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jwingender Tar Valon Research and Development 6	Posted - 2014.07.15 23:29:00 - [1] - Quote Lets quickly establish that 1 PLEX = $20 = 3,500 Aurum, and that multiple PLEX are $17.5/ea. TL;DR: When CCP switched the NEX to the NES, they did not add back in the old legacy content initially. Instead they are adding it back in over time at drastically reduced prices. In the process, items that were once worth $20 are now worth ~$3, and the players are the ones taking the hit. So that 12,000 Aurum($60) Monocle or 9,000 Aurum($45) Field Marshal Coat could be worth next to nothing in the near future. If CCP is going to change the price scheme while they are changing the store then some kind of refund should be/have been offered to legacy item owners. THE IDEA: When CCP removed the NEX, they should have removed all NEX items for a full(or partial) refund. Then the items could have been reintroduced to the NES at whatever price-point CCP wanted and players could have repurchased the items they wanted based on their readjusted price/exclusivity. Also, the refunded Aurum is just a number in a database for CCP and refunding the players "costs" them nothing, while the Aurum cost the players money. The Long Read: When CCP switched the NEX to the NES they did not add back in the old legacy content initially. Instead, some items that had been worth 300 Aurum were reintroduced at 100 Aurum, and no Aurum was refunded to current holders for this huge 66% reduction. This cut seemed drastic and unneeded, but was on small value items so it didn't seem a large enough issue at the time to say anything. Especially since it was quickly coupled with a release of 200 Aurum NES items that had been 100 Aurum NEX items. Some value gained back. Then there was some items worth 300 Aurum that were released for 200 Aurum, but all of this was peanuts - just testing the waters really - compared with the latest release. The Women's 'Executor' Coat had a price of 3,500 Aurum or $20 on the NEX, but has been added to the NES at the price of 600 Aurum or $3.42. That is a 82.9% reduction in the value of the item. People were sold the item initially on its price and exclusivity and now that is being changed I imagine to "make them fit with the other women's executor coats". But why did this need to be changed and why couldn't one of the versions/colors be more expensive than the others? Especially since it had already been marketed and sold this way, and other clothing sets already have varied prices for colors within the set i.e. Sterling Dress Shirts. Not everything has to be the same. Now, CCP changes the game all the time in a way that effects prices, and players either gain or lose ISK in the process without compensation, this is the nature of the game. But these are items are worth real money and should be treated as such. Also, Aurum costs CCP nothing and costs the players real money. How much confidence will players have in investing their money to get something shiny if their expensive shiny will be next weeks cheap generic? I'd be prepared for cuts of this nature across the board. And yes that includes your monocles, synthetic eyes, field marshals coat, and sterling dress shirts. The Community was initially - imo - outraged by the high prices. But this seemed like a straight cash grab($9000 jeans anyone) with no cheaper options. Ya, let the rich guy blow $60 on a monocle. The digital asset has already been made and paid for. All the proceeds from the sale go towards developing the game. But the common player-base who don't have loads of money to blow online needed a cheaper option. Just because that cheaper option is now being made available does not necessarily mean that all the more expensive items should go as well. < /1st world problems> Is this value evaporation something the community should be worried about?
De'Veldrin Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables 2572	Posted - 2014.07.16 01:08:00 - [2] - Quote I am currently laughing too hard at the idea of inverse monocle gate to formulate a cogent response. MAMBA is recruiting. -áWhen other folks are whining about a lack of content, we go out and create it. The case of Shrodinger's Hotdropper
Chapmonious Hunter Fruidian Logic The Harlequin's 86	Posted - 2014.07.16 01:10:00 - [3] - Quote reads TL;DR starts laughing, walks away
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5602	Posted - 2014.07.16 02:12:00 - [4] - Quote Realistic TL;DR: The value of my thing might be going down, refund please. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com
Jessica Danikov Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 364	Posted - 2014.07.16 02:35:00 - [5] - Quote You paid that price for the privilege of having the item for this long. Even if that weren't the case, the deprecation in value of freely available items is normal and to be expected. I'm fine with my items being devalued- I paid what I was willing to at the time, so no regrets.
stoicfaux 5151	Posted - 2014.07.16 02:57:00 - [6] - Quote And if the value of the item goes up, such as it no longer being made available, then CCP should deduct isk/aurum from the player's account as the value of the item goes up. CCP deserves compensation as well. WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
Xercodo Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering 3605	Posted - 2014.07.16 03:21:00 - [7] - Quote I'm hijacking this thread to say that CCP REALLY need to remove AURs connection with PLEX and make AUR tokens into an entirely separate thing in which a 3500 AUR token costs the same as a PLEX so that the community that has no interest in NES don't get shafted by its market trends. The Drake is a Lie
Shaera Taam Khanid Prime Free Irregulars 113	Posted - 2014.07.16 04:42:00 - [8] - Quote Lol! Srsly? ...oh, he /is/ serious... LOL! Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess!
