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CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2003.09.30 19:43:00 - [1] Edited by: CT BadIronTree on 30/09/2003 20:05:30 from news... "Exploiting thwarted There have been concerns from some users that we have let exploiters go too easily. Stand assured that we handle all exploits very seriously. Exploits vary in size and extent and on global impact on the game. Some exploits are such that many people actually do them inadvertently, while others systematically maximize their profit from them. On a case-by-case basis, we decide what to do with the exploiters, but the usual punishment is permanent ban from the game. We have recently uncovered some networks of exploiters, many of them linked to online auctioning of credits and items. We have taken tough action against those and all those that were directly involved with them. All their accounts have been closed and all personal ( in game ) as well as corporate properties confiscated. Soon we will publish a more explicit banning policy, so that users are well aware of the repercussions of their actions." lets tell all the exploid-bugs we know.. and never bug report... i will say one... that every big corp use (they pod me 100 times for that) there is a way to make large standar cargo (not sec.) to stay in space for ever... dont know how :) next.... dont know how... but i have see it.. 2 weeks floating and still going... ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------
Sc0rpion	Posted - 2003.09.30 19:46:00 - [2] 3...2...1... "The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously." -Freidrich Nietzche
CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2003.09.30 19:50:00 - [3] first pod kill... :P lol one person say in game will pod me for that lol ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------
PsXDnS	Posted - 2003.09.30 19:50:00 - [4] Quote: 3...2...1... Ope so close... wait, nevermind .
CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2003.09.30 20:07:00 - [5] Quote: Ope so close... wait, nevermind . dont get it "Ope"? ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.30 20:11:00 - [6] More on topic... Why would any big corp want to have a large can foating in space forever??? The roids pop so quickly and the containers holds so little ore... M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
SavX	Posted - 2003.09.30 20:15:00 - [7] duplicates pile of 400 Miner II's Exploits? What exploits? Don't Kill The Corp.. Kill the Suppliers.
Plasmatique	Posted - 2003.09.30 20:36:00 - [8] All their accounts have been closed and all personal ( in game ) as well as corporate properties confiscated. Ya know what I want to ask... ..................................... Proud Owner of a Navy Issue Raven
Alexia Te'Len	Posted - 2003.09.30 20:38:00 - [9] Can I have their stuff? Or their names, at least?
CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2003.09.30 20:41:00 - [10] yes i would like to see a black list or a "shame" list of "bad" people :) ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------

Carbon	Posted - 2003.09.30 20:50:00 - [11] The most tantalizing eve news item I've ever read.. yet we've been given no names! Such a teeze.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.09.30 21:39:00 - [12] Wasn't me. I'm still whoring on these boards LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Gigi Ana	Posted - 2003.09.30 21:41:00 - [13] Quote: The most tantalizing eve news item I've ever read.. yet we've been given no names! Such a teeze. I'm sure policy prohibits discussion of disciplinary actions on everybody's part, so you aren't likely to see a list of names ... if I was more industrious I'd look it up, but I'm not ... I'm sleepy. Good night. ~Gigi~
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2003.09.30 21:42:00 - [14] You can get advice for that sort of thing you know Josh . _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
Orestes	Posted - 2003.09.30 21:44:00 - [15] Please discuss this without accusing anyone. Think of it, how would you feel if you were accused without any sort of proof? ;) Join the IC!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.09.30 21:45:00 - [16] Quote: Please discuss this without accusing anyone. Think of it, how would you feel if you were accused without any sort of proof? ;) The same way as I'd feel if I lost a ship to CTD without any proof LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Ganja	Posted - 2003.09.30 21:47:00 - [17] I only know of a group of people who have been banned for duplication of items which in turn they'd sell cheap and ebay earnings. I never quite figured out how 'Gladiatrix' could have 2 Bil in his wallet and over 6 Bil in assets.. Anyways, Gladiatrix lived off of Ebay, so in turn, leeched out of EVE. He seemed like a good guy, but this isn't exactly respectable. Anyways, Gladiatrix and majority, if not all, of Fallen Angels has been banned. CCP don't play when it comes to cheating. Heh.. a friend of mine heard about what happened to Glad, and thought 'Mmm? Duplication?'.. so he went and screwed around and ended up making a second bestower. Then about 5 minutes later TomB ganked his ass into the farthest reaches of Jove space. There lay TomB, in his Leviathon. DUN DUN DUN.. anyways, interrogation came through.. but was only warned for that he was only 'testing' the exploit. There are rumors, and I wont point fingers or elbows at my various sources, but that Gladiatrix had a whopping 882Billion megacyte. The rumor states that Glad duped mega and sold it in high sec (which has been seen) for 6k in large amounts.. Go ahead - Exploit, then feel the wrath of TomB!
