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Severian Carnifex
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Posted - 2011.11.21 00:08:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Severian Carnifex wrote:And please CCP, give a little love to miners! The thing is, giving a little love to miners has almost nothing to do with buffing mining GÇö that will just make it harder for miners to make any real money. What is needed to improve the lives of miners is to take a very large set of hedge trimmers to the drone regionsGǪSeverian Carnifex wrote:Yea... **** miners on every corner...  That doesn't really answer the questions: What does fairness have to with it? Why does the increase need to be larger?
You are right there on top of the problem... DRONES ARE THE MAIN (maybe the only) PROBLEM!!! But what to do when CCP don't see further of their noses and don't want so solve this obvious problem...
Then we need to hunt for crumbs because we are starving and CCP don't want to give us bread... Because when you increase your share of minerals... price of minerals drop... but you get bigger share of ISK because you sold more minerals compared to your opponents constant... |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation
160
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Posted - 2011.11.21 01:26:00 -
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Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:Can you at least please give a little love to miners with T2 Gang link modules???
Example: You get less than a 1km range increase using the T2 Mining Laser Field Enhancemnet Module which is pretty poor...
Funny, I get over 22km range on my strip miners. How about you 1) use the dedicated mining support ship that CCP has provided for you, namely, the Orca and 2) train up the skills to use it and the gang link modules properly. Oh I know it takes MONTHS to train, but seriously, level V dude. Stop whining, miners are fine. |

Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2011.11.21 08:18:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:Can you at least please give a little love to miners with T2 Gang link modules???
Example: You get less than a 1km range increase using the T2 Mining Laser Field Enhancemnet Module which is pretty poor... Funny, I get over 22km range on my strip miners. How about you 1) use the dedicated mining support ship that CCP has provided for you, namely, the Orca and 2) train up the skills to use it and the gang link modules properly. Oh I know it takes MONTHS to train, but seriously, level V dude. Stop whining, miners are fine.
I get 23,8km with full orca boost and T1 gang links... and? OP IS NOT TALKING ABOUT T1 GANG LINKS OR RANGE WITH IT...
this thread is about fairness... There are T2 gang links on SISI... and they give too low boost over T1 links compered to rest of new T2 links... some links give that low boost that they are not worth of invention...
And on the end that miners deserves some love... |

Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
729
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Posted - 2011.11.21 13:00:00 -
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Severian Carnifex wrote:Tippia wrote:Severian Carnifex wrote:And please CCP, give a little love to miners! The thing is, giving a little love to miners has almost nothing to do with buffing mining GÇö that will just make it harder for miners to make any real money. What is needed to improve the lives of miners is to take a very large set of hedge trimmers to the drone regionsGǪSeverian Carnifex wrote:Yea... **** miners on every corner...  That doesn't really answer the questions: What does fairness have to with it? Why does the increase need to be larger? You are right there on top of the problem... DRONES ARE THE MAIN (maybe the only) PROBLEM!!! But what to do when CCP don't see further of their noses and don't want so solve this obvious problem... Then we need to hunt for crumbs because we are starving and CCP don't want to give us bread... Because when you increase your share of minerals... price of minerals drop... but you get bigger share of ISK because you sold more minerals compared to your opponents constant...
yea, that is the point. |

Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
730
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Posted - 2011.11.21 13:25:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:Again CCP nerfing mining... How are they nerfing mining? And you mention that this is the third case of it in this expansion alone GÇö which are the other two?
Boost to metal scraps - so little volume - more minerals on market. New alloys reprocess maps - i don't know if ccp thinks its helping, but its one more stab in the back. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1588
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Posted - 2011.11.21 14:19:00 -
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Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:Boost to metal scraps - so little volume - more minerals on market. It's only more minerals if people generate more metal scrapsGǪ and chances are that the increase will be negligible (and it will only affect the amount of trit anyway).
The only difference is that people might not toss them overboard when their loot/salvage ship gets full, but there is no way to turn this change into a massive increase because the supply of them doesn't change.
Quote:New alloys reprocess maps - i don't know if ccp thinks its helping, but its one more stab in the back. I've missed that oneGǪ link?
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
117
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Posted - 2011.11.21 18:13:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Quote:New alloys reprocess maps - i don't know if ccp thinks its helping, but its one more stab in the back. I've missed that oneGǪ link?
Ill answer this for OP, if i may... I don't know about is there any link, but look at SiSi. |

Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
123
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Posted - 2011.11.21 18:19:00 -
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Andski wrote:Generals4 wrote:Solstice Project wrote: Not talking about you here, so please don't take offense, but what's the benefit of boosting the dullest thing to do in EvE ?
Because without people doing the dullest things into EVE the economy would crumble? And i guess some people actually enjoy mining. mining doesn't supply the entirety of the mineral market, not even close, fyi and nobody actually enjoys mining, they bot
Yea, because everyone knows that 4 hours of mission running gives me the same about of tritanium as 4 hours of mining Veldspar! 
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Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
33
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Posted - 2011.11.21 18:19:00 -
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The more minerals the community can bring in, the less they cost. So, they really don't want to touch the mineral market anymore. |

Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
56
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Posted - 2011.11.21 18:23:00 -
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Andski wrote:Generals4 wrote:Solstice Project wrote: Not talking about you here, so please don't take offense, but what's the benefit of boosting the dullest thing to do in EvE ?
Because without people doing the dullest things into EVE the economy would crumble? And i guess some people actually enjoy mining. mining doesn't supply the entirety of the mineral market, not even close, fyi and nobody actually enjoys mining, they bot
What's that strange whining sound I hear?
It's almost as if someone was talking out of their ass. |

bornaa
GRiD.
60
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Posted - 2011.11.21 19:16:00 -
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Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:Can you at least please give a little love to miners with T2 Gang link modules??? Example: You get less than a 1km range increase using the T2 Mining Laser Field Enhancemnet Module which is pretty poor... Will it be worth the invention cost??? Please boost T2 gang links for miners... Severian Carnifex wrote:Yea... simple math... T1 version of that link have base boost of 4,5... when you add 0,5 thats 5... thats only around 10% increase... T1 versions of other links have base value of 2 and 3... so when you add 0,5... thats increase of around 25% and 18%...
That link have the smallest increase... and that's not fair... Dont nerf mining again, you nerfed it 2 times this expansion, dont nerf it 3rd time... You have now opportunity to elegantly boost it... use it...
about that "T2 Mining Laser Field Enhancemnet Module" I did a little math... its giving 4% boost over T1 module  that's funny, and that's not worth it at all 
with T1 link you have range of 23,8km, and with this T1 you get range of 24,7km I don't see why you introduced this link at all  |

Captain Megadeath
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2011.11.21 19:32:00 -
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bornaa wrote:with T1 link you have range of 22.8km, and with this T2 you get range of 23.9km I don't see why you introduced this link at all 
fixed, but yeah, not much of an improvement.
This is supposed to be a T2 module more like a T1 meta 2 module 
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bornaa
GRiD.
60
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Posted - 2011.11.21 19:41:00 -
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Captain Megadeath wrote:bornaa wrote:with T1 link you have range of 22.8km, and with this T2 you get range of 23.9km I don't see why you introduced this link at all  fixed, but yeah, not much of an improvement. This is supposed to be a T2 module  more like a T1 meta 2 module 
Here is math in 3 decimals:
Maximum Skills, Orca Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization (2%) T1 Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement (4.5%) T2 Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement (5%)
with T1 gang links:
Range Link Bonus = 0.045 * 5 * (1 + 5 * 0.10) * (1 + 5 * 0.03) * (1 + 0.50) = 0.5821875
Maximum Laser Range = 15 km * (1 + 0.5821875) = 23.732 km
with T2 gang links:
Range Link Bonus = 0.05 * 5 * (1 + 5 * 0.10) * (1 + 5 * 0.03) * (1 + 0.50) = 0.646875
Maximum Laser Range = 15 km * (1 + 0.646875) = 24.703 km |