jwingender Tar Valon Research and Development 6	Posted - 2014.07.16 05:33:00 - [9] - Quote Xercodo wrote: I'm hijacking this thread to say that CCP REALLY need to remove AURs connection with PLEX and make AUR tokens into an entirely separate thing in which a 3500 AUR token costs the same as a PLEX so that the community that has no interest in NES don't get shafted by its market trends. I completely agree and thought the same thing years ago. A PLEX should be 1 month of game time period. How all this other **** got attached to it is beyond me.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1419	Posted - 2014.07.16 05:36:00 - [10] - Quote CCP have said that market speculation is always at buyers risk. Deal with it.
jwingender Tar Valon Research and Development 7	Posted - 2014.07.16 05:38:00 - [11] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: CCP have said that market speculation is always at buyers risk. Deal with it. Confirming that buying something from the NES is speculation and that no one, including me, should do it. There is just no telling when CCP will come in and decide to slash prices.
Antihrist Pripravnik T-AFK and counting 484	Posted - 2014.07.16 05:40:00 - [12] - Quote jwingender wrote: Is this value evaporation something the community should be worried about? Value? I don't see any value in monocles. It was always just a way to show off and/or to support CCP with cash. Those items do not have any practical value in the game. That's why they are called "vanity items" or "cosmetics". You purchase them because you want to have them - not because they have real value. If you'd feel better, I bough a game during Steam summer sale for $4,99. The game was published only last year and its price was $49,99. You don't see those who paid that price complaining, so why should you. 1 bil-30 days-5% loan available - collateral required: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352279
Antihrist Pripravnik T-AFK and counting 484	Posted - 2014.07.16 05:41:00 - [13] - Quote jwingender wrote: Nevyn Auscent wrote: CCP have said that market speculation is always at buyers risk. Deal with it. Confirming that buying something from the NES is speculation and that no one, including me, should do it. There is just no telling when CCP will come in and decide to slash prices. I disagree. I like those dark Amarr ship skins. 1 bil-30 days-5% loan available - collateral required: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352279
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1421	Posted - 2014.07.16 05:50:00 - [14] - Quote jwingender wrote: Nevyn Auscent wrote: CCP have said that market speculation is always at buyers risk. Deal with it. Confirming that buying something from the NES is speculation and that no one, including me, should do it. There is just no telling when CCP will come in and decide to slash prices. Confirming that all stores in RL refund all previous customers any difference in price if they ever drop how much something costs. Confirming also that all MMO's other than EVE do that as well..... Oh, what's that, they don't!
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 15361	Posted - 2014.07.16 06:05:00 - [15] - Quote jwingender wrote: Xercodo wrote: I'm hijacking this thread to say that CCP REALLY need to remove AURs connection with PLEX and make AUR tokens into an entirely separate thing in which a 3500 AUR token costs the same as a PLEX so that the community that has no interest in NES don't get shafted by its market trends. I completely agree and thought the same thing years ago. A PLEX should be 1 month of game time period. How all this other ** got attached to it is beyond me. Well I don't think you got the memo.. apparently.. Greed.. is good. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?**
Xercodo Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering 3606	Posted - 2014.07.16 07:42:00 - [16] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: jwingender wrote: Xercodo wrote: I'm hijacking this thread to say that CCP REALLY need to remove AURs connection with PLEX and make AUR tokens into an entirely separate thing in which a 3500 AUR token costs the same as a PLEX so that the community that has no interest in NES don't get shafted by its market trends. I completely agree and thought the same thing years ago. A PLEX should be 1 month of game time period. How all this other **** got attached to it is beyond me. Well I don't think you got the memo.. apparently.. Greed.. is good. Nor did you. Since this should result in the exact same amount of money being spent. The Drake is a Lie
Nalelmir Ahashion Omegon 42nd Core 493	Posted - 2014.07.16 08:09:00 - [17] - Quote Step 1: play amarr step 2: Hood step 3: win "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch
Christina Project Deeper Feelings Inc. 306	Posted - 2014.07.16 08:20:00 - [18] - Quote Xercodo wrote: Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: jwingender wrote: Xercodo wrote: I'm hijacking this thread to say that CCP REALLY need to remove AURs connection with PLEX and make AUR tokens into an entirely separate thing in which a 3500 AUR token costs the same as a PLEX so that the community that has no interest in NES don't get shafted by its market trends. I completely agree and thought the same thing years ago. A PLEX should be 1 month of game time period. How all this other **** got attached to it is beyond me. Well I don't think you got the memo.. apparently.. Greed.. is good. Nor did you. Since this should result in the exact same amount of money being spent. But 3500 AUR already cost as much as a PLEX, silly! (: - When there's a mew, there's a way! -
Glathull Warlock Assassins 444	Posted - 2014.07.16 08:23:00 - [19] - Quote I would love to see more monocles everywhere. The tears. My god. . . It's full of tears. Turrents
Yarda Black Epidemic. Nulli Secunda 262	Posted - 2014.07.16 08:24:00 - [20] - Quote You know who will really need this? Those stockbroker guys
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2897	Posted - 2014.07.16 08:28:00 - [21] - Quote Cheers op, you made my hangover a little bit more bearable. Nearly ****ing choked on my toast though. "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything
De'Veldrin Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables 2579	Posted - 2014.07.16 13:17:00 - [22] - Quote Still laughing about this one. What makes it funnier is that I'm fairly sure it's not a troll. I should call my car dealer to get a refund because my car is worth less now. MAMBA is recruiting. -áWhen other folks are whining about a lack of content, we go out and create it. The case of Shrodinger's Hotdropper
Cavalira The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple 388	Posted - 2014.07.16 13:20:00 - [23] - Quote I sold my alts monocle for 1,5b isk . Thats almost double the price I paid. Whether or not monocle prices goes up or down, I've made sure I don't lose anything.
