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virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:54:00 -
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Altirius Saldiaro wrote:OP is the reason the forums should have a dislike button next to the like button.
Beat me to it. This is exactly what I was thinking.
In an attempt to be constructive - Every "fix" needs to be a fix to a defined and recognised problem. When did level 4s in highsec become a problem and why?
Hishsec is not "safe", it is relatively safe. I know a group who will take great pleasure in proving this to you. If you doubt it Google James 315 and then buy a permit.
Game mechanics. The more complex any game mechanics are the more easily they are exploited. Your example mechanics seemed pretty complex and a few people have already suggested exploits. Imagine what they could come up with after several weeks.
Unexpected consequences. Related to the last point - So Concord spawns drones? Concord doesn't currently have drones? Are these drones killable? Does killing them have a standings effect? What are concord doing doing in space below 0.5? Isn't this confusing for noobs? Will the concord drones respawn if the rats kill them? Can I go afk orbiting something speed tanking and let concord do all the work?
I'm sorry but this seems to be one of the worst thought out ideas I've seen suggested in the boards. No problem definition and a very complex solution pretty much guaranteed not to work as intended. |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.07.21 21:56:00 -
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Moving this from General Discussion to Features and Ideas. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2014.07.21 22:03:00 -
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"It's like deja vu all over again"
- Yogi Berra
I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming. |

Rena Emishi
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.21 22:22:00 -
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virm pasuul wrote:Altirius Saldiaro wrote:OP is the reason the forums should have a dislike button next to the like button. Beat me to it. This is exactly what I was thinking. In an attempt to be constructive - Every "fix" needs to be a fix to a defined and recognised problem. When did level 4s in highsec become a problem and why? Hishsec is not "safe", it is relatively safe. I know a group who will take great pleasure in proving this to you. If you doubt it Google James 315 and then buy a permit. Game mechanics. The more complex any game mechanics are the more easily they are exploited. Your example mechanics seemed pretty complex and a few people have already suggested exploits. Imagine what they could come up with after several weeks. Unexpected consequences. Related to the last point - So Concord spawns drones? Concord doesn't currently have drones? Are these drones killable? Does killing them have a standings effect? What are concord doing doing in space below 0.5? Isn't this confusing for noobs? Will the concord drones respawn if the rats kill them? Can I go afk orbiting something speed tanking and let concord do all the work? I'm sorry but this seems to be one of the worst thought out ideas I've seen suggested in the boards. No problem definition and a very complex solution pretty much guaranteed not to work as intended.
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virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.21 22:37:00 -
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It's a hugely flawed idea. It doesn't need tweaking, it needs taking out back and shooting and dumping in the river. |

Jango Cane
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.21 22:47:00 -
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virm pasuul wrote:It's a hugely flawed idea. It doesn't need tweaking, it needs taking out back and shooting and dumping in the river.
Level 4 mission runner that doesn't want to lose his meal ticket. |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2231
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Posted - 2014.07.21 23:20:00 -
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Jango Cane wrote:virm pasuul wrote:It's a hugely flawed idea. It doesn't need tweaking, it needs taking out back and shooting and dumping in the river. Level 4 mission runner that doesn't want to lose his meal ticket.
Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet brave NPC alt. Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
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Posted - 2014.07.21 23:35:00 -
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Rena Emishi wrote:Mina Sebiestar wrote:Pve fitted mission runners thanks you and tell you worry not about them, rather go shoot pvp oriented targets. I don't worry about them.. I want them to work for their money, I want the eve moto risk = reward to be a actual fact of the game. I hate that people can sit in high sec and make the so much risk free isk.. and the risk to reward ratio in low sec is so imbalanced. ( and null in not fortified allienced secured area's ). It disgusts me that people sit afk mining and run level 4s blind folded for years upon years, its nothing but a tutorial zone that people never want to leave because the isk to risk ratio is so good.
You should check those: wanting, hating, world and eve is not fair and disgust feel you are hoarding, those don't seem healthy.
high sec is not was not nor will it ever be tut space it is massive part of new eden and hardly just mission running exercise, I cant seriously even consider this as non troll idea.
mission out of wack risk vs reward is mission out of wack problem it is not low sec suck problem and each is fixed by addressing it in mission case why it is such walk in park for a decade now and not buy giving every mission runner a cow bell / concord whistle and sent away to be someone launch giggle.
not to mention creating absurd gameplay mechanic just to keep thing alive...not in my sandbox. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
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Posted - 2014.07.22 00:24:00 -
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Your absolutely right OP, the risk reward is certainly skewed, but I think an easier solution would be to quadruple the rewards and bounties for missions in Low Sec.
Should solve all your problems. :)
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |

Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
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Posted - 2014.07.22 00:24:00 -
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Rena Emishi wrote: P.s im not a pirate.
Sounds legit.
and I'm "not" posting in stealth buff mission runners ganking thread. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |

Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2014.07.22 01:40:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Your absolutely right OP, the risk reward is certainly skewed, but I think an easier solution would be to quadruple the rewards and bounties for missions in Low Sec.
Should solve all your problems. :)
As long as it doesnt extend to FW. Everything else in low is good. |

Christopher Tsutola
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:31:00 -
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How about we just bring the level four difficulty back up to what it used to be |

Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
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Posted - 2014.07.22 09:12:00 -
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-1000
Thread already exists in many variations. L5s to high sec, L4s to low sec,, Mission revamp .. came up everywhere.
They need to be overhauled completely, not just a move this over here and done. And before you start posting about interfering with a huge enterprise, do some of it. And don't tell the feature needs fixing and this is how, but hey, btw., haven't used that feature yet ... aeh shut up ?! Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?! |

