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Breytli Woelin School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.07.23 00:36:00 - [1] - Quote I assumed the changes CCP discussed in the dev blogs and forums would be beneficial. I have yet to see how this is the case. Non-elite corps who focused on research and manufacturing appear to have been given their pink slips by CCP, as the changes make it much harder to use the benefits of a POS unless you're a big time research/manufacturing corp. Add to that the increased inconvenience of using a POS unless you're a big corp. The added "system tax" fees and the need to put the bpos in the POS instead of being able to store bpos at a station within several jumps further add to the inconvenience for anyone not in a big corp. Why bother having a POS if you're not a big corp now? Pardon the skepticism, and fan bois need not reply, but this seems to be a step backward from CCP's presumed goal of empowering the regular player, who pay their bills, and inviting more of those players in.
Paranoid Loyd 961	Posted - 2014.07.23 00:45:00 - [2] - Quote Obligatory: Cri us a river "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 1116	Posted - 2014.07.23 00:48:00 - [3] - Quote Breytli Woelin wrote: I assumed the changes CCP discussed in the dev blogs and forums would be beneficial. I have yet to see how this is the case. Non-elite corps who focused on research and manufacturing appear to have been given their pink slips by CCP, as the changes make it much harder to use the benefits of a POS unless you're a big time research/manufacturing corp. Add to that the increased inconvenience of using a POS unless you're a big corp. The added "system tax" fees and the need to put the bpos in the POS instead of being able to store bpos at a station within several jumps further add to the inconvenience for anyone not in a big corp. Why bother having a POS if you're not a big corp now? Pardon the skepticism, and fan bois need not reply, but this seems to be a step backward from CCP's presumed goal of empowering the regular player, who pay their bills, and inviting more of those players in. They removed station queues - ie a player like me that operated a small research pos for 2 years to get around the historically absurd queues on me research and bpo copying can just use a station now, so I pulled up my pos because I don't need it. That is more, not less accessible to little corps/individuals.
Breytli Woelin School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.07.23 00:51:00 - [4] - Quote But regular stations don't, from what I see, have the time and efficiency bonuses for research or manufacturing that a POS does. Or am I misreading? Have they effectively removed those benefits from POS's?
Breytli Woelin School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.07.23 00:52:00 - [5] - Quote And forgot to add to the last, okay, so individuals gain a little more access. What about my original question: what is the point of a POS now for non-elite corps?
Zinther Del'Ara Viziam Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2014.07.23 00:53:00 - [6] - Quote A fresh character in one of the big 0.0 alliances can do better than a dedicated character/corp in highsec because change.
Hevymetal Eve Defence Force Cult of War 328	Posted - 2014.07.23 00:59:00 - [7] - Quote Lets not forget about the nerfed POS anchoring standings requirements. That alone put several corps out of business who specialized in corp creation and pos anchoring sevices. I think most reseach corporations without other means of income will be flat lining soon as well. - Throws in the obligatory, "This is Eve, adapt or die."
Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 1027	Posted - 2014.07.23 01:02:00 - [8] - Quote Breytli Woelin wrote: And forgot to add to the last, okay, so individuals gain a little more access. What about my original question: what is the point of a POS now for non-elite corps? If you aren't using it enough to justify its cost then don't. Nothing wrong here. Just like if you don't need the benefits offered by plopping down a classroom outpost and holding sov, you don't need to.
DaReaper Net 7 The Last Brigade 745	Posted - 2014.07.23 01:09:00 - [9] - Quote If the pos does things better, and everyone will pay roughly the same fee to use a pos... then the issue is what? You and your competitors pay roughly the same. You can do things more efficiently in a pos then a station. I really don;t see how this kills anything. And if you grab your pos and move to a back water system it will be cheaper then your competitors. Just make the pos harder to kill so someone won;t bug you if they are looking for targets.. adapt or die, it really is not bloody hard. Or is there something i am totally missing cause i'm just not seeing it. In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6247	Posted - 2014.07.23 01:16:00 - [10] - Quote DaReaper wrote: adapt or die, it really is not bloody hard. but dying is so unbalanced ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.