Captain Megadeath
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2011.11.21 19:44:00 -
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You did math.
I loaded up my orca with T1 links, undocked my Hulk alt and looked at the turret info..... Same with the T2 links. |

bornaa
GRiD.
60
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Posted - 2011.11.21 19:51:00 -
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Captain Megadeath wrote:You did math.
I loaded up my orca with T1 links, undocked my Hulk alt and looked at the turret info..... Same with the T2 links.
But 23.732 km was my range when i mined with my alt in the past... :p |

Nullity
The Immaculate Church of Cuppishism
3
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Posted - 2011.11.21 19:52:00 -
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Dorian Wylde wrote:
I don't believe ccp reports where the minerals come from, and while I agree reprocessing is a lot of it, I seriously doubt its a serious majority.
CCP hasn't published mineral sources for a while, but in past publications, non-mining activities have supplied very large quantities of minerals. Non-mining mineral outputs produce so many minerals that they make mining pointless in many situations. |

Serial Chi
Dust Bunnies 514
17
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Posted - 2011.11.21 19:56:00 -
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another classic example of ccp letting miners know they dont really give a crap about them. when i saw this on the test server, my only thought was: "Wait, wtf is the point of this T2 mod???" |

Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
731
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Posted - 2011.11.21 20:06:00 -
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bornaa wrote:Captain Megadeath wrote:bornaa wrote:with T1 link you have range of 22.8km, and with this T2 you get range of 23.9km I don't see why you introduced this link at all  fixed, but yeah, not much of an improvement. This is supposed to be a T2 module  more like a T1 meta 2 module  Here is math in 3 decimals: Maximum Skills, Orca Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization (2%) T1 Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement (4.5%) T2 Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement (5%) with T1 gang links:Range Link Bonus = 0.045 * 5 * (1 + 5 * 0.10) * (1 + 5 * 0.03) * (1 + 0.50) = 0.5821875 Maximum Laser Range = 15 km * (1 + 0.5821875) = 23.732 kmwith T2 gang links:Range Link Bonus = 0.05 * 5 * (1 + 5 * 0.10) * (1 + 5 * 0.03) * (1 + 0.50) = 0.646875 Maximum Laser Range = 15 km * (1 + 0.646875) = 24.703 km
Stealing this for the first post
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Jenshae Chiroptera
203
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Posted - 2011.11.21 20:11:00 -
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I mine when I am semi-AFK and doing other things on my other screen. I like that I can get two things accomplished at once.  Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |

Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2011.11.21 22:13:00 -
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bornaa wrote:Captain Megadeath wrote:bornaa wrote:with T1 link you have range of 22.8km, and with this T2 you get range of 23.9km I don't see why you introduced this link at all  fixed, but yeah, not much of an improvement. This is supposed to be a T2 module  more like a T1 meta 2 module  Here is math in 3 decimals: Maximum Skills, Orca Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization (2%) T1 Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement (4.5%) T2 Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement (5%) with T1 gang links:Range Link Bonus = 0.045 * 5 * (1 + 5 * 0.10) * (1 + 5 * 0.03) * (1 + 0.50) = 0.5821875 Maximum Laser Range = 15 km * (1 + 0.5821875) = 23.732 kmwith T2 gang links:Range Link Bonus = 0.05 * 5 * (1 + 5 * 0.10) * (1 + 5 * 0.03) * (1 + 0.50) = 0.646875 Maximum Laser Range = 15 km * (1 + 0.646875) = 24.703 km
That's **** of module man. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
959
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Posted - 2011.11.21 23:51:00 -
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Esan Vartesa wrote:Andski wrote:Generals4 wrote:Solstice Project wrote: Not talking about you here, so please don't take offense, but what's the benefit of boosting the dullest thing to do in EvE ?
Because without people doing the dullest things into EVE the economy would crumble? And i guess some people actually enjoy mining. mining doesn't supply the entirety of the mineral market, not even close, fyi and nobody actually enjoys mining, they bot What's that strange whining sound I hear? It's almost as if someone was talking out of their ass.
ahahah where do you think most of your high-end minerals come from, certainly not from people mining in null-sec
hint: drone compounds and reprocessed mission/rat loot |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
959
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Posted - 2011.11.21 23:52:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:Andski wrote:Generals4 wrote:Solstice Project wrote: Not talking about you here, so please don't take offense, but what's the benefit of boosting the dullest thing to do in EvE ?
Because without people doing the dullest things into EVE the economy would crumble? And i guess some people actually enjoy mining. mining doesn't supply the entirety of the mineral market, not even close, fyi and nobody actually enjoys mining, they bot Yea, because everyone knows that 4 hours of mission running gives me the same about of tritanium as 4 hours of mining Veldspar! 
how can you be so dumb, seriously
get back to your mining, it suits you |

Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
123
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Posted - 2011.11.22 02:54:00 -
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Andski wrote:Montevius Williams wrote:Andski wrote:Generals4 wrote:Solstice Project wrote: Not talking about you here, so please don't take offense, but what's the benefit of boosting the dullest thing to do in EvE ?
Because without people doing the dullest things into EVE the economy would crumble? And i guess some people actually enjoy mining. mining doesn't supply the entirety of the mineral market, not even close, fyi and nobody actually enjoys mining, they bot Yea, because everyone knows that 4 hours of mission running gives me the same about of tritanium as 4 hours of mining Veldspar!  how can you be so dumb, seriously get back to your mining, it suits you
SO what supplies most of the minerals on the market? Please tell.
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THXBYE
Elite War Squad
7
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Posted - 2011.11.22 02:55:00 -
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Its working as intended. |

Bad Messenger
draketrain
22
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Posted - 2011.11.22 03:45:00 -
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Anyway mining needs lot of boost so i could be interested about it again. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
962
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Posted - 2011.11.22 10:11:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:SO what supplies most of the minerals on the market? Please tell.
you're probably illiterate so i'm not repeating myself
try scrolling up |

March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
43
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Posted - 2011.11.22 10:29:00 -
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Andski wrote:are you a mentally challenged toddler? just asking as he is goon then i guess..... oh wait 
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Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
117
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Posted - 2011.11.22 13:58:00 -
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Andski wrote:Esan Vartesa wrote:Andski wrote:Generals4 wrote:Solstice Project wrote: Not talking about you here, so please don't take offense, but what's the benefit of boosting the dullest thing to do in EvE ?
Because without people doing the dullest things into EVE the economy would crumble? And i guess some people actually enjoy mining. mining doesn't supply the entirety of the mineral market, not even close, fyi and nobody actually enjoys mining, they bot What's that strange whining sound I hear? It's almost as if someone was talking out of their ass. ahahah where do you think most of your high-end minerals come from, certainly not from people mining in null-sec hint: drone compounds and reprocessed mission/rat loot
Goooon talking the truth???? 
And that apply to all minerals... low/mid/high end... |

T'Laar Bok
38
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:33:00 -
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Avila Cracko wrote:Dont write when you dont know what to write...
you are talking about T1 with that range... and here is talked about T2 on sisi and how its not worth it...
Ah, thanks, please be assured I shall properly castigate myself In the most severe manner possible.
Pics 5isk each.
Amphetimines are your friend. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1616
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Posted - 2011.11.22 17:32:00 -
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Avila Cracko wrote:Ill answer this for OP, if i may... I don't know about is there any link, but look at SiSi. So no link. Do you have any comparative numbers? GÇ£Look at sisiGÇ¥ isn't exactly a good set of directions.
bornaa wrote:with T2 gang links:
Range Link Bonus = 0.05 * 5 * (1 + 5 * 0.10) * (1 + 5 * 0.03) * (1 + 0.50) = 0.646875
Maximum Laser Range = 15 km * (1 + 0.646875) = 24.703 km GǪwhich, as mentioned in the other thread where you posted this, that the T2 link is getting a 11% leg-up over the T1 in terms of bonus provided, and that the other two links are getting a 25% bonus increase. This is just like the other new links. So what's the problem? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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