They look under market control to me.

IBTL

This is ridiculous, as someone who doesn't buy or sell PLEX, I am infuriated that PLEX will undoubtedly hit 1b within 2 weeks.

Wait hang on, I'm getting something. Sorry, I was wrong, apparently PLEX are dropping in price.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2beil6/ccp_10_off_plex_sale_plus_20_off_at_gmg_cheap/

This is ridiculous

In all fairness, the velocity of price increases on Plex are ridiculous this year.

Whatever the cause[s], it needs to be addressed, asap.

PLEX prices rise = Tinfoil prices go up.

PLEX prices drop = Tinfoil prices go up.

PLEX remains steady = Tinfoil prices go up.


Clearly, tinfoil prices are out of control.

Oh, is it time to whine about PLEx prices again, already?

This is ridiculous, as someone who doesn't buy or sell PLEX, I am infuriated that PLEX will undoubtedly hit 1b within 2 weeks.

Wait hang on, I'm getting something. Sorry, I was wrong, apparently PLEX are dropping in price.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2beil6/ccp_10_off_plex_sale_plus_20_off_at_gmg_cheap/

Whatever the cause[s], it needs to be addressed, asap.

PLEX prices rise = Tinfoil prices go up.

PLEX prices drop = Tinfoil prices go up.

PLEX remains steady = Tinfoil prices go up.


Clearly, tinfoil prices are out of control.

Tinfoil prices go up = tinfoil prices go up more

I'll get right on that.

Aye I know, it's flailing. Not too mad personally, but it's not nice watching people unsub over this and genuinely throw in. And they are, across game. I'm not inclined to get into snidey arguments over isk ph vs -úph with people I know, because tbh some of them were pissed off already about long term game trends. And you really can't teach people NOT to grind.

Some of us haven't being smacking down the PLEX debates since they popped up, because this is a remarkarble level of inflation. Gettit, remarkable? (Sorry, couldn't resist :P) It's probably not the best pool to chat in (MD ftw) but there aren't many people left alive there who care either v0v

I don't have a theory, no solution, but commenting that it's bad (instead of slapping people around for observing the same) isn't an attack on CCP or anyone in particular. Still needs to be addressed, and losing Eggy is a bit of a worry. Nobody came out after he left and assured us an economist was keeping an eye, and things seem to be spiralling since then, so

Are out of game attempts to manipulate ingame PLEX pricing upwards by spreading misinformation (like this thread does) actually OK according to the EULA ????

There are PLEX at Jita right now for a bit over 770 mill and at least 30 Jita PLEX under 785 mill which is more than 100 mill down on PLEX prices two weeks ago. PLEX are dropping.





I find it VERY suspicious that every time PLEX prices DROP a bit we get a heap of these "OMG look PLEX will hit a billion this week" threads :D



Are out of game attempts to manipulate ingame PLEX pricing upwards by spreading misinformation (like this thread does) actually OK according to the EULA ????

There are PLEX at Jita right now for a bit over 770 mill and at least 30 Jita PLEX under 785 mill which is more than 100 mill down on PLEX prices two weeks ago. PLEX are dropping.





I find it VERY suspicious that every time PLEX prices DROP a bit we get a heap of these "OMG look PLEX will hit a billion this week" threads :D



Are out of game attempts to manipulate ingame PLEX pricing upwards by spreading misinformation (like this thread does) actually OK according to the EULA ????

And you really can't teach people NOT to grind.

This made me laugh, thanks i needed that :)

Supply, demand, marketing, basic economics ...........

Is it really basic economics if ignorant morons don't understand it?

Ok, you got me, advanced economics to ignorant morons. But, I do think smart morons would understand basic economics. Wouldn't they?

Wait hang on, I'm getting something. Sorry, I was wrong, apparently PLEX are dropping in price.

More people living in null and wormholes and generating large amounts of isk with either little risk (null) or very little time invested (WH space). This allows more people to finance their accounts with said isk.

You forgot to mention the largest area for generating large amounts of isk with even less risk - highsec.

In all fairness, the velocity of price increases on Plex are ridiculous this year.

Whatever the cause[s], it needs to be addressed, asap.

For CCP's defense I think they're aware of the issue and doing their best to adress it properly. But it's not easy. They can't sell unlimited amounts of plexes on the market, they can't stop people from stockpiling 2000 plexes, the only thing they can do is setting up a max price, but I'm not quite sure they're ready for that yet. They will have to anyway at some point just to calm down speculation because it's getting crazy.

Maybe one day someone will realize that free market can't work in a game when it's about real money trading. It's their business and they should set the price around what's profitable for them, not around what players want it to be.

For CCP's defense I think they're aware of the issue and doing their best to adress it properly. But it's not easy. They can't sell unlimited amounts of plexes on the market, they can't stop people from stockpiling 2000 plexes, the only thing they can do is setting up a max price, but I'm not quite sure they're ready for that yet. They will have to anyway at some point just to calm down speculation because it's getting crazy.

Maybe one day someone will realize that free market can't work in a game when it's about real money trading. It's their business and they should set the price around what's profitable for them, not around what players want it to be.

