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Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:23:00 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:As for Caldari Prime, I more then support giving it back. Providing we don't compromise our security and safety while doing so.
And I quite understand your need to ensure that. Honestly, it used to be this huge intractable problem, but nowadays it's much harder to find people with issues about the way things are going. Makes me wonder why we're still fighting at all. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |

Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
263
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:24:00 -
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Chronoxi wrote: You are attacking us and even those that you claim to 'save'. You are not defending anything, all you tribal heathens know are aggression and devastation, you have nothing to defend.
the event is called burn huola and is awash with reclamation propaganda and is an attack unless what you are spouting is what fweddit is feeding the old guard militia to get them to join fleets.
wait, have none of you seriously undocked for what ...almost two and a half years?
do you all still think it is an Amarrian system?
if your assets are trapped you can simply use black frog to get them out. -áFear The Tribes |

Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
263
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:31:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Yes, because theft is not ownership - a concept I'd expect a Minmatar to be sympathetic with.
watch what racism you throw around, not everyone will appreciate it.
and he was being sarcastic as you can read by his very next statement regarding the ownership of slaves.
but seriously, back the **** off with the racism. there is enough stupid bullshit going on without throwing wood on the fire. **** like this would have me hunting you down like nauplius if I did not know you were probably just being stupid and knee-jerking to the mention of caldari prime. -áFear The Tribes |

Chronoxi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
24
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:39:00 -
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Ayallah wrote:Chronoxi wrote: You are attacking us and even those that you claim to 'save'. You are not defending anything, all you tribal heathens know are aggression and devastation, you have nothing to defend.
the event is called burn huola and is awash with reclamation propaganda and is an attackunless what you are spouting is what fweddit is feeding the old guard militia to get them to join fleets. wait, have none of you seriously undocked for what ...almost two and a half years? do you all still think it is an Amarrian system? if your assets are trapped you can simply use black frog to get them out.
It is not an 'attack', Huola, as explained many times is rightfully Imperial territory. It is only now in heathen's hands due to the elder fleet invasion 'Chronoxi' Joseph Vafhan |

Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
263
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:43:00 -
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Chronoxi wrote: It is not an 'attack', Huola, as explained many times is rightfully Imperial territory. It is only now in heathen's hands due to the elder fleet invasion
then by your own logic you do not possess ownership of the people you stole because time passed. or do you not even recognize your own double standard. -áFear The Tribes |

Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy Imperial Outlaws.
615
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Posted - 2014.07.25 22:01:00 -
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Ayallah wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Yes, because theft is not ownership - a concept I'd expect a Minmatar to be sympathetic with.
watch what racism you throw around, not everyone will appreciate it. and he was being sarcastic as you can read by his very next statement regarding the ownership of slaves. but seriously, back the **** off with the racism. there is enough stupid bullshit going on without throwing wood on the fire. **** like this would have me hunting you down like nauplius if I did not know you were probably just being stupid and knee-jerking to the mention of caldari prime.
His statement was in no way racist but referencing the history of the Minmatar people. Chill out, lady.
-Eran
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Chronoxi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
24
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Posted - 2014.07.25 22:02:00 -
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Ayallah wrote:Chronoxi wrote: It is not an 'attack', Huola, as explained many times is rightfully Imperial territory. It is only now in heathen's hands due to the elder fleet invasion
then by your own logic you do not possess ownership of the people you stole because time passed. or do you not even recognize your own double standard.
I've never mentioned 'time passed'? Whatever do you mean by your statement? 'Chronoxi' Joseph Vafhan |

Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
846
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Posted - 2014.07.25 22:17:00 -
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Ayallah wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Yes, because theft is not ownership - a concept I'd expect a Minmatar to be sympathetic with.
watch what racism you throw around, not everyone will appreciate it. and he was being sarcastic as you can read by his very next statement regarding the ownership of slaves. but seriously, back the **** off with the racism. there is enough stupid bullshit going on without throwing wood on the fire. **** like this would have me hunting you down like nauplius if I did not know you were probably just being stupid and knee-jerking to the mention of caldari prime. There was sarcasm in there? The lack of money is the root of all evil. |