Breytli Woelin School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.07.23 01:27:00 - [11] - Quote DaReaper wrote: If the pos does things better, and everyone will pay roughly the same fee to use a pos... then the issue is what? You and your competitors pay roughly the same. You can do things more efficiently in a pos then a station. I really don;t see how this kills anything. And if you grab your pos and move to a back water system it will be cheaper then your competitors. Just make the pos harder to kill so someone won;t bug you if they are looking for targets.. adapt or die, it really is not bloody hard. Or is there something i am totally missing cause i'm just not seeing it. No, apparently you're not seeing "it," the impact on the general player and corp who could afford to compete before this. Have you failed to see how many people are closing their POS's as a result? While it's true that general players and their competitors pay the same, the ability to cover the costs is not the same across the board, as you seem to assume. Smaller corps now have to pay the same price as larger corps, which further reduces the likelihood of smaller corps forming and prospering in industry. One of the enjoyments of Eve over the years has been CCP's efforts at making and maintaining space (no, not outer space) and opportunities outside large corps and alliances.
DaReaper Net 7 The Last Brigade 745	Posted - 2014.07.23 01:30:00 - [12] - Quote Breytli Woelin wrote: DaReaper wrote: If the pos does things better, and everyone will pay roughly the same fee to use a pos... then the issue is what? You and your competitors pay roughly the same. You can do things more efficiently in a pos then a station. I really don;t see how this kills anything. And if you grab your pos and move to a back water system it will be cheaper then your competitors. Just make the pos harder to kill so someone won;t bug you if they are looking for targets.. adapt or die, it really is not bloody hard. Or is there something i am totally missing cause i'm just not seeing it. No, apparently you're not seeing "it," the impact on the general player and corp who could afford to compete before this. Have you failed to see how many people are closing their POS's as a result? While it's true that general players and their competitors pay the same, the ability to cover the costs is not the same across the board, as you seem to assume. Smaller corps now have to pay the same price as larger corps, which further reduces the likelihood of smaller corps forming and prospering in industry. One of the enjoyments of Eve over the years has been CCP's efforts at making and maintaining space (no, not outer space) and opportunities outside large corps and alliances. I disagree. But we will see once everything has settled and people stop knee jerking In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6249	Posted - 2014.07.23 01:39:00 - [13] - Quote Knee jerking is pretty important, I guess ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 985	Posted - 2014.07.23 01:40:00 - [14] - Quote Zinther Del'Ara wrote: A fresh character in one of the big 0.0 alliances can do better than a dedicated character/corp in highsec because change. Sounds good. EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 1028	Posted - 2014.07.23 01:42:00 - [15] - Quote Breytli Woelin wrote: DaReaper wrote: If the pos does things better, and everyone will pay roughly the same fee to use a pos... then the issue is what? You and your competitors pay roughly the same. You can do things more efficiently in a pos then a station. I really don;t see how this kills anything. And if you grab your pos and move to a back water system it will be cheaper then your competitors. Just make the pos harder to kill so someone won;t bug you if they are looking for targets.. adapt or die, it really is not bloody hard. Or is there something i am totally missing cause i'm just not seeing it. No, apparently you're not seeing "it," the impact on the general player and corp who could afford to compete before this. Have you failed to see how many people are closing their POS's as a result? While it's true that general players and their competitors pay the same, the ability to cover the costs is not the same across the board, as you seem to assume. Smaller corps now have to pay the same price as larger corps, which further reduces the likelihood of smaller corps forming and prospering in industry. One of the enjoyments of Eve over the years has been CCP's efforts at making and maintaining space (no, not outer space) and opportunities outside large corps and alliances. Players are closing POSes because they no longer need multiple to run efficiently. Players are closing POSes because they now have cheaper and more effective options elsewhere. I don't see where someone was running an effective POS before can't do it now.