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.09.30 21:48:00 - [18] Edited by: Morkt Drak on 30/09/2003 21:53:53 blerg
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.09.30 21:51:00 - [19] 882B megacyte? I have some idea how the duplication bug works and it is very very sneaky. It's gratifying to know TomB caught your friend, but what about the 882B megacyte? That wasn't caught. Was it? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
NeoMorph	Posted - 2003.09.30 21:52:00 - [20] Quote: Please discuss this without accusing anyone. Think of it, how would you feel if you were accused without any sort of proof? ;) Been there, done that, got accused for something I havent done (apparently I was "dangerously close to being banned for reporting gm conversations") and I'm still annoyed about it. I've even asked to see what evidence that they have that was in any way breaking the rules but they told me I couldnt see it. shrugs ------------------------------------------- <Stavros> the first motor bike i ever rode <Stavros> was a honda gold wing <Ak-Gara> hah <Stavros>

Ganja	Posted - 2003.09.30 21:53:00 - [21] Quote: 882B megacyte? I have some idea how the duplication bug works and it is very very sneaky. It's gratifying to know TomB caught your friend, but what about the 882B megacyte? That wasn't caught. Was it? Just as the news said: Quote: All their accounts have been closed and all personal ( in game ) as well as corporate properties confiscated. So, in turn, Yes. 882b mega is gone.. :)
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.30 21:53:00 - [22] Quote: Edited by: Morkt Drak on 30/09/2003 21:49:00 Quote: Please discuss this without accusing anyone. Think of it, how would you feel if you were accused without any sort of proof? ;) And hence the reason why I prefer sploiters to simply go quietly into the night: A they make a lot less noise The only time you need to publicize something like that is when you've done a crappy job in the first place (read: AC1) I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.09.30 21:57:00 - [23] aye - crushing exploit accounts is always good for the game... comprehensive management of all angles of those exploiting is even better. the good/bad for shouting about success though is a moot point.
PsXDnS	Posted - 2003.09.30 22:00:00 - [24] Orestes kinda funny how when I post proof, you lock my thread :) n00b.
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2003.09.30 22:02:00 - [25] Learn to accept Orestes. I have. He's a constant in the forums, like Joshua Calvert and the New Thread option . _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.
Ganja	Posted - 2003.09.30 22:02:00 - [26] Quote: Orestes kinda funny how when I post proof, you lock my thread :) n00b. Theres a difference between trolling and being civilized.
Plasmatique	Posted - 2003.09.30 22:35:00 - [27] Quote: Can I have their stuff? Or their names, at least? Exactly! ..................................... Proud Owner of a Navy Issue Raven
Plasmatique	Posted - 2003.09.30 22:36:00 - [28] Edited by: Plasmatique on 30/09/2003 22:39:36 Oops ..................................... Proud Owner of a Navy Issue Raven
j0sephine	Posted - 2003.09.30 23:07:00 - [29] "Then about 5 minutes later TomB ganked his ass into the farthest reaches of Jove space. There lay TomB, in his Leviathon. DUN DUN DUN.. anyways, interrogation came through.. but was only warned for that he was only 'testing' the exploit." ... So that's the way to get to the Jove space and see all the cool new content...
Drethen Nerevitas	Posted - 2003.09.30 23:14:00 - [30] Activate the bug'o'mater Ensign! Prepare to arrive in hostile Jove territory in 5... All you gotta do is kill a GM and you're free to make a living . _______________________________________________________________________ *IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.* 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7.

