I see no downside to this and plenty of upside.

oh wow. Am I the first to understand this is the exact opposite of SP for plex? Based on the reactions sofar.... yes. +1 for me!

I dont enjoy this idea tho. You trained a skill. You had your reasons. Converting unwanted SP into plex is just a refund. It will also mess up the characterbazaar imho

You're not the only one, edited my post after rereading the op this time more carefully.

if you right click a plex then redeem it for game time, then wait 30 days. your plex will have given you 30 days of SP.

it's magic.

oh wow. Am I the first to understand this is the exact opposite of SP for plex? Based on the reactions sofar.... yes. +1 for me!

I dont enjoy this idea tho. You trained a skill. You had your reasons. Converting unwanted SP into plex is just a refund. It will also mess up the characterbazaar imho

Back up guys.. ima gonna roll my ISD dice to see whos gonna lock it..



Came up Barstorlode.

You are about to be educated in the many downsides to this. Hang on people until I get the popcorn made.

Mr Epeen

Go play SC because EVE is no longer the game it used to be

I come back from lunch and this thread still isn't locked. Today's full of surprises.

Annoyed that CCP is completely removing skills from the game (Material Efficiency V anyone?) and playing the semantics game by "changing" the skill to a completely different one? Just delete those useless skill points and apply them towards a PLEX!

When? 2020, maybe?

Back up guys.. ima gonna roll my ISD dice to see whos gonna lock it..



Came up Barstorlode.

*looks for lock.. finds none.. is disappointed*

To be honest, I'd be fine with the option to delete SP for no refund whatsoever. Just to not have to look at that stupid mining skill on my eveboard.

Mr Epeen

For once, someone actually shocked us all by having SP and PLEX in the same title, without it being filled with whining about how long training takes. For that alone, it deserves to stay open.

It's a neat idea on the surface of it, but you have to wonder how useful it really is.

I mean, how much would you have to burn to get a PLEX? If it's in any way proportional to the time it takes to actually gain those SP, you would have had to **** up monumentally to have enough GÇ£wastedGÇ¥ SP to reach even a single PLEX. It can't be less than 2M SP, since that would let people train and sell for eternity GÇö so something along the lines of 5M (or even the 10M mentioned earlier) would have to be the exchange rate. That's an awful lot of deliberate trainingGǪ

The other problem is more for the programmers: how do you enforce the limits on what can be sold this way? You can't just allow people to hollow out their characters bottom-up and end up with minute-SP alts for, say, supercap parking, where all that's left is the Capship V and Titan I skill (or whatever). In other words, the selling process would have to check that the skill level you're trying to sell isn't a prerequisite for something, and if it is, you have to sell that skill first. I can see that getting ugly very quickly, both in the bugs that could turn up and in presenting a solid UI to the players.

GǪon the other hand, it would give them a reason to create an ISIS-like display of the skill tree GÇö which would be helpful for all kinds of other purposes GÇö since that would probably be the best way of representing what it is you're trying to sell.

In short: interesting, but ultimately pointless due to how much work would have to go into something that will never be used.

when i made this thread it was locked.

I misread someone else's thread, and actually thought it was a good idea that I've never seen come up.

Skill points for PLEX.

Not "buy a PLEX and convert it to skill points" but "Convert skillpoints you wish you didn't have into PLEX"

Feeling bad about all those industry/mining skills you trained but never use? Convert them into a PLEX!

Annoyed that CCP is completely removing skills from the game (Material Efficiency V anyone?) and playing the semantics game by "changing" the skill to a completely different one? Just delete those useless skill points and apply them towards a PLEX!

Obviously, the ratio of skill points to PLEX would have to be pretty high - far higher than the amount of skill points you can generate during a billing cycle - but I'm sure CCP (or the forums) could math out a good ratio.

Bonus is that a lot of very old/high SP characters who are heavily into being "bittervets" would have an easy way to grab some PLEX and shed so many SP that they could once again get that "newbie" feel (gee, I can't wait until I can fly interceptors *again*!).

I see no downside to this and plenty of upside. It's only a matter of time.

