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Insan Ity	Posted - 2006.06.29 22:56:00 - [1] Edited by: Insan Ity on 29/06/2006 22:57:29 So... the Invuln I shield hardener has a passive bonus to all resists of 1% listed. When I fit it... these go away leaving only a 3% bonus to those damage types which I have the shield compensation skills for (so I have EM compensation I, so I get a 3% bonus to passive resists). This seems bugged... Anyone else notice weirdness with shield compensation skills? Insanity
Insan Ity	Posted - 2006.07.03 21:38:00 - [2] Anyone?
Still Hart	Posted - 2006.07.03 21:43:00 - [3] I don't understand the question. This seems to be exactly the correct behavior. Your passive resist bonus on active hardeners is only 1% per level.
Exavier Macbeth	Posted - 2006.07.03 21:46:00 - [4] The Invulnerability Field is an Active hardner. So it gives a 1% resistance bonus when in the inactive state which is effected by the Compensation Skills. When you activate the Hardner (so its using capacitor) it gives the other resistance amount that is in the attributes. However when the hardner is active it does not gain any benifits from the Compensation Skills. Compensation Skills work best with Passive modules though in all truth unless your short on energy the Active ones will always be better.
Still Hart	Posted - 2006.07.03 21:50:00 - [5] Originally by: Exavier Macbeth Compensation Skills work best with Passive modules though in all truth unless your short on energy the Active ones will always be better. That's not true. A named passive hardener (30%) with your compensations skills at 5 will give you 55% total (versus 50% with an active). I'm not sure how it works with shields, but I know the armor 30% hardeners are dirt cheap (like 1-3mil per). And there are nice benefits to using passive modules. They are easier to fit and they don't use cap. That means your tank still works when you get NOS'ed.
Mo Steel	Posted - 2006.07.03 21:58:00 - [6] Originally by: Still Hart Originally by: Exavier Macbeth Compensation Skills work best with Passive modules though in all truth unless your short on energy the Active ones will always be better. That's not true. A named passive hardener (30%) with your compensations skills at 5 will give you 55% total (versus 50% with an active). I'm not sure how it works with shields, but I know the armor 30% hardeners are dirt cheap (like 1-3mil per). And there are nice benefits to using passive modules. They are easier to fit and they don't use cap. That means your tank still works when you get NOS'ed. Actually, it shouldn't give you 55% passive, as the 5% resistance bonus per level with the compensation skills is 5% of the base percentage, not a flat 5% added on top. So essentially, at lvl 5 your passive shield hardener is as effective as 1.25 passive shield hardeners would be.
Exavier Macbeth	Posted - 2006.07.03 21:59:00 - [7] Edited by: Exavier Macbeth on 03/07/2006 22:00:09 Originally by: Still Hart Originally by: Exavier Macbeth Compensation Skills work best with Passive modules though in all truth unless your short on energy the Active ones will always be better. That's not true. A named passive hardener (30%) with your compensations skills at 5 will give you 55% total (versus 50% with an active). I'm not sure how it works with shields, but I know the armor 30% hardeners are dirt cheap (like 1-3mil per). And there are nice benefits to using passive modules. They are easier to fit and they don't use cap. That means your tank still works when you get NOS'ed. I was taking into account T2 actives that do 55% resist. And the Invulnerability field he was talking about as there is no passive version of that for shields. As for lvl Compensation skills to lvl 5... I have other things that i am more worried about than that. But i have used passives to supliment my Actives in some cases. Really depends on the ship and how i am tanking. EDIT: what pervious poster said. I think i saw in another thread somewhere that the best you could get (without uber faction loot) is like 47% resist off a passive harnder anyway.
Still Hart	Posted - 2006.07.03 22:12:00 - [8] Originally by: Mo Steel Actually, it shouldn't give you 55% passive, as the 5% resistance bonus per level with the compensation skills is 5% of the base percentage, not a flat 5% added on top. So essentially, at lvl 5 your passive shield hardener is as effective as 1.25 passive shield hardeners would be. Really? ...just opened Excel and did some math alongside Quickfit and it seems you're right. How lame. Does armor compensation work the same way?
Exavier Macbeth	Posted - 2006.07.03 22:30:00 - [9] Originally by: Still Hart Originally by: Mo Steel Actually, it shouldn't give you 55% passive, as the 5% resistance bonus per level with the compensation skills is 5% of the base percentage, not a flat 5% added on top. So essentially, at lvl 5 your passive shield hardener is as effective as 1.25 passive shield hardeners would be. Really? ...just opened Excel and did some math alongside Quickfit and it seems you're right. How lame. Does armor compensation work the same way? Yes it does. Armor is just the armor version of shield compensation. Though I dono what resists you can get because I really suck at armor tanking :P Compensation Skills only work on Non-Activation hardners in general.
Insan Ity	Posted - 2006.07.03 22:59:00 - [10] Trying again... Situation 1: I have no shield compensation skills (Nothing in Thermic, EM, Explosive, or Kinetic). Invuln Field I -> Show Info Passive resist Kinetic: 1% Passive resist Explosive: 1% Passive resist EM: 1% Passive resist Thermic: 1% Fine. Situation 2: I learn Thermic Shield Compensation I. I still have NO EM, Kinetic, or Explosive Compensation skills... Invuln Field I -> Show Info Passive resist Thermic: 3% That's it. Show Info shows all of the other 1% bonuses to the Invuln Field as vanished, gone, kapooof. Is this a bug? Or am I missing something? Insanity
Exavier Macbeth	Posted - 2006.07.03 23:00:00 - [11] That might be a bug... Maybe report it and see what CCP says... As a test maybe train another Compensation skill to lvl 1 and see what happens.

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