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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
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Posted - 2011.11.20 20:12:00 -
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So, after CCP changed the scanning mechanic, it is no longer possible to fit your ship as unscannable by boosting your sensorstrenght above your sigradius.
However, I found that ships fitted with high sensorstrenght close/equal to their sigradius is still very very hard to find.
I tried on SISI with a max skilled character (scanning and ship skills), a bonused ship, sisters expanded probe launcher with sisters combat probes, full set of low-grade virtue and a slot 8 PPH-2 implants, and i still struggled quite some time before eventually getting 100% using all 8 probes.
What is peoples experience with this? Can it be done with a "lighter/cheaper" setup, no implants, unbonused ships etc? |
Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
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Posted - 2011.11.20 20:49:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:So, after CCP changed the scanning mechanic, it is no longer possible to fit your ship as unscannable by boosting your sensorstrenght above your sigradius.
However, I found that ships fitted with high sensorstrenght close/equal to their sigradius is still very very hard to find.
I tried on SISI with a max skilled character (scanning and ship skills), a bonused ship, sisters expanded probe launcher with sisters combat probes, full set of low-grade virtue and a slot 8 PPH-2 implants, and i still struggled quite some time before eventually getting 100% using all 8 probes.
What is peoples experience with this? Can it be done with a "lighter/cheaper" setup, no implants, unbonused ships etc?
No, it can't.
Tried it myself on my maxed skill alt and I it took ages to find a ECCM fitted boosting Loki.
Pretty much same as you. Had to use all 8 probes and I even knew roughly where he was.
They can be found, just really, really bloody difficult. |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
112
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Posted - 2011.11.21 03:48:00 -
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Smiling Menace wrote:
No, it can't.
Tried it myself on my maxed skill alt and I it took ages to find a ECCM fitted boosting Loki.
Pretty much same as you. Had to use all 8 probes and I even knew roughly where he was.
They can be found, just really, really bloody difficult.
Well, the case is that I have been scanned down 3 times the last 2 weeks in my supposedly very hard to scan Tengu. Once by a Helios, and twice by Rapiers. Rapiers ar unbonused ships, so i just wondered how the hell it can be done. My sig was 150m with a sensorstrength of 160 (checked ingame). I dont use sig-increasing mods or ammo either. |
Tamiya Sarossa
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.21 04:25:00 -
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Just because it was a rapier that landed on you doesn't mean that it was a rapier that probed you out - from what I've experienced I can't narrow down a fully eccmed fit with a maxed prober in bonused ship without Virtues, so I would highly doubt a rapier would be able to do so. |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
112
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Posted - 2011.11.21 04:31:00 -
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Tamiya Sarossa wrote:Just because it was a rapier that landed on you doesn't mean that it was a rapier that probed you out - from what I've experienced I can't narrow down a fully eccmed fit with a maxed prober in bonused ship without Virtues, so I would highly doubt a rapier would be able to do so.
heh trust me on this. Four in local, the rapier appearing just seconds after the probes disaapeared from short range scan, with the other 3 combat ships just a few seconds behind. |
Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis
310
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Posted - 2011.11.21 05:04:00 -
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Still possible. Just need an alt with maxed skills and Grail set to be sure. |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
112
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Posted - 2011.11.21 05:08:00 -
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Mekhana wrote:Still possible. Just need an alt with maxed skills and Grail set to be sure.
Eh what? Sorry, you completely lost me. |
Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.11.21 10:20:00 -
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lrn2bouncesafes.
it should be impossible to get caught in anything smaller than a battleship if youre paying attention. |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
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Posted - 2011.11.21 10:31:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:lrn2bouncesafes.
it should be impossible to get caught in anything smaller than a battleship if youre paying attention.
learn 2 read.
This isnt about getting caught. Its about getting scanned. |
Deyo
Initium Malum 0ccupational Hazzard
3
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Posted - 2011.11.21 10:53:00 -
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Where you doing missions or exploration sites. People sometimes probe those and bookmark in case someone wanders in.
D. |
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VaMei
Meafi Corp
72
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Posted - 2011.11.21 12:15:00 -
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If you were in an exploration site, they don't need to find you, just the site. They can locate you on D-scan, and toss core probes in that area to find the plex.
For drone users, your drones are easier to probe down than many of the sites are. |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
112
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Posted - 2011.11.21 14:52:00 -
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VaMei wrote:If you were in an exploration site, they don't need to find you, just the site. They can locate you on D-scan, and toss core probes in that area to find the plex.
For drone users, your drones are easier to probe down than many of the sites are.