Kaaeliaa Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin 5503	Posted - 2014.07.23 01:44:00 - [16] - Quote Rhes wrote: Zinther Del'Ara wrote: A fresh character in one of the big 0.0 alliances can do better than a dedicated character/corp in highsec because change. Sounds good. Yeah that's about all there is to say. Null is supposed to be more rewarding than highsec? Say it ain't so! One of EVE's Most Beautiful People. Princess of Sibyyl's Pillow Fort. Proponent of Dusette Voltron Theory (tm). Adopted Dusette. FAQ time with Kaaeliaa Q: What is the meaning of life, Kaaeliaa? A: Yes.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1435	Posted - 2014.07.23 01:50:00 - [17] - Quote DaReaper wrote: If the pos does things better, and everyone will pay roughly the same fee to use a pos... then the issue is what? You and your competitors pay roughly the same. You can do things more efficiently in a pos then a station. I really don;t see how this kills anything. And if you grab your pos and move to a back water system it will be cheaper then your competitors. Just make the pos harder to kill so someone won;t bug you if they are looking for targets.. adapt or die, it really is not bloody hard. Or is there something i am totally missing cause i'm just not seeing it. A: Sov holders pay less for a POS. B: Outposts beat POS hands down despite one time cost only. In saying that most POS being pulled down were research POS from what I've seen, who's owners will now just use the stations which are no longer queued up for 100 days at a time. Those who do a large enough bulk to make a POS pay for itself will still use one.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1435	Posted - 2014.07.23 01:52:00 - [18] - Quote Kaaeliaa wrote: Rhes wrote: Zinther Del'Ara wrote: A fresh character in one of the big 0.0 alliances can do better than a dedicated character/corp in highsec because change. Sounds good. Yeah that's about all there is to say. Null is supposed to be more rewarding than highsec? Say it ain't so! Null is supposed to be more rewarding overall to the same character. It's not meant to make skills meaningless or obsolete highsec. Every area of space is meant to have it's own focus, and this 'may' have destroyed high secs.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 15620	Posted - 2014.07.23 02:05:00 - [19] - Quote Breytli Woelin wrote: Pardon the skepticism, and fan bois need not reply, but this seems to be a step backward from CCP's presumed goal of empowering the regular player, who pay their bills, and inviting more of those players in. I laughed so hard when I realized that what you really meant was "CCP catering to highsec". Just for you: Highsec Decline Written by Unsuccessful at Everything Produced by Unsuccessful ProductionsGäó Loosely based on "I will survive" by Gloria Gaynor When Crius first launched, I was mortified. kept thinking I can no longer play which kinda made me cry, But then I spent like five minutes looking through the patch notes.. And I found it wrong.. This whole patch of yours is wrong! Ill throw it back! right in your face! CCP just ruined my submarine game in fluidic space! All my whine threads have gotten locks, Threads all closed by ISDs, Had I known what to expect, I probably sue CCP! I cant even go, right out the door! Ill just unsub now, I feel im not welcome anymore, Ill biomass my toons, write a QQ thread and cry, Ill watch your server crumble, Ill watch your evil game die! So I wave bye, to highsec decline! Oh as long as you wont cater to me, Ill go play WoW and thrive. Ive got subs with ESO, Im looking forward to SC, so goodbye Highsec's declined, hey hey. It took all the skills I had just to build cap parts, Now lowsecs better for that, you bastards broke my heart! And I spent all this cash on subs, For years I trained my toons, to sit in station and refine mission loot. You took that from me, my perfect refine too. Im not going to sit in highsec and watch it get screwed. So you buffed my barges more And thought that would appease me, Now ill be spending all my dough on games that will cater to me! I cant even go, right out my door! Ill just unsub now, I feel im not welcome anymore. Ill biomass my toons, write a QQ thread and cry, Ill watch your sub numbers crumble, Ill watch your game dry up and die! So I wave bye, to highsec decline! Oh as long as you wont cater to me, Ill go play WoW and thrive. Ive got subs with ESO, Im looking forward to SC, so goodbye.. Highsec's declined, hey hey. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Ssabat Thraxx Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project 283	Posted - 2014.07.23 02:05:00 - [20] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Knee jerking is pretty important, I guess + Not just knees, baby. Whats your sign? Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.

Complaint Dept Republic University Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2014.07.23 02:17:00 - [21] - Quote Breytli Woelin is right!! WTH??? Has CCP turned communist? Now I have to PAY a half billion isk to research a Archon BPO 1 "Job Run" in my own POS? If you do it in a station it's around 800 million isk. Is this a bug? If not it's completely absurd! I pay for the POS, the fuel to run the POS, and now I have to pay a fee to have it researched in my own POS? What is CCP trying to achieve here? Once again, fixing something that wasn't broke to begin with and giving the null sec corps the upper hand! They seem to forget we ALL pay to play this game! And many of us have NO INTEREST in null sec space. That's what makes this game so great. However when they do dumb stuff like this it no longer becomes fun. Maybe it's time to look at a different game. Keep it up CCP and you will lose real money. CCP PUT IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS!!