Ava Starfire
Gradient
1587
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Posted - 2014.07.25 22:19:00 -
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Chronoxi wrote:Ayallah wrote:Chronoxi wrote: It is not an 'attack', Huola, as explained many times is rightfully Imperial territory. It is only now in heathen's hands due to the elder fleet invasion
then by your own logic you do not possess ownership of the people you stole because time passed. or do you not even recognize your own double standard. I've never mentioned 'time passed'? Whatever do you mean by your statement?
You're a slow one, eh? "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |

Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3882
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Posted - 2014.07.25 22:53:00 -
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Ayallah wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Yes, because theft is not ownership - a concept I'd expect a Minmatar to be sympathetic with.
watch what racism you throw around, not everyone will appreciate it. and he was being sarcastic as you can read by his very next statement regarding the ownership of slaves. but seriously, back the **** off with the racism. there is enough stupid bullshit going on without throwing wood on the fire. **** like this would have me hunting you down like nauplius if I did not know you were probably just being stupid and knee-jerking to the mention of caldari prime.
Ayallah! I was referring to slavery, ya idjit.
Sheesh, girl, wind your neck in already. You ought to know that as much as I take exception to the side that the Tribes find themselves in on this war, I'd never mock them regarding slavery. And I would never suggest all Minmatar are thieves. Who are you supposed to be stealing from? Yourselves? "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
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Raphael Ordo
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
97
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Posted - 2014.07.25 23:18:00 -
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Ayallah wrote:and holy **** this is a DEFENSIVE fight that by the way, it took all of three posts for the Amarrians to make this look like it was us attacking them rather than the other way around. god and you people are actually falling for it. oh, and http://evemaps.dotlan.net/factionwarfare/Minmatar_Republicgood job letting Fweddit walk all over you for a week while the system stayed stable. good job letting them shoot up everything in the area they wanted while talking about collateral damage and blaming the defenders for it. good job amarr amarr victor!
Wow. I just previously thought you actually held some sort of intelligence for being a Minmatar that wasn't actually thoroughly engaged against the Empire in the Amarr-Minmatar conflict directly. Apparently, I was wrong. You practically fight for no cause and still try to be the 'good' one, Matari. Still in this you fail miserably and just become the incarnation of an angry little girl beyond reason.
oh, and http://evemaps.dotlan.net/factionwarfare/Amarr_Empire
- With just a bit more than half of the active force the Minmatar think they can muster, we double their losses. 1 Imperial aligned with God vs 2 Tribals is good odds then I guess... But I already knew that.
I am not afraid or divided in the fact that we will win this fight or not. I am certain we will. Anyone thinking holding Huola now, and for a few years, will change anything in the long run, need to take a history class at Ordo's Praetorian Temple Library. Our Empire has stood as a pillar of righteousness and light for thousands of years already and will be for even more to come. Time is on our side. You've already lost. By His will.
No wonder this is even a small questionmark when we've never seen the outcome of the whole Amarr Navy deployed against any enemy of the Empire. The Imperial Navy has never deployed anywhere near its full capacity (not even 25%) to deal with anything, including the Jove, Minmatar Rebellion, the Elder Fleet, etc. If even a quarter of its true potential was directed at an entity, the results would be unfathomable. I am not even counting in the support of the imperial capsuleers willing to sacrifice all their clones for such a cause.
The result would've changed your little world as you may think you know it, girl. Go back home and stay out of imperial business. |

Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
846
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Posted - 2014.07.25 23:48:00 -
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Raphael Ordo wrote: The Imperial Navy has never deployed anywhere near its full capacity (not even 25%) to deal with anything, including the Jove, Minmatar Rebellion, the Elder Fleet, etc. If even a quarter of its true potential was directed at an entity, the results would be unfathomable.
Well, cept' the Federation. That would likely result in the mutual destruction of both party's military. Your "Biggest stick" still isn't quite big enough for that. Moot point eather way, CONCORD won't let it come to that. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |

Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
268
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Posted - 2014.07.25 23:53:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Ayallah! I was referring to slavery
my mistake, I did in fact, mis-read it.
-áFear The Tribes |

Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
268
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Posted - 2014.07.26 00:25:00 -
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raphael, you went to killboard stats amongst capsuleers then straight to the 'wait until you see the whole fleet' line. I have fought many wars in nullsec now and I can tell you that posting is tired even on the now-dead kugu.
as to the original topic, I have never flown with Ushra'Khan but have long heard stories about them. truly, I hope you live up to them. -áFear The Tribes |

Ber Kan
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
75
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Posted - 2014.07.26 05:34:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Jinari Otsito wrote:They weren't the Empire's people to take either. Didn't stop them, so why should it stop Ushra'Khan? Can't say I mind seeing a bit of steel finally being bared from the side of the bedoodled ones. Been a while. As I count no Minmatar as enemies, I can only wish them good luck and I certainly won't stand in their way.
Given that my State is still allied with the Empire, nor will I actively aid them I'm afraid, no matter my personal convictions in this matter. Of course, everyone is welcome as customers. Not "your" State anymore, damn traitor. Go kiss another minmatar~
Go back to that admiral of a father you have and shush. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á This thread has been Plundered. |

Philpip
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
111
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Posted - 2014.07.26 07:18:00 -
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Raphael Ordo wrote:
I am not afraid or divided in the fact that we will win this fight or not. I am certain we will. Anyone thinking holding Huola now, and for a few years, will change anything in the long run, need to take a history class at Ordo's Praetorian Temple Library. Our Empire has stood as a pillar of righteousness and light for thousands of years already and will be for even more to come. Time is on our side. You've already lost. By His will. .
I see no benefit in encouraging people to look at the records held in Ordo's Praetorian Temple Library, an institution controlled by the Empire to tell a very one sided version of events to manipulate and cajole the multitude to a common opinion.
Real truth is found on the battlefield, not in a book. Witness the reality, like I did, then see which side you should be fighting for. We come for our people! |

Ber Kan
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
75
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Posted - 2014.07.26 07:57:00 -
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I'm going to throw this out there. Guristas support the minmatar in the current struggle or...lack of current struggle of specific minmatar systems.
For Huola? I was there. And i can say. Was glad to fight for the Republic, than let it fall to supposed self-proclaiming Amarrian overlords. Or over bearing caldari militia members. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á This thread has been Plundered. |

Vincent Pryce
Utopian Research I.E.L.
149
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:21:00 -
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Ber Kan wrote:I'm going to throw this out there. Guristas support the minmatar in the current struggle or...lack of current struggle of specific minmatar systems.
For Huola? I was there. And i can say. Was glad to fight for the Republic, than let it fall to supposed self-proclaiming Amarrian overlords. Or over bearing caldari militia members.
The Guristas fight for no one but for themselves. Just because one misguided pilot is pretending to play a little dashing rogue fighting for the noble savages doesn't make the Faction give two ***** about them beyond exploitation. There is no honor among the Guristas. Just cutthroat, backstabbing backroom deals. You'd know this if you'd actually been to the inner circle.
Before you go on a deluded rant about how Guristas are somehow just misunderstood rogues looking out for the little guy, I recommend you do some research on who you are really supporting, and before you play the "at least we're not slavers", please, go and do some research about the business transactions between the Nation and the Guristas.
You should not presume to speak for Kosakami about his organization and about who they support, he doesn't like that. In fact, he despises capsuleers.
I will give you one more friendly advice. Watch your back among the Guristas. Always. Vincent Pryce Archangel of Asakai |

Ava Starfire
Gradient
1589
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:25:00 -
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Do people actually see us as "noble savages"? "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |

Karynn Denton
Clan Katanga Caravan
233
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:40:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:Do people actually see us as "noble savages"?
Just lazy stereotyping; I'm not noble. Karynn Denton Caravan Master
Drug-dealing, frigate-fighting, Rifter-rolling Thukkervixen |
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Chronoxi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
25
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:52:00 -
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Karynn Denton wrote:Ava Starfire wrote:Do people actually see us as "noble savages"? Just lazy stereotyping; I'm not noble.
You're definitely a savage though, at least half of that 'stereotype' is true. All that are not of Amarrian origin are savages. But the Caldari people showed to be capable of honor and dignity, which the Gallenteans and Matar heathens do not possess. 'Chronoxi' Joseph Vafhan |