Raven DeBlade	Posted - 2003.10.01 00:42:00 - [31] i also hope they understand that they have commited a fraudulent act, i.e "fraud" and will be procecuted. it IS against the law to counterfeit money and sell for REAL money, even though its "game money" i hope others that do this in EVE understand how grave this actually is. "To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees" "Any statements made above this line are my persona"
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2003.10.01 00:52:00 - [32] man, i sure love quafe. -zips- __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
Kalki Nibiru	Posted - 2003.10.01 01:31:00 - [33] Quote: i also hope they understand that they have commited a fraudulent act, i.e "fraud" and will be procecuted. it IS against the law to counterfeit money and sell for REAL money, even though its "game money" i hope others that do this in EVE understand how grave this actually is. Actually no, you are wrong. It is NOT against the law to "counterfeit" 'fake' money and sell it for real money (IE. It wouldnt be illegal for me to photo-copy monopoly money and sell it for real money, however there may be copyright infringement in that instance). Unless you know the law, dont post useless drivel. Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate . <Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market? <Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with
Raven DeBlade	Posted - 2003.10.01 01:56:00 - [34] its not "drivel" its against the law to commit fraud... "To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees" "Any statements made above this line are my persona"
StealthNet	Posted - 2003.10.01 01:56:00 - [35] Raven, your sig is beautiful congrats Exploiters stink. There is nothing worse than an exploiter. Ban is the only thing against them. I would like to see some bans based on things sold on eBay (it's against the eula right ?) I really hope CCP has the right track to get these bastards down. A blacklist would be nice too (I don't know if it is against the eula tho - but knowing the chars banned for exploiting would give everyone out there a taste of what may happen if they try to exploit the game). _______________________________________________
Kalki Nibiru	Posted - 2003.10.01 02:10:00 - [36] Quote: its not "drivel" its against the law to commit fraud... Yeah, fraud. Unfortunetly, your grasp of the law is only on its basics. What you posted was drivel and I rebutted your main point on the counterfeiting. They arent commiting fraud (in a legal sense) when they exploit game parameters in a video game, you may consider it to be fraud, but legally, they cannot be prosecuted for what they have done, CCP could file charges, but they wouldnt have a leg to stand on. Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate . <Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market? <Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with
Johnson McCrae	Posted - 2003.10.01 03:03:00 - [37] Kalki, does the phrase 'theft of services' mean anything to you? NO? Then maybe you should. In this case, your supposed to be PAYING for a service (Eve), and if you utilize this service to make money against their rules, your are, in fact, 'Stealing' their service. Law, when properly applied, tends to be complicated by the language it uses. But those of us that understand that language, weild it like gladiatorial swords. It ain't over till the fat lady falls on ya! [ 2004.10.09 02:50:23 ] (combat) Your 425mm Compressed Coil Gun I perfectly strikes Guardian Sentry, wrecking for 747.3 damage.
Lone Gunman	Posted - 2003.10.01 03:19:00 - [38] Quote: In this case, your supposed to be PAYING for a service (Eve), and if you utilize this service to make money against their rules, your are, in fact, 'Stealing' their service. First it was Fraud, now it's theft of service? In most cases the items sold have the disclaimer that what they are paying for is the "Time" it took for the seller to aquire the object, and that all intangable game items remain the property of CCP.
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.10.01 03:32:00 - [39] Quote: Kalki, does the phrase 'theft of services' mean anything to you? NO? Then maybe you should. In this case, your supposed to be PAYING for a service (Eve), and if you utilize this service to make money against their rules, your are, in fact, 'Stealing' their service. Law, when properly applied, tends to be complicated by the language it uses. But those of us that understand that language, weild it like gladiatorial swords. actually with "intangibles" abstraction is often preferably (used) to "theft". Does virtual crome need real Justice?
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.01 03:37:00 - [40] Quote: Kalki, does the phrase 'theft of services' mean anything to you? NO? Then maybe you should. ...YAWN... Law, when properly applied, tends to be complicated by the language it uses. But those of us that understand that language, weild it like gladiatorial swords. Does the phrase 'Armchair Matlock' mean anything to you? I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante

Cao Cao	Posted - 2003.10.01 03:59:00 - [41] On the whole prosecution thing.. It is fairly safe to say there is no definite answer to this question. Computer crimes are a very vague and very undefined area of the law. I took a class in computer crime last year (I am a 3rd year law student in the U.S.) and at least under U.S. law it is very plausible that CCP could have at least a civil case to prosecute. There may also be criminal liability under RICO or wire fraud. I've never heard of a fact pattern like this, but it would be VERY interesting if there actually were a prosecution brought against any of the participants.
Luna	Posted - 2003.10.01 04:17:00 - [42] I would like to see the corps involved posted at least.... I think that would be fair. I just hope this limits exploiting in all ways. but yeah, this news briefing was a tease....