Emma Muutaras State War Academy Caldari State 21	Posted - 2014.07.16 13:38:00 - [24] - Quote just got a new computer, and by your logic i should take my old computer back to where i brought it and demand a full refund so what if its 5 years old i paid xxx for it and i want my xxx back now
jwingender Tar Valon Research and Development 9	Posted - 2014.07.16 17:42:00 - [25] - Quote Cavalira wrote: I sold my alts monocle for 1,5b isk . Thats almost double the price I paid. Whether or not monocle prices goes up or down, I've made sure I don't lose anything. Congratulations, at least someone appreciates the heads-up. I've also got out ahead of the shitstorm. I think people took my idea for compensation too to heart. This was more about warning the community that all that **** that was worth an amount is now going to be worth 0.1(amount). Use this info however you want.
Li Quiao Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 60	Posted - 2014.07.16 18:41:00 - [26] - Quote Xercodo wrote: Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: jwingender wrote: Xercodo wrote: I'm hijacking this thread to say that CCP REALLY need to remove AURs connection with PLEX and make AUR tokens into an entirely separate thing in which a 3500 AUR token costs the same as a PLEX so that the community that has no interest in NES don't get shafted by its market trends. I completely agree and thought the same thing years ago. A PLEX should be 1 month of game time period. How all this other **** got attached to it is beyond me. Well I don't think you got the memo.. apparently.. Greed.. is good. Nor did you. Since this should result in the exact same amount of money being spent. Actually, no, it doesn't. With the current system, you can get AUR items for ISK by buying the PLEX on the market and converting it. You're proposing to do away with that. People willing to spend ISK to get the items but not real money will no longer be buying the PLEX. As less PLEX is sold on the market, less PLEX is bought from CCP. They get less money.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2903	Posted - 2014.07.16 19:21:00 - [27] - Quote jwingender wrote: Cavalira wrote: I sold my alts monocle for 1,5b isk . Thats almost double the price I paid. Whether or not monocle prices goes up or down, I've made sure I don't lose anything. Congratulations, at least someone appreciates the heads-up. I've also got out ahead of the shitstorm. I think people took my idea for compensation too to heart. This was more about warning the community that all that **** that was worth an amount is now going to be worth 10% as much. Use this info however you want. Ah i see, this was a friendly tip cleverly disguised as a hilariously inept whine for compensation, gotcha "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything
jwingender Tar Valon Research and Development 9	Posted - 2014.07.17 06:21:00 - [28] - Quote Li Quiao wrote: Actually, no, it doesn't. With the current system, you can get AUR items for ISK by buying the PLEX on the market and converting it. You're proposing to do away with that. People willing to spend ISK to get the items but not real money will no longer be buying the PLEX. As less PLEX is sold on the market, less PLEX is bought from CCP. They get less money. Except you can already buy Aurum tokens from CCP for money, and then those are on the market and can be traded for ISK. Or you can just buy the Aurum item for ISK on the market. We were just proposing a larger 3500 Aurum token for $20 to completely bypass the PLEX. In this way CCP would still receive money for the tokens, and PLEX prices would go down due to reduced demand.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5640	Posted - 2014.07.17 06:28:00 - [29] - Quote ISK is really easy to make anyway, who cares about higher PLEX prices? This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com
Don Purple 310	Posted - 2014.07.17 07:36:00 - [30] - Quote Lol. I am just here to snuggle.

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