Kyllsa Siikanen
Gradient
313
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:54:00 -
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Chronoxi wrote:Karynn Denton wrote:Ava Starfire wrote:Do people actually see us as "noble savages"? Just lazy stereotyping; I'm not noble. You're definitely a savage though, at least half of that 'stereotype' is true. All that are not of Amarrian origin are savages. But the Caldari people showed to be capable of honor and dignity, which the Gallenteans and Matar heathens do not possess.
So I am not a savage then.
Good.
Now come clean my shoes. GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á
GÇò C.S. Lewis-á |

Ber Kan
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
75
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:00:00 -
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Vincent Pryce wrote:Ber Kan wrote:I'm going to throw this out there. Guristas support the minmatar in the current struggle or...lack of current struggle of specific minmatar systems.
For Huola? I was there. And i can say. Was glad to fight for the Republic, than let it fall to supposed self-proclaiming Amarrian overlords. Or over bearing caldari militia members. The Guristas fight for no one but for themselves. Just because one misguided pilot is pretending to play a little dashing rogue fighting for the noble savages doesn't make the Faction give two ***** about them beyond exploitation. There is no honor among the Guristas. Just cutthroat, backstabbing backroom deals. You'd know this if you'd actually been to the inner circle. Before you go on a deluded rant about how Guristas are somehow just misunderstood rogues looking out for the little guy, I recommend you do some research on who you are really supporting, and before you play the "at least we're not slavers", please, go and do some research about the business transactions between the Nation and the Guristas. You should not presume to speak for Kosakami about his organization and about who they support, he doesn't like that. In fact, he despises capsuleers. I will give you one more friendly advice. Watch your back among the Guristas. Always.
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á This thread has been Plundered. |

Chronoxi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
25
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:06:00 -
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Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:Chronoxi wrote:Karynn Denton wrote:Ava Starfire wrote:Do people actually see us as "noble savages"? Just lazy stereotyping; I'm not noble. You're definitely a savage though, at least half of that 'stereotype' is true. All that are not of Amarrian origin are savages. But the Caldari people showed to be capable of honor and dignity, which the Gallenteans and Matar heathens do not possess. So I am not a savage then. Good. Now come clean my shoes.
You are a savage. You are not Amarr. 'Chronoxi' Joseph Vafhan |

Vincent Pryce
Utopian Research I.E.L.
149
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:09:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:Do people actually see us as "noble savages"?
Merely a turn of phrase some are fond of. I perceive the Matari in no particular romanticized light. Some are my fellow Angels, some are trade partners in good standing from the Thukker Tribe and some are mere commodities and resources. They are no different from anyone else, race is irrelevant. Vincent Pryce Archangel of Asakai |

Kyllsa Siikanen
Gradient
313
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:15:00 -
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Chronoxi wrote:Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:Chronoxi wrote:Karynn Denton wrote:Ava Starfire wrote:Do people actually see us as "noble savages"? Just lazy stereotyping; I'm not noble. You're definitely a savage though, at least half of that 'stereotype' is true. All that are not of Amarrian origin are savages. But the Caldari people showed to be capable of honor and dignity, which the Gallenteans and Matar heathens do not possess. So I am not a savage then. Good. Now come clean my shoes. You are a savage. You are not Amarr.
Ah, but I am, my good man. My father was Amarrian, ethnically... of course, he was also a drunk, ne'er-do-'ell, and general all around scumbag, but I'm sure because he was Amarrian at all, he's "chosen" and all that.
That must include his daughter, mm? Or are all those half-Matari children running about in the Empire - oh, come now, don't pretend it doesn't happen - are we all just "not good enough"?
In which case... what is the point of slavery again? GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á
GÇò C.S. Lewis-á |

Chronoxi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
25
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:25:00 -
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Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Ah, but I am, my good man. My father was Amarrian, ethnically... of course, he was also a drunk, ne'er-do-'ell, and general all around scumbag, but I'm sure because he was Amarrian at all, he's "chosen" and all that.
That must include his daughter, mm? Or are all those half-Matari children running about in the Empire - oh, come now, don't pretend it doesn't happen - are we all just "not good enough"?
In which case... what is the point of slavery again?
What does it matter who your father was? You are not Amarrian, you are not of faith and therefore a savage heathen that must be destroyed if not enslaved.
Also, I said 'All that are not of Amarrian origin are savages', I did not say 'All Amarrian are not savages'. Blooders originated from damned and impure Amarrian souls, those that are not chosen by god, their heresy is almost beyond savagery. 'Chronoxi' Joseph Vafhan |