I was indeed. I saw combat probes on scan, but they could naturally have been used to scan down the site instead of me. Never occured to me at the time |
Solomar Espersei
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
131
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Posted - 2011.11.21 15:17:00 -
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Confirming.
Given my profession, I'm sure you can appreciate how much scanning we do. To that end, I even have a Virtue Alt who is far better than Solo here though not perfect. We've tested on a Loki, even knew where the Loki was approximately sitting and couldn't get 100% w/ 8 probes, close, but no cigar. I think it will require a near max-skilled scanner to get your Loki Booster. Recruiting is OPEN Please join our public channel The Ninja Dojo for more info |
Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.11.22 02:00:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Jack Miton wrote:lrn2bouncesafes.
it should be impossible to get caught in anything smaller than a battleship if youre paying attention. learn 2 read. This isnt about getting caught. Its about getting scanned.
well, then yeah, it's possible to probe out any ship.
PS: LOL at being at a site and expecting eccm to help you... |
Hazel Starr
Krypteia Brotherhood
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Posted - 2011.11.22 02:40:00 -
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What will probably have happened is that the Rapier is in fleet with and on grid with the probing ship...the prober does a fleet warp to you and cancels their warp so only the Rapier arrives,
-- Haze
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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
112
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Posted - 2011.11.22 03:20:00 -
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Hazel Starr wrote:What will probably have happened is that the Rapier is in fleet with and on grid with the probing ship...the prober does a fleet warp to you and cancels their warp so only the Rapier arrives,
-- Haze
That would indeed have been a plausible scenario IF there hadnt been the rapier, and 3 combat ships with 4 in local. |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
112
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Posted - 2011.11.22 03:25:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:
PS: LOL at being at a site and expecting eccm to help you...
I have gotten confirmation that it DOES in fact help. Unless you have a very very pro prober with billions in implants, u will not be scanned down (unless you are in a scannable site ofc).
And for the record. I wasnt caught. The rapier decloaked on the spot, which gave me 5 seconds to warp due to his targeting delay. Plenty if you are alligned which I was as I had watched their probes and punched D-scan once every 2 seconds. As I was dualboxing, my other character sat cloaked 40km away watching what happend. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
26
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Posted - 2011.11.22 07:03:00 -
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Cool story bro. You learned a thing today. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu
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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
112
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:16:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Cool story bro. You learned a thing today.
Find my lossmail if u can. |
Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.11.22 22:09:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:[quote=Jack Miton][quote=Reilly Duvolle]Ahem. Read the OP maybe, before u answer? I know u can scan any ship. The question was if it was possible in a non-bonused ship, without implants etc.
you dont really get it do you... you were AT A SITE, meaning you can be probed out by any ship with a core probe launcher on it. |
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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
112
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Posted - 2011.11.22 22:50:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:[quote=Jack Miton][quote=Reilly Duvolle]Ahem. Read the OP maybe, before u answer? I know u can scan any ship. The question was if it was possible in a non-bonused ship, without implants etc. you dont really get it do you... you were AT A SITE, meaning you can be probed out by any ship with a core probe launcher on it.
:faceplam:
Which part of the sentence "I just had a brainfart not connecting combat probes to cosmic signature scanning, even if I knew u can use them for that with the same results as core probes" quoted from above was unclear for you? |
Amber Thetawaves
Mong's Marauders
6
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Posted - 2011.11.22 23:04:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:[quote=Jack Miton][quote=Reilly Duvolle]Ahem. Read the OP maybe, before u answer? I know u can scan any ship. The question was if it was possible in a non-bonused ship, without implants etc. you dont really get it do you... you were AT A SITE, meaning you can be probed out by any ship with a core probe launcher on it. :faceplam: Which part of the sentence "I just had a brainfart not connecting combat probes to cosmic signature scanning, even if I knew u can use them for that with the same results as core probes" quoted from above was unclear for you?
time to stop posting...
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Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck
7
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Posted - 2011.11.23 02:01:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:[quote=Jack Miton][quote=Reilly Duvolle]Ahem. Read the OP maybe, before u answer? I know u can scan any ship. The question was if it was possible in a non-bonused ship, without implants etc. you dont really get it do you... you were AT A SITE, meaning you can be probed out by any ship with a core probe launcher on it. :faceplam: Which part of the sentence "I just had a brainfart not connecting combat probes to cosmic signature scanning, even if I knew u can use them for that with the same results as core probes" quoted from above was unclear for you?
just because you admit to being an idiot, doesnt make you any less of one :) |
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