggers are idiots and deficient in some way. Why would you ever entrust something as important as governance to these people? Let those who have earned it lead. If they're not good enough, time will show that rather sharpish.
Popular votes lead to people like Heth grabbing the reins because they were flashy and got the masses of morons blubbering for them. Using that as a system of governance is quite demonstrably insane. And as far as I know, the average Federal citizen or politician doesn't have access to elders, Khargai or Shamen to impart the councel and wisdom of their ancestor spirits... how can you have effective decision making without them? I agree, Pilot Otsito; it is an insane system. Gallentean democracy is the idea that the impulse or uninformed opinion of the drug-swallowing individual is every bit as "right" and should have as much impact on policy as the informed, educated decisions of shamen, chiefs, and elders, arrived at via experience and evidence. Silly nonsense, it is. Glad we've gotten past that. Forgive me if I trust the decision of "drug swallowers" over the Shaman's who still file sword fights as effective dispute resolution tools. Or are we done making horrible generalizations simply for the sake of having our voices heard? Best wishes on your endeavour Mr. Thiesant. You're right. We should all drink cups of tea and see who dies instead. Stereotyping on partial information is fun, you're right!
I wonder from whom I got that idea from....?
Now given the format I can't really nod to the large quote above me with any subtly but I think you get the idea.
Or should we start looking at standard of living indexes as well?
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Charles Cambridge Schmidt
A Separate Peace
Airlock Alliance
26
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Posted - 2014.07.19 12:58:00 -
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I'm really glad to read people comparing democracy to slavery, calling Federal citizens either drug abusers or disgruntled shamans, terrible self-righteousness from several parties, people saying that the actions of a lone individual were allowed by a government (though I try to avoid being smarmy, how would that ever make sense), et cetera. Not to say a few democractically-aligned individuals aren't stirring the pot, as well.
Kyllsa, I'm honestly a bit disappointed. Not sure that fact matters to anyone, though.
Lovely pieces from Ayallah, and I say that with no sarcasm. |
Kyllsa Siikanen
Gradient
303
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Posted - 2014.07.19 13:11:00 -
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Charles Cambridge Schmidt wrote:
Kyllsa, I'm honestly a bit disappointed. Not sure that fact matters to anyone, though.
It matters to me.
I am not perfect. Sometimes, I have difficulty expressing exactly what it is that I wish to convey. Sometimes, my emotions run away with my good sense. Sometimes, I say or do things that I wish I had not, or that had an impact all out of whack with what I intended.
In short; I'm sorry.
K
GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á
GÇò C.S. Lewis-á |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
1185
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Posted - 2014.07.21 06:36:00 -
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Laurentis Thiesant wrote:
Times are changing, and the Federation's response to ongoing conflicts in low security systems must adapt with them in order to defend the integrity and longevity of our democratic institutions.
And we would be infinitely grateful if you would use same resources for keeping these filthy democratic stuff to yourself and prevent it from spreading and infecting zones outside of Federation.
Laurentis Thiesant wrote:
The troubles during the Mantenault referendum prove with considerable certainty that it is harder to reclaim our institutions then it is to maintain them.
Obviously, without gallentean propaganda, peoples can make rational decisions themselves and ditch out inefficient and dangerous democratic elements.
Thus I have a nice proposition to you: put all your resources into defending your remaining democratic stuff, and keep your damn gallentean noses out of other peoples business, or prepare your noses to meeting with Caldari boots.
Laurentis Thiesant wrote:
[b]President Roden, honourable members of the Senate - lets make sure that this time, Placid and any other occupied systems have a say on the Federate stage. Countless successful local and district elections have proven it can be done. The rightful concerns of the past have elapsed, and so it's time to move forward.
If we cleaned system out of degrading gallentean influence, it doesn't mean you will be welcome there.
Laurentis Thiesant wrote:
Do something good.