"what an original and excllent idea", said nobody, never

Except for those who actually read what this one was about. (just the "original" part, not "excellent")

Let me say this, I already posted before in a thread proposing something different, an accelerated skill training for a month by using a plex or paying a sum of money like you do for the multiple char training. The thread didn't got locked and most of the opinion were mainly about that would be too costly for the people that replied, however not really unfair considering that the total sum of SP you generate on an account would be the same of having a multiple char training or an accelerated queue.

What I've learned by half lurking these forums is that flat out bad ideas get a lock from an ISD member, see the various "let me buy SP for plex" threads that got locked, however the threads with strange ideas like this one get left opened to see how the people react to it.

However, I've also noticed that CCP defend to the bitter end two things that have an absolute value in EVE online, while most of you would answer the first is the PLEX value, the first and oldest thing is the SP value. When you check the char bazaar, you can evaluate the price of a toon by converting its skill point in month needed of training, then consider that each month of training is worth a certain amount of ISK due to the conversion of PLEX into ISK.

If you'd let people buy SP for PLEX (and indirectly for ISK) you have to think about those big alliance that could create a titan / super carrier pilot in a month by using their insane wealth to buy plexes to convert in SP points. While anyone with enough wealth can keep making ships, what you cannot create out of thin air (or out of a massive veldspar) are the pilot themselves. Even an accelerated skill queue will make possible to finish a capital pilot in 1/2 or 1/3 of the time (see my old idea in a previous post), eventually rising the number of pilot for sale on the bazaar, filling the market with more offer than the actual request, devaluing then value of the pilot itself and indirectly of SP invested in it. In this situation you'll have a pilot that's worth less than the sum of plex invested to create it in the long run, making it cheaper in terms of real life currency to just buy your toon off the bazaar rather than paying months of subscription and wait the skill to train up.

How cheap is going to end up I cannot imagine, but I guess you could say the same with how pricey are going to be the PLEXes before they'll cost more than what the people perceives as an acceptable price.

Now please be mindful before commenting, I've made the example of Cap/Supercap pilots because it's a topic dear to most, but you can then just say "PvP focused pilot" or "Science / Industrial toon", or apply this to any toon you see for sale in the bazaar focus.

Now please be mindful before commenting...

Sigh... and I promised to be good.

Re-read the OP. Your post does not speak to the idea at all.

The question is what's in it for ccp.

you convert unwanted sp to plex, convert the plex to game time and play effectively for free. The ratio of sp to plex as people have said would have to be such that the system would not be abused, and lets face it, if something can be exploited or abused by eve pilots, it will be. Its our nature.

If the ratio is too high it wont make sense converting the points in the first place, too low and people will train to play for free.

Make it exploit proof and I might, might I say tentatively think its an O.K idea. As it is ? No

I misread someone else's thread, and actually thought it was a good idea that I've never seen come up.

Skill points for PLEX.

Not "buy a PLEX and convert it to skill points" but "Convert skillpoints you wish you didn't have into PLEX"

Feeling bad about all those industry/mining skills you trained but never use? Convert them into a PLEX!

Annoyed that CCP is completely removing skills from the game (Material Efficiency V anyone?) and playing the semantics game by "changing" the skill to a completely different one? Just delete those useless skill points and apply them towards a PLEX!

Obviously, the ratio of skill points to PLEX would have to be pretty high - far higher than the amount of skill points you can generate during a billing cycle - but I'm sure CCP (or the forums) could math out a good ratio.

Bonus is that a lot of very old/high SP characters who are heavily into being "bittervets" would have an easy way to grab some PLEX and shed so many SP that they could once again get that "newbie" feel (gee, I can't wait until I can fly interceptors *again*!).

I see no downside to this and plenty of upside. It's only a matter of time.

I'm sure that CCP will implement your plan to give away hundreds of thousands of dollars first thing monday morning.

"PLEX for the Removal of Unwanted Skills"

You DO NOT get reimbursed for skill points or skill books.

If you have the option of plugging them in, then you should have the option of unplugging them.