Kalki Nibiru	Posted - 2003.10.01 04:25:00 - [43] Edited by: Kalki Nibiru on 01/10/2003 04:33:25 Quote: Kalki, does the phrase 'theft of services' mean anything to you? NO? Then maybe you should. In this case, your supposed to be PAYING for a service (Eve), and if you utilize this service to make money against their rules, your are, in fact, 'Stealing' their service. Law, when properly applied, tends to be complicated by the language it uses. But those of us that understand that language, weild it like gladiatorial swords. I know law, thats why I am talking about it. I am also very familliar with how it works and how its worded. What you are saying is completely without merit, how are exploiters 'stealing the service'? Now when you make your explanation, apply it to a piece of statute law, quote the statute and provide me the source (it better be a government source, or a reprint {IE. Cornell's reprint of the US Code}). Edit for Cao Cao RICO only applies to organized crime, money laundering, that kind of thing, it cannot apply under these circumstances. Now as for the vagueness of computer crime, all you need to do is show how computer crime is no different than the tangible equivilent and you will have yourself a case. I agree that CCP could have a civil trial, but civil torts have different rules than criminal trials, and I believe if you look at what the exploiters have done, it would be absolutely foolish to pursue one as you have questionable grounds in the first place (what they did barely constitutes any crime, and thats stretching the imagination), and secondly, CCP would only be wasting time and money for something that has arguably done zero damage to anything (again, you could say they 'damaged' the market economy which is integral to the game, but thats a big stretch when you consider the market as a whole). Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate . <Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market? <Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with
Kilhu Emmek	Posted - 2003.10.01 04:28:00 - [44] Quote: I would like to see the corps involved posted at least.... I think that would be fair. I just hope this limits exploiting in all ways. but yeah, this news briefing was a tease.... Pretty hard to post with NO ACCOUNT. I love that exploiters get banned. Hope CCP gets them all. Gradient is hiring. Read our Code of Conduct before applying.
Cao Cao	Posted - 2003.10.01 04:49:00 - [45] Kalki, I took a course about RICO, trust me, I know what it applies to. It applies to any "organization" that exists for the purpose to commit a fraud. Organization has a very loose definition - it need not be any tangible partnership, corporation, or anything of the sort. It can simply be a network of individuals. How this applies to online crime is really an unexplored area of the law. There is a valid argument to both sides. And you completely ignored my point about wire fraud. Any time you commit a fraud that utilizes ANY wired communication network (phone lines, fiber optic cables, etc.) in the U.S., you can be charged under the wire fraud statutes. And yes, there is a very valid argument that if you are breaking the terms of service (read: EULA) of an online game and then benefiting from your actions via EBAY or other online auction site, you are committing a fraud chargeable under the statute. TRUST me on this. And RICO could be established if there is a "network" of people in EVE or hell, an EVE "virtual" corporation that exists for the purpose of furthering the fraud. Yes, sounds like Fallen Angels might just meet the standard. Just because a prosecution like this hasn't actually been undertaken in the past doesn't mean there aren't any valid arguments that it could take place in the future. It seems to me that if what I read in this thread is true, there is a very convincing argument that these crimes have taken place. It would really just depend on whether the judge you get is computer literate or not, or capable of understanding these types of things.
Kalki Nibiru	Posted - 2003.10.01 06:56:00 - [46] Cao Cao, I see where you are going with your argument, and I do believe you when you say you have taken a course on RICO. I trust that your understanding of the laws of the United States are far greater than I as am not a United States citizen. I'm sorry for not addressing your wire fraud point, I read RICO, and just skipped over the wire fraud by accident. I guess for my response to that, and RICO, would be this: You would have a much better case for wire fraud (a crime I didnt consider when I was posting) because as you did say, Wire Fraud does involve any fraudulent activities commited on wired technologies, however without looking for precedent setting cases, it would be up to the judge to decide if the exploit or products of the exploit constituted a crime and conversely it would be up to the defense to show that what has happened is not a crime, I would imagine they would cite cases from other MMOG's. RICO is a different story, you are very right about the in game corporations possibly constituting an 'organization' however, if you look at Title 18, Part I, Chapter 96 (RICO) and look at what must be true to be charged under it, you would need several stretches in interpretation of what has happend to justify it. I mean all of the above with the utmost respect, I dont want to appear to belittle someone with as much knowledge as you. Strictly on what the law says, I dont see how this can apply without stretching out interpretations. I would cite specifics, however this forum isnt exactly a law forum, and I've de-railed the subject a bit. In this conversation and or debate, I concede the victory to you because in the end, stretches or not, it comes down to interpretation and if the judge is technologicaly literate, he could go either way and set precedent for future cases (barring the 9th Circuit doesnt reverse the decision). Good luck with Law, you already sound like you are going to be a good lawyer. Do you plan on doing criminal law? Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate . <Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market? <Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with
Halo Jones	Posted - 2003.10.01 07:09:00 - [47] Let's stop talking about the law and talk about the game. This previously mentioned group in individuals duplicated stuff, sold it to make isk, then flogged the isk on ebay for dollars. After the dolars were paid the isk were transferred. What I want to know is just how much other stuff in game has been duplicated? How many individuals and corporations, haven't exploited to the same extent that it hasn't been so obvious? Can these people be traced, and the duplicate stuff removed? It kinda irritating to find that you mining/barter/trade/run fd and pf for weeks to gather minerals to build a Battleship, only to know someone can produce fleets of them with little or no effort. I would suggest some sort of ingame amenesty for those who come forward to the GMs now, and tell them what they have done, have the items removed, and permabanning of Ccard accounts from eve for those who don't. We all know something needs to be done, and fast, just wonder ca the devs spare the time and resources for a proper 'inquistition'. Oberon Incorporated.