Yes. Do something good. Kill a gallentean occupant, and fight for your own worlds, for your own business and your own destiny! Without greedy gallentean hand over your assets.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
1185
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Posted - 2014.07.21 06:42:00 -
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Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Gallentean democracy is the idea that the impulse or uninformed opinion of the drug-swallowing individual is every bit as "right" and should have as much impact on policy as the informed, educated decisions of shamen, chiefs, and elders, arrived at via experience and evidence.
Silly nonsense, it is. Glad we've gotten past that.
Somehow, I am glad as well.
Now, if you could stop war against the Empire and the State... |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
1185
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Posted - 2014.07.21 07:01:00 -
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Vizage wrote:
Forgive me if I trust the decision of "drug swallowers" over the Shaman's who still file sword fights as effective dispute resolution tools.
I would never trust a drug swallower and...
What is wrong with sword fights, Ms. Amsel? I would gladly solve all my disputes by a sword fight. |
Karynn Denton
Clan Katanga Caravan
226
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Posted - 2014.07.21 07:14:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:I would never trust a drug swallower
Neither would I.
Seriously, taking drugs orally is so dull, given all of the fun options out there.
You've got membranes, damp rags, hookahs, intravenous dispensers...
Karynn Denton
Caravan Master
Drug-dealing, frigate-fighting, Rifter-rolling Thukkervixen |
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
Evictus.
3
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Posted - 2014.07.21 16:19:00 -
[77] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Vizage wrote:
Forgive me if I trust the decision of "drug swallowers" over the Shaman's who still file sword fights as effective dispute resolution tools.
I would never trust a drug swallower and... What is wrong with sword fights, Ms. Amsel? I would gladly solve all my disputes by a sword fight.
Sword fights prove the stronger or more skilled are rewarded instead of the merit of one's argument. Meritocracy Ms. kim look it up. It shares a lot more in common with Democracy than the last six letters.
-K
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Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile.
Imperial Outlaws.
3866
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Posted - 2014.07.21 16:48:00 -
[78] - Quote
Vizage wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Vizage wrote:
Forgive me if I trust the decision of "drug swallowers" over the Shaman's who still file sword fights as effective dispute resolution tools.
I would never trust a drug swallower and... What is wrong with sword fights, Ms. Amsel? I would gladly solve all my disputes by a sword fight. Sword fights prove the stronger or more skilled are rewarded instead of the merit of one's argument. Meritocracy Ms. kim look it up. It shares a lot more in common with Democracy than the last six letters. -K
Thank you very much, Haani, for pointing out that our culture does not just come down to 'supremacy of the strongest'. That's one way of defining meritocracy, but only for tasks requiring brute strength, in my experience.
This, Kim-haani, is what the person who said you often don't follow State culture was talking about.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..." |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
683
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Posted - 2014.07.21 19:11:00 -
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... swords. Bits of metal, poking into other people's squicky bits.
Did any of you lot ever figure out how to bang the rocks together? That applying heat to food will cook it? You damn sure aren't up here, dancing in starflares with the rest of us, are you?
... swords, for the love of profits. You people are flat out nuts.
Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
307
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Posted - 2014.07.21 19:44:00 -
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It is unfortunate, if not unexpected, to see the continued derailment of this discussion by petty bickering. Shall we move on and perhaps demonstrate that the IGS can contribute substance in addition to its typical hysterics in reaction to the latest controversy to hit the holos news echo chamber?
Loyal patriots of the Federation should take this for thoughtful opportunity to organize in favor of concrete policy change. We can ensure that the disenfranchisement of our fellow citizens does not continue, and we should. |
Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile.
Imperial Outlaws.
3867
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Posted - 2014.07.21 20:53:00 -
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As entertaining as it's been, I'm going to withdraw from this thread now in respect for a genuine attempt by Federation capsuleers to put their own house in order. It's what I asked for when the State was going through it's upheavals and the least I can do is extend our cousins in green the same courtesy.
I look forward to seeing what effect earnest and well-meaning attempts to instigate benign change have.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..." |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
727
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:34:00 -
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Pieter brings up a good point. We always ask the Gallente Federation to keep their nose out of our internal affairs, as we have no interest in their 'space democracy' and 'Liberty above security' litanies.