Kyllsa Siikanen
Gradient
313
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:28:00 -
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Chronoxi wrote:Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Ah, but I am, my good man. My father was Amarrian, ethnically... of course, he was also a drunk, ne'er-do-'ell, and general all around scumbag, but I'm sure because he was Amarrian at all, he's "chosen" and all that.
That must include his daughter, mm? Or are all those half-Matari children running about in the Empire - oh, come now, don't pretend it doesn't happen - are we all just "not good enough"?
In which case... what is the point of slavery again?
What does it matter who your father was? You are not Amarrian, you are not of faith and therefore a savage heathen that must be destroyed if not enslaved. Also, I said 'All that are not of Amarrian origin are savages', I did not say 'All Amarrian are not savages'. Blooders originated from damned and impure Amarrian souls, those that are not chosen by god, their heresy is almost beyond savagery.
You are a terribly boring man. GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á
GÇò C.S. Lewis-á |

Vincent Pryce
Utopian Research I.E.L.
152
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:38:00 -
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Ber Kan wrote:Vincent Pryce wrote:Ber Kan wrote:I'm going to throw this out there. Guristas support the minmatar in the current struggle or...lack of current struggle of specific minmatar systems.
For Huola? I was there. And i can say. Was glad to fight for the Republic, than let it fall to supposed self-proclaiming Amarrian overlords. Or over bearing caldari militia members. The Guristas fight for no one but for themselves. Just because one misguided pilot is pretending to play a little dashing rogue fighting for the noble savages doesn't make the Faction give two ***** about them beyond exploitation. There is no honor among the Guristas. Just cutthroat, backstabbing backroom deals. You'd know this if you'd actually been to the inner circle. Before you go on a deluded rant about how Guristas are somehow just misunderstood rogues looking out for the little guy, I recommend you do some research on who you are really supporting, and before you play the "at least we're not slavers", please, go and do some research about the business transactions between the Nation and the Guristas. You should not presume to speak for Kosakami about his organization and about who they support, he doesn't like that. In fact, he despises capsuleers. I will give you one more friendly advice. Watch your back among the Guristas. Always. Ok, you caught me. I lied about some things. I did bank upkn the whole incident. And i did enjoy watching things play out. It was fun. However, to state that im saying that 'oh we're not slavers and will fight with the "loosing" side.' Key note. Did the huola system ever go past 50% upon the registered warfare ljnks? Not from what i am aware. And if im right...didn't the minmatar technically win that skirmish over all? With ragtag pirates. And under-manned minmtar fleets? Quite possible. Now lets go to the oter part. Of you know, Kosakami's grudge agajnst the capsuleer blight. Something that even he as a pilot and tactition knows, 'if you have the ability to manipulate the one thing that makes a certain man to become a whimpering and begfing dog. Do it.' What is that thjng? For me...that would be the gila and rattlesnake ship. Ill gladly purchase it from them without question. Even if its over priced. But let us get back on track and say use capsuleers, because yoh make the guristas out to be worse than them. Because New Eden s changing. And from the past dscade has shown alone, is that with just even a few to one capsuleer you can tip the balance in a struggling fight. Or tip the war into crushing victory. In sme cases. As is apparent now for those hired. It's makjng not just the State's lives harder, or any other empire. But other pirate factions lives more difficut. Mostly now mking the Mordu stop their apparent shinanegans with interrupting in change. Making them stop in what Koskami had set up. And because, like you sid, we're cutthroats. By the way, i was always more of a fan of Jirai.
I... How about you try this again when you are off your mindflood binge? You are making no sense, and you can barely spell.
PS. I too liked Laitanen better, but thanks to capsuleers he is nothing more than a mewling gimp drooling his life away these days. Vincent Pryce Archangel of Asakai |

Ber Kan
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
75
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:44:00 -
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Nah. Rather not. I enjoy talking with you. Maybe we can get to know eachother more, and see who the real pirate is. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á This thread has been Plundered. |
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