Sara Tosa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.22 09:53:00 -
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Rena Emishi wrote:Yarda Black wrote:Already implemented. Its called a lvl5. Level 5s do not have the features I described. and you missed the most important part... removing the risk free isk making level 4s from high sec and moving em to low. why? exactly explain your reasoning, just saying that its risk free its not a reason, spinning ships in a station is risk free. |

Sara Tosa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.22 09:55:00 -
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Christopher Tsutola wrote:How about we just bring the level four difficulty back up to what it used to be so remove advanced ai from npc and let you aggro everything on your and permatank while your glass-cannon dps alt + drones blaps at their leasure? |

Mason Drake
SGK Inc
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Posted - 2014.07.22 10:31:00 -
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Rena Emishi wrote:All level 4s should be moved to low sec. With a slight isk buff.
Don't all freak out about it already read on.
To help the brave mission runners, and challenge the noble pirates -- while in the low sec level 4 mission.. you mission runners are able to use a distress beacon button, when used a few concord helper drones warp in heal your shields and armor and help you dps- obviously only useable when aggressed by a player while in a mission, any rats on grid target the mission invader, perhaps the mission invader would need a special scanner mod to break into the mission thus hurting his set up. Perhaps mission invading could be limited to one pirate per mission. so a gank squad of 5 cant come in, perhaps these new level 4s can be rebalanced so mission runners can complete then in pvp fits etc.
P.s im not a pirate. I'm not even a mission runner.. I'd become a mission runner if something like this was implemented as I it would add danger and fun.
LOL . . so this can be more accurately translated to:
"I want free big ISK kills on mission runner ships that are easy gank targets for PvP boats to pad my kill board with." |

Mhari Dson
Lazy Brothers Inc
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Posted - 2014.07.22 11:05:00 -
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The entire mission system needs work, there's so much that could be changed to make it more in line that I'm not sure where to start.
BUT in support of risk vs rewards, remember also that the lower the sec status the higher the rewards (+10% to payout in LP/mission reward for each 0.1 below 1.0) Hence why L4 agents in 0.5 sec will have far more people than a similar agent in 0.8. Add in the gank/pvp factor and 0.4 and down get far less traffic because pve and pvp fits are mutually exclusive.
Take away HS L4's, L3's get speedrun, take the L3's too and you'll see L2's get similar attention, see the pattern here?
As for free safe isk, undock a blingboat in Osmon, Umokka, or any other L4 hotspot and in a day or 2 you'll find out for yourself how unsafe it can be. |

Fourteen Maken
VipeRs Pit
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Posted - 2014.07.22 11:54:00 -
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Rena Emishi wrote:All level 4s should be moved to low sec. With a slight isk buff.
Don't all freak out about it already read on.
To help the brave mission runners, and challenge the noble pirates -- while in the low sec level 4 mission.. you mission runners are able to use a distress beacon button, when used a few concord helper drones warp in heal your shields and armor and help you dps- obviously only useable when aggressed by a player while in a mission, any rats on grid target the mission invader, perhaps the mission invader would need a special scanner mod to break into the mission thus hurting his set up. Perhaps mission invading could be limited to one pirate per mission. so a gank squad of 5 cant come in, perhaps these new level 4s can be rebalanced so mission runners can complete then in pvp fits etc.
P.s im not a pirate. I'm not even a mission runner.. I'd become a mission runner if something like this was implemented as I it would add danger and fun.
Okay, go get your shiniest bestest mission ship and meet me in Tama so we can test this idea out. i'll bring a bantam so when you type "Concord pls halp" in local i'll warp in and heal your shields. |

Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
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Posted - 2014.07.22 12:09:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Your absolutely right OP, the risk reward is certainly skewed, but I think an easier solution would be to quadruple the rewards and bounties for missions in Low Sec.
Should solve all your problems. :)
Or to further on that idea; Change all LVL-4 mission to 2 or 3 on 1 encounters with the rats having all the abilities of a PVP ship, Drones, Scram, Web, Neut and ECM all built in, a 100k to 200k+ omni tank rat with either passive or active regen, all the bounties you would have gotten for the equivalent mission wrapped up in one rat, (20mil + bounty, plus 15 mil T2 salvage in place of Angel Extrav). So the mission runner can warp in with a PVP fit ship rather than the active tank PVE ships required now to tank 30+ extremely weak rats. Then I am sure you will see some (Not a lot but some) mission runners in Low sec, since there is actually a balance in the risk reward.
Currently the Risk is all on the PVE guy when it comes to PVP in a PVE fitted ship.
And it has been said already, but again changing the game to allow you the ability to shoot at billion+ ISK ships without risk of losing your PVP ship is not balance, it just childish. Want to shoot expensive ships? join Goons or PL they shoot at a Capital at least once a day, you can split that loot with the 254 other guys on the killmail.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |

Raw Matters
Brilliant Starfire
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Posted - 2014.07.22 18:01:00 -
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I am having trouble understanding the joke the OP obviously made. |

voetius
BITB Support Services
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Posted - 2014.07.22 21:24:00 -
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Jango Cane wrote:virm pasuul wrote:It's a hugely flawed idea. It doesn't need tweaking, it needs taking out back and shooting and dumping in the river. Level 4 mission runner that doesn't want to lose his meal ticket.
elite pvper hiding behind npc corp alt |

epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
842
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Posted - 2014.07.22 21:44:00 -
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doesn't even deserve a reply, faulty assumptions, faulty logic, faulty suggestion, faulty balance.
not even a nerf HISec thread, more " I see an exploit in this, I hope CCP are stupid and Give me unlimited free shiny kills."
so not supported. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
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