However, in return we should keep out their internal affairs, save for what's asked here and that does concern us as well, namely who should vote in the conflict zones?
In my honest opinion, the people that have gallente citizenship. From what I remember, even gallente citizens outside the Gallente border can still vote?
As for representatives in the warzones, well, Caldari do have representatives as well in contested areas, by example the Ishukone representatives in Intaki space, yet Intaki still has representatives for the Gallente senate, so I guess that would go similarly for other places, a dual representation. Not an outrageous concept if you keep in mind how often some constellations switch ownership.
As for the Gallente Citizens on Caldari Prime, I don't see any trouble for them voting, even the ones in the Caldari Controlled regions. Allow them to vote across secured data networks for their representatives on the Gallente controlled parts of Caldari Prime, as a token of good wil from our sidel.
Over 17.000 refugees are welcomed aboard the Aurora Arcology station
-á-áBombing in Rens, Gradient Capsuleers wounded! |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
1185
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Posted - 2014.07.23 18:57:00 -
[83] - Quote
Jandice Ymladris wrote:Pieter brings up a good point. We always ask the Gallente Federation to keep their nose out of our internal affairs, as we have no interest in their 'space democracy' and 'Liberty above security' litanies.
We have no interest in what they do at their home, but when they stretch their filth outside, it becomes a major problem.
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
However, in return we should keep out their internal affairs, save for what's asked here and that does concern us as well, namely who should vote in the conflict zones?
Conflict zones are conflict zones and thus don't belong to them.
It is our duty to stop their democracy from spreading outside their borders, if they can't do it themselves.
Shooting down vessels, carrying anything democracy-related in conflict zones, should become second priority to all combat pilots.
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
As for the Gallente Citizens on Caldari Prime, I don't see any trouble for them voting, even the ones in the Caldari Controlled regions. Allow them to vote across secured data networks for their representatives on the Gallente controlled parts of Caldari Prime, as a token of good wil from our sidel.
Caldari Prime belongs to Caldari and no one else. Gallentean occupancy is just a temporary inconvenience.
And we absolutely don't need any of gallentean policital quirks and filth of democracy on OUR land. |
Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
311
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Posted - 2014.07.23 23:28:00 -
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Ho hum. Wouldn't it be convenient to pretend that pilot Kim's ever deranged viewpoint still carried any currency in mainstream Caldari society and proceed to my own extreme from there? Too easy. Lets just move right along shall we?
While I appreciate the sentiment and effort at intellectual consistency from Captains Ymladris & Tuulinen in recusing themselves from the discussion, I think both of you may be missing the point I was getting at earlier. I'll try to clarify. In the Federation we value individual freedom of speech and expression as one of the most important foundations of our society. A truly Gallente outlook would be to welcome all viewpoints to a discussion, especially those in opposition or criticism. For us, our society progresses in the process of constant challenge and reaffirmation of our core values. From within, from without... whatever.
Competition is as Gallente as it is Caldari, that's for sure.
What I was calling out of bounds earlier was basically numerous capsuleers criticizing the "Gallente being Gallente." Something I believe our Caldari neighbors are quite familiar with by now. Its a worthless avenue of discussion, and would certainly be just as worthless if it were Federals criticizing Amarr for being Amarr or Caldari for being Caldari. Obviously that happens plenty here on the IGS.
At this point I'll regress slightly back to the many passionate debates that took place during the Heth regime. Speaking for myself, my constant driving purpose in those exchanges was never to prove that the Caldari way of life was inferior and that Heth & the Provists had only to convert to Democracy in order to redeem Caldari society.
My purpose was to convince my Caldari neighbors that Tibus Heth was a traitor to every value and institution of Caldari society my father taught me to respect. Heth lost the Way long before he lost power. I wish more Caldari had realized that sooner.
So, if our neighbors are here to tell us when we have lost our way... I hope we have the presence of mind to listen. If you are here to denigrate the Federation for upholding its own values... I've no reason to respect that.