An option not yet explored is simply lowering the price of PLEX. The markup compared to a 30-day subscription is pretty huge.

imo a plex price should be the same as the monthly subscription fee for eve

but thats just my 2cents

Which would mean they'd start competing with their resellers, which is a no go.

If you ant cheaper PLEX, buy them somewhere else.

I pay 26 euro for a 60day GTC.

Plex should cost 4b-5b.

if their resellers are all significantly undercutting them already (yours sells for 1/3 less than CCP sell them) then that leaves plenty of scope for a reduction, no?

There are always going to be people who moan about the price of PLEX, if the price is high then people buying PLEX to extend game time are going to cry. If the PLEX price goes down then people who buy PLEX, people who save PLEX and CCP in general are going to cry. The Price drops too low and people stop subbing their accounts with monehs and start using PLEX because it is more affordable, and CCP cry some more.

Why would CCP care about in-game PLEX prices? They've already gotten their real life money for said PLEX from whoever purchased it to begin with.

Because they care about PCU. More people online makes a healthier game.

PLEX prices aren't a problem per se, but if they're going up mainly because people are hoarding them, using them to buy clothes, or training a secondary character on an account, CCP get the same revenue but (arguably) a less lively game.

Yes indeed. CCP's customers are also EVE's content. It would be better for CCP to have an extra 10,000 people logging in even if that meant they weren't getting any more money, because the additional content those 10k people provide would attract, convert and retain still more customers.

To bad some dont see the obviouse issues here...
More players = more upkeep(costs)
At one point ccp will spend more then gain if subs get to cheap.. There are limits to eve- one obviouse one is jita ;) another is having to wait 4 days to wait for help incase of acc issues!
At this point people are just butthurt cuz plex prices are to damn high **insert memegif**
http://cheezburger.com/6058880256

For CCP's defense I think they're aware of the issue and doing their best to adress it properly. But it's not easy. They can't sell unlimited amounts of plexes on the market, they can't stop people from stockpiling 2000 plexes, the only thing they can do is setting up a max price, but I'm not quite sure they're ready for that yet. They will have to anyway at some point just to calm down speculation because it's getting crazy.

Maybe one day someone will realize that free market can't work in a game when it's about real money trading. It's their business and they should set the price around what's profitable for them, not around what players want it to be.

Maybe one day someone will realize that free market can't work in a game when it's about real money trading. It's their business and they should set the price around what's profitable for them, not around what players want it to be.

What on earth makes you think the market isn't working?

Oh, I get it. The price of something is higher than you personally want to pay, so the market 'isn't working'. Gotcha.

Yeah! As if price fixing has ever worked from ancient babylon to today.

https://mises.org/books/fortycenturies.pdf

Why?

What is your reasoning for that?

Lots of people will buy plex with real money, sell it on market, jews will pick them up, and relist. Ta-daaaaaaa! Just as simple. What'd so hard to understand?

You didn't read OP, did you? It's ok, I wouldn't have read my post either.

and it makes plex cheaper so people will buy more of them and sel them for isk ingame = lower plex prices.

You're completely off-topic but nevermind. Just FYI yes it works if you do it with a simple purpose in mind. There are hundreds of historical examples proving it, and I suggest you don't try to initiate a debate with me on thius topic because at the end i'll be right, I have a phd in history and have better occupations than humiliating poor souls on the internet.

You're completely off-topic but nevermind. Just FYI yes it works if you do it with a simple purpose in mind. There are hundreds of historical examples proving it, and I suggest you don't try to initiate a debate with me on thius topic because at the end i'll be right, I have a phd in history and have better occupations than humiliating poor souls on the internet.

This is known as an Appeal to Accomplishment.

It is a logical fallacy.

Don't use it.

You're completely off-topic but nevermind. Just FYI yes it works if you do it with a simple purpose in mind. There are hundreds of historical examples proving it, and I suggest you don't try to initiate a debate with me on thius topic because at the end i'll be right, I have a phd in history and have better occupations than humiliating poor souls on the internet.

This thread is still open? What in the wide, wide world of sports is going on here?

Excessively high plex prices aren't good for CCP for a simple reason: people selling plexes are often the ones with little time and a good disposable income. If you give them too much ISK for their real money they will buy less plexes even if they could purchase more.

So high plex prices means that people get more in-game goods for their real money and don't need to buy more plexes. Since these people wouldn't play the game to get spaceships anyway, making them buy more plexes is easy to do, just give them less stuff for their cash. If you don't try to milk them too hard it will work, that doesn't mean they'll be happy to pay more but they will do it anyway. So the obvious way to sell more plexes isn't high in-game plex prices, it's actually lower in-game prices, because the vast majority of the plex buyers are a more or less captive audience and they will still need the same amount of ISK every month to meet their needs.

jews

You're completely off-topic but nevermind. Just FYI yes it works if you do it with a simple purpose in mind. There are hundreds of historical examples proving it, and I suggest you don't try to initiate a debate with me on thius topic because at the end i'll be right, I have a phd in history and have better occupations than humiliating poor souls on the internet.

Hell, some people still believe that Trickle Down really happens somewhere other than after sex.

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