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Nian Banks
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Posted - 2006.07.03 14:04:00 -
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Been a fan of Minmatar and the option to shield or armor tank dependant on the ship I was looking forward to the new tier 3 Minmatar Battleship, With most of my points in Shielding I expected that as the Typhoon and the Tempest were clearly Armor tanks as they both have more low slots and medium, that the new Tier 3 Battleship would be a Shield tank.
The problem however is that most people seem to believe and as I have read on many forums has some official air to them say that it will be an Armor tank, Why? Isn't Minmatar meant to have ships that do both Armor and Shield? Isn't the only battlecruiser at this point in time dedicated to shield tank with a shield bonus.
How about CCP throws we Shielding players a bone and give us a true Shielding BS so all Minmatar can enjoy the goodness of Battleships the way we want to play them.
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Monkphish
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Posted - 2006.07.03 14:06:00 -
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 quite a few ppl sheild tank the tempest |
Nianfur
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Posted - 2006.07.03 14:08:00 -
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Yes but it isn't dedicated to it and most players use the mid slots for EW. Perhaps if a low slot was moved to a mid slot it would be different but as of now its a better ship when armor tanked.
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Phelan Lore
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Posted - 2006.07.03 14:08:00 -
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I agree, give minmatar more mids so that we can jam, err I mean shield tank better.
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.07.03 14:12:00 -
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Shield Tanked Typhoon is great for ratting against Angels.
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inSpirAcy
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Posted - 2006.07.03 14:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Nianfur
Yes but it isn't dedicated to it and most players use the mid slots for EW. Perhaps if a low slot was moved to a mid slot it would be different but as of now its a better ship when armor tanked.
In many cases, so is the Scorpion.
And that's nothing to do with slot layout. 
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Nianfur
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Posted - 2006.07.03 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy
Originally by: Nianfur
Yes but it isn't dedicated to it and most players use the mid slots for EW. Perhaps if a low slot was moved to a mid slot it would be different but as of now its a better ship when armor tanked.
In many cases, so is the Scorpion.
And that's nothing to do with slot layout.
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No your wrong, slot layout does have an effect however people try to fit ships in the way they want. Ofcourse slot layout does help to DIRECT a player towards the developers vision of that ship.
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Imhotep Khem
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Posted - 2006.07.03 14:26:00 -
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Thats because EW is silly. When the silliness is removed from EW then we can talk about a shield tanking Minmatar ship. However, don't mess with the Tempest.
Currently, the only time Minmatar shield tank is when they don't expect to take much damage. It gives us more MW for big guns.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.07.03 14:26:00 -
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If the placeholders are any indication, the tier3 is going to have the same slot layout as a fleet tempest which still means it can't solo with a shield tank - rest assured most people will probably be using the standard ac/armour tank tempest with 2 jammers instead of 1.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.07.03 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Imhotep Khem
Thats because EW is silly. When the silliness is removed from EW then we can talk about a shield tanking Minmatar ship. However, don't mess with the Tempest.
Currently, the only time Minmatar shield tank is when they don't expect to take much damage. It gives us more MW for big guns.
Or when we have wonderful T2 resists that go hand in hand with shield tanking and enough slots to pull it off (jag, vaga, sleip, claymore)
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inSpirAcy
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Posted - 2006.07.03 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nianfur
Originally by: inSpirAcy
In many cases, so is the Scorpion.
And that's nothing to do with slot layout.
No your wrong, slot layout does have an effect however people try to fit ships in the way they want.
I never stated to the contrary.
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Nianfur
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Posted - 2006.07.03 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Nianfur on 03/07/2006 14:39:56
So what you guys are saying is that because people can use the mid slots as EW then the minmatar shouldn't get a battleship with more mid slots than low slots? at the moment people can use the mid slots for ew more due to having enough space in the low slots for a tank, if you reduce the low slots and so can't effectively tank with that amount then your either going to accept been an egg shell and go EW or put shielding modules in your mid slots and sacrifice EW.
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inSpirAcy
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Posted - 2006.07.03 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Nianfur
if you reduce the low slots and so can't effectively tank with that amount then your either going to accept been an egg shell and go EW or put shielding modules in your mid slots and sacrifice EW.
Most will take option three: fly a Tempest instead.
The AC Pest relies on its jammer to make up for its low damage output. If you forced it to shield tank by swapping a low slot (two minimum, really) to mid, the third Gyrostab wouldn't contribute enough damage to compensate.
A moot point, perhaps, because CCP aren't going to add a BS which replaces the Tempest's role. I bet we end up with an EW boat anyway.
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Nastro Azzura
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Posted - 2006.07.03 16:05:00 -
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People armor tank Ravens. You ask why, they shield tank better! Jammers, meh friend, jammers.
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Jet Collins
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Posted - 2006.07.03 17:33:00 -
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It would be nice to have a minmatar BS that is a dedicated shield tanker.. Besides making the Fleet tempest one.
If they make the tier 3 BS have 6 Mids(7 would be so much better though  ) and 6 or even 5 lows I do not think this would replace the tempest. I'm sure with the bonuses that are given to the ships the tempest would probably be the better short range or what ever ship while the new tier 3 would be the dedicated Arty/sheild tanking ship. Or whatever, All I have to say is Arty ships shield tank and while the tempest is a good arty ship I hope the tier 3 is a better one .
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PirateShampoo
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Posted - 2006.07.03 18:34:00 -
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I think il cry if the T3 BS is a sheild tanker, Dont u think we have enough skills to train being a multi wepon race? I like my armour tank and i dont have the time to train for sheilds.
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Raste GPI
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Posted - 2006.07.03 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Twilight Moon
Shield Tanked Typhoon is great for ratting against Angels.
What kind of setup do you use for this? |
Foulis
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Posted - 2006.07.03 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy
A moot point, perhaps, because CCP aren't going to add a BS which replaces the Tempest's role. I bet we end up with an EW boat anyway.
Don't say that. Please. We all know what the bonus will be if that happens. +7.5% to target painter effectiveness *shudders*. ON A BS!
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Jerick Ludhowe
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Posted - 2006.07.03 18:47:00 -
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If you want to see more minmatar or pretty much any non raven Bs shield tank you are going to have to nerf the single or double multispec cheese. As it stands now an armor tank + takling mids + a couple ecm not only takes far less damage than a shield tank but also has far more utility.
It truly is amazing how so many of the problems in this game revolve around 1 module :/. ECCM was a step in the right direction however i suspect that using a multispec in place of one may still be a better counter with a more universal role (will have to run numbers). Either way I can't complain about eccm, but we really need to go back to the old ECM system or use a reverse stacking penatly. Aka 1 ecm is almost useless but their effectivness increases exponentially as you stack more ecm on a target.
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