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Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile.
Imperial Outlaws.
3876
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Posted - 2014.07.24 14:53:00 -
[85] - Quote
Could you just stop being admirable, Ms Vero, I do have to shoot at you, you know?
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..." |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
Low-Class
3872
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Posted - 2014.07.24 15:19:00 -
[86] - Quote
Rinai Vero wrote:If our neighbors are here to tell us when we have lost our way... I hope we have the presence of mind to listen. If you are here to denigrate the Federation for upholding its own values... I've no reason to respect that.
That's a very meritocratic attitude you have there.
Of course, we can still debate the relative worth of one another's values. I mean, purely as an intellectual exercise, let's suppose for a second that one or the other of our cultures genuinely WAS inferior to the other in some objective and demonstrable way. Wouldn't the honest and neighborly thing to do be to try and draw attention to that deficit?
Speaking for myself, if I were silent on such an issue, it'd be because I was planning to exploit it.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
1185
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Posted - 2014.07.24 16:56:00 -
[87] - Quote
Rinai Vero wrote:
My purpose was to convince my Caldari neighbors that Tibus Heth was a traitor to every value and institution of Caldari society my father taught me to respect. Heth lost the Way long before he lost power. I wish more Caldari had realized that sooner.
Only gallenteans can fall so lowly to insult our former greatest hero Tibus Heth.
Tibus Heth lived as a hero and died as a hero, that you, gallenteans, will never be able to understand.
So, instead of putting your nose into our affairs, go back into your mudbath of democracy and enjoy it, without sprinkling filth outside of your crumbling federation. Or else we will cut your noses away.
And your purpose and attempts will be in vain, since only IDIOTS could be convinced, that Tibus Heth was a traitor.
Luckily for us, the State is governed by meritocracy, and not democracy, and voices of idiots have zero value, since they don't have any merits. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
Low-Class
3873
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Posted - 2014.07.24 17:08:00 -
[88] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:since only IDIOTS could be convinced, that Tibus Heth was a traitor.
Luckily for us, the State is governed by meritocracy, and not democracy, and voices of idiots have zero value, since they don't have any merits.
And yet the CEP officially declared him to be a traitor.
Which means either that the meritocracy works and the CEOs are not idiots and therefore he really WAS a traitor, or else it means that the meritocracy doesn't work and the CEOs are idiots whose voices carry a lot of value.
If you're going to be a fool (I don't think Cold Wind himself could stop that at this point), at least strive to be a consistent fool, please.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Ayallah
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
262
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Posted - 2014.07.24 18:04:00 -
[89] - Quote
someday everyone will stop pretending to know what is going on beyond what they can see.
maybe.
-áFear The Tribes |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
1185
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Posted - 2014.07.24 19:53:00 -
[90] - Quote
Stitcher wrote:Diana Kim wrote:since only IDIOTS could be convinced, that Tibus Heth was a traitor.
Luckily for us, the State is governed by meritocracy, and not democracy, and voices of idiots have zero value, since they don't have any merits. And yet the CEP officially declared him to be a traitor. Which means either that the meritocracy works and the CEOs are not idiots and therefore he really WAS a traitor, or else it means that the meritocracy doesn't work and the CEOs are idiots whose voices carry a lot of value. If you're going to be a fool (I don't think Cold Wind himself could stop that at this point), at least strive to be a consistent fool, please.
I am not going to be a fool, just, as it seems, you aren't going to stop being a fool.
Luckily your anti-Caldari propaganda and lies about CEP can be easily refuted.
You see, official documents are publicly available, and each word in them has direct meaning. Everyone with decent searching and reading skills, would confirm, that among official falsified and fabricated charges against Tibus Heth there was no charge in treason.
I don't know, maybe you revel in your ignorance, but for me, you are disgusting not because of your ignorance, but because you have betrayed Caldari, and dare to speak about Cold Wind.
You aren't Caldari anymore, Stitcher. You betrayed us and ran away from the State. Go back into your hiding wormhole and sit there silently. |
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