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5690	Posted - 2014.07.23 02:24:00 - [22] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: Breytli Woelin is right!! WTH??? Has CCP turned communist? Now I have to PAY a half billion isk to research a Archon BPO 1 "Job Run" in my own POS? If you do it in a station it's around 800 million isk. Is this a bug? If not it's completely absurd! I pay for the POS, the fuel to run the POS, and now I have to pay a fee to have it researched in my own POS? What is CCP trying to achieve here? Once again, fixing something that wasn't broke to begin with and giving the null sec corps the upper hand!They seem to forget we ALL pay to play this game! CCP PUT IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS!! The more people building/researching/whatever things in a system, the more you will pay to do those same things. Find a system off the beaten path. Or continue compaining over nothing I guess. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com
DaReaper Net 7 The Last Brigade 745	Posted - 2014.07.23 02:25:00 - [23] - Quote also the prices will start to drop and ajust as the new formula kicks in. In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't.
Rhes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 985	Posted - 2014.07.23 02:27:00 - [24] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: CCP PUT IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS!! Request denied. EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Ocih Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 655	Posted - 2014.07.23 02:50:00 - [25] - Quote Not to worry. The last time CCP buffed the blue donut, players obliged them and they soon followed with a nerf bat. A 'brand new' character in a Null alliance is called an Alt. Trial alts being the best version and if Null alliances can undercut HS industry using Null throw away alts? They will and after most of the damage is done, CCP will nerf it. Like they always have. stockpile raw material, wait for the inevitable.
Thibault Etienne 22	Posted - 2014.07.24 01:18:00 - [26] - Quote I notice the ones slagging of people who complain on here are mostly null sec dwellers. Well another one bites the dust, fair post OP. +1 And that said So long eve. Im un subbing too. all I have to do is hand the corp over and im gone. Bio massed so I wont return.
Gallowmere Rorschach Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation 505	Posted - 2014.07.24 01:24:00 - [27] - Quote Zinther Del'Ara wrote: A fresh character in one of the big 0.0 alliances can do better than a dedicated character/corp in highsec because change. What about a dedicated character moving to null? Just another few days, and my Bob the Builder will be leaving for null. Crius has accomplished what nothing before did: give me a reason to stop having highsec alts. Sounds like a win to me.
Bloody Slave Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 129	Posted - 2014.07.24 02:05:00 - [28] - Quote I hope your POS(es) are not in Ambeke. New Intel tools blink red in a system without stations to have more copies going on than any other place, all BPOs are there, inside the high sec pinatas, and I really hope they are not Archons and the like... Ohh, and there is the teams moved there as well Send me some game mail and we can make a deal, I have information about shiny pinatas, flying or fixed, in almost every high sec regions. If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD)
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 3810	Posted - 2014.07.24 03:06:00 - [29] - Quote Breytli Woelin wrote: fan bois What was your purpose behind using this term? .. when everything else is gone ..
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 3570	Posted - 2014.07.24 03:29:00 - [30] - Quote Breytli Woelin wrote: being able to store bpos at a station within several jumps Not and be able to use them in a POS which wasn't in the same system. Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Glathull Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 472	Posted - 2014.07.24 03:32:00 - [31] - Quote Research is dying? Turrents
Balaster McNugget Into The Plasma Inc 6	Posted - 2014.07.24 04:15:00 - [32] - Quote I couldn't agree more with OP. I have already cancelled all my jobs, unanchored and sold my labs, powered off my POS, and I am in the process of selling off all my BPOs.
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 1118	Posted - 2014.07.24 04:31:00 - [33] - Quote Thibault Etienne wrote: I notice the ones slagging of people who complain on here are mostly null sec dwellers. Well another one bites the dust, fair post OP. +1 And that said So long eve. Im un subbing too. all I have to do is hand the corp over and im gone. Bio massed so I wont return. Whether or not I live in null, I am still in a 1 account corporation, just like a tax avoiding mission runner. I own some 20 odd ships located in null, 2 towers, arrays and associated modules and the only item sourced not from jita was a Thanatos. Even the Thanatos fit came from jita. I own my own (self researched)bpos for the whole gallente subcap ship line, i spent 3 years building them in highsec, I brought copies of my bpos out, I live 2 jumps away from an ice exporter yet it was more efficient if I didn't build my stuff and they didn't sell me fuel. Thankfully ccp has recognized how broken that was, even if you can't see it.
Sara Tosa School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 43	Posted - 2014.07.24 05:40:00 - [34] - Quote Tauranon wrote: [quote=Thibault Etienne] Thankfully ccp has recognized how broken that was, even if you can't see it. and their solution is to make everything built in null?