voogru	Posted - 2003.10.01 07:13:00 - [48] Quote: Let's stop talking about the law and talk about the game. This previously mentioned group in individuals duplicated stuff, sold it to make isk, then flogged the isk on ebay for dollars. After the dolars were paid the isk were transferred. What I want to know is just how much other stuff in game has been duplicated? How many individuals and corporations, haven't exploited to the same extent that it hasn't been so obvious? Can these people be traced, and the duplicate stuff removed? It kinda irritating to find that you mining/barter/trade/run fd and pf for weeks to gather minerals to build a Battleship, only to know someone can produce fleets of them with little or no effort. I would suggest some sort of ingame amenesty for those who come forward to the GMs now, and tell them what they have done, have the items removed, and permabanning of Ccard accounts from eve for those who don't. We all know something needs to be done, and fast, just wonder ca the devs spare the time and resources for a proper 'inquistition'. If items can still be duped, TomB should focus on making the items code more robust. ------- Your 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes Guardian Enforcer, wrecking for 827.3 damage.
Jael Markinsen	Posted - 2003.10.01 12:38:00 - [49] So, umm... Cao Cao, when concord ever gets around to arresting me for crimes against the eve-online community, you are going to be my free phone call buddy!! You have good rates right?
Scragg	Posted - 2003.10.01 12:49:00 - [50] Quote: Anyways, Gladiatrix lived off of Ebay, so in turn, leeched out of EVE. There are rumors, and I wont point fingers or elbows at my various sources, but that Gladiatrix had a whopping 882Billion megacyte. The rumor states that Glad duped mega and sold it in high sec (which has been seen) for 6k in large amounts.. Go ahead - Exploit, then feel the wrath of TomB! Go TomB! Go! And a message to you idiots. Greed will be your downfall every time! Play the game, follow the rules and have fun. Quit dorking it up for those of us that actually enjoy the game the way it should be played. Where do I sign up to help find the exploiters and bring them to justice? Eve mail me and I'll do anyhting I can to help. Scragg, Tyrell Corporation Vice-Director Military Operations

SavX	Posted - 2003.10.01 13:14:00 - [51] Quote: And a message to you idiots. Greed will be your downfall every time! Play the game, follow the rules and have fun. Quit dorking it up for those of us that actually enjoy the game the way it should be played. Where do I sign up to help find the exploiters and bring them to justice? Eve mail me and I'll do anyhting I can to help. I would never exploit, but there will always be petty little cheats in EVE, its a online game, EVERY online game has had its share of exploits/hacks. I just hope EVE doesn't turn out like other games which have been destroyed by hacks, and EVE is still young, exploits from new patches could come.. Don't Kill The Corp.. Kill the Suppliers.
Morkt Drakt	Posted - 2003.10.01 13:21:00 - [52] Quote: I would never exploit snip Thats a bit like saying you would never break the speed limit... everybody does.. just they dont always realise it or dont consider it an illegala ct.. same applies with many of these guys, they seriously dont consider it wrong
Scragg	Posted - 2003.10.01 13:27:00 - [53] Yep. The game is buggy. I even found a dupe bug by accident. If I can ever figure out exactly how I did it I'll report it. Scragg, Tyrell Corporation Vice-Director Military Operations
WhiteDwarf	Posted - 2003.10.02 02:43:00 - [54] "Think of it, how would you feel if you were accused without any sort of proof?" Like me being wrongfully accused of being a "carebear"? Yes people, please refrain from pointing fingers. "Trust No One"
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.02 03:35:00 - [55] Quote: "Think of it, how would you feel if you were accused without any sort of proof?" Like me being wrongfully accused of being a "carebear"? Yes people, please refrain from pointing fingers. No...everyone has seen enough evidence to officially grant you that title. I hear you get fanmail from Cheer Bear I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante


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