Netan MalDoran xXTheWarhammerXx 50	Posted - 2014.07.24 06:08:00 - [35] - Quote As a beginner Inventor, Crius will actually help me. I don't have to wait for slots to open and the job costs are cheap since I live in Lowsec, now I don't need a POS to have available slots 'cause I would never have been able to afford a cost effective POS. The people who are taking down those POS's are only losing about 1-2% on research times, not much, fuel costs and hassle balance this so they are actually taking them down for the better. I will agree though that taxing POS jobs is a bit out there, but that doesn't affect me And all of my ship BPO's from my library were at ME 5 pre-Crius so now their all ME 9! Got Antimatter to 10 during patch DT so my manufacturing BPC's will be perfect! Helps to plan ahead. "Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!
Anuba Caldari Deep Space Ventures Black Core Alliance 1	Posted - 2014.07.24 06:33:00 - [36] - Quote Quick Call Obama and see if he will Bail out Jita and the Producers
Lucas Kell JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance 3860	Posted - 2014.07.24 07:14:00 - [37] - Quote Firstly, what's with all the bitching about null? It's not much of an improvement and certainly won;t be meaning we'll start producing everything in null and shipping it the 30 odd jumps to a hub to sell it. High seccers will still produce most of the stuff sold in highsec hubs, just less of the stuff sold to null players. Secondly, the changes make it easier for the "little guy" to compete. A POS isn't any cheaper for a bigger group to run than a little one, and now you don't actually need a POS, you can use the stations. In its simplest form, the thing you need to work out is "is 25% of the cost of whatever I'm researching more than the fuel cost for a POS for the same time". If the answer is yes, get a POS (which you can now place nearly anywhere). Thirdly, to all of those people crying "I'm unanchoring my POS and shutting down all of my industry!": brilliant. Go right ahead. Less competition for those of us that have already adapted to the changes and started churning out profit The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 1120	Posted - 2014.07.24 08:06:00 - [38] - Quote Sara Tosa wrote: Tauranon wrote: [quote=Thibault Etienne] Thankfully ccp has recognized how broken that was, even if you can't see it. and their solution is to make everything built in null? They raised the price of freight. Ie null builders mostly only have a true advantage in their local market, and local builders are now a few percent more effective than ordering 2000 line ships in jita, than historically which may (or may not) come to matter strategically in the future, but will be a good thing if it does.
Sequester Risalo Significant Others 1	Posted - 2014.07.24 08:55:00 - [39] - Quote Complaint Dept wrote: Breytli Woelin is right!! WTH??? Has CCP turned communist? Now I have to PAY a half billion isk to research a Archon BPO 1 "Job Run" in my own POS? If you do it in a station it's around 800 million isk. Is this a bug? If not it's completely absurd! I pay for the POS, the fuel to run the POS, and now I have to pay a fee to have it researched in my own POS? What is CCP trying to achieve here? Once again, fixing something that wasn't broke to begin with and giving the null sec corps the upper hand! They seem to forget we ALL pay to play this game! And many of us have NO INTEREST in null sec space. That's what makes this game so great. However when they do dumb stuff like this it no longer becomes fun. Maybe it's time to look at a different game. Keep it up CCP and you will lose real money. My math may be wrong here but this makes researching in your own POS 300 million isk cheaper than in a station. POS fuel for a month is less, unless you use a large tower. I fail to see how you are shorthanded by this. On the other hand. If it's not wortch it for you, just sell the POS, save the fuel and live happy life.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 23274	Posted - 2014.07.24 09:29:00 - [40] - Quote No, the little guy just got a pretty spectacular boost. Being little, he's agile, and can trivially move around to always match the best location prices without getting stuck in red tape and having to co-ordinate fiftyeleven researchers and producers working at different time tables. Having to keep your BPOs at hand in the POS creates a massive headache for the larger guys; next to zero for the little one, doubly so when you include the security concerns this raise (and no, it was never possible to store BPOs GÇ£several jumps awayGÇ¥ like you suggest, other than in the exact same way as you can right now so no change thereGÇª in fact, do you even do industry?). The little guy can pull down and up up his POS at will, without having to futz around for weeks or months with standings grinds and/or manipulation by temp-kicking characters that don't match the new space. The large guy is certainly liberated from those constraints as well, but is as mentioned hamstrung by those industrialists on different time tables. A POS still costs what POS costs, so there is no differentiation there either GÇö you pick the size that matches your needs (even more so when/if array-count scaling goes in), and that match-up is made easier than ever for the little guy since, once again, he has much fewer needs that need to be met. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.



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