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Erutpar Ambient
The Flying Tigers Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.24 04:26:00 -
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Not sure if this is the right place to post this but here goes anyways.
As a person that has been forcing himself to log in lately just to check skill ques, I've been seriously debating to my self why. Why do I continue to run my skill que? What are my short and long term goals in EvE? Do I really enjoy what I'm doing? (null bear mining, indy, avoid neuts/reds) What am I doing it for? (to pay rent for null so i can farm null to pay rent for null?)
Recently I wrote a rant-like.... no totally rant post in another thread. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4836683#post4836683
The TLDR version is this:
Quote:Null Sec Is stagnant Non-FW Low Sec Is stagnant High Sec is Consensual PvP stagnant WH space... No Idea, is it stagnant too?
So what this is all about it this:
I personally really need some reason to keep on going.
Manfred Sideous wrote:CCP I am sure you are all busy but perhaps a few live streams or VODs to let us players know where you are headed. Wild speculation and disenchantment is the product of silence. I'm not the only one that feels this way. The disenchantment is a particularly strong point here.
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
As can be seen here, Manny and I are not the only ones that feel the disenchantment. As I pointed out in my extra ranty post, Our current population levels are down to the 2008 era. It would really benefit everyone if we had some kind of Reassurance that things are heading in a positive direction.
Mining and building to supply a war machine is extremely satisfying. Mining and building to rent space is extremely disheartening.
So please, anyone from CCP. Please give us something, anything, any kind of reassurance that we're not all just playing in vain while EvE slowly disappears without so much as a whimper. |

Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
164
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Posted - 2014.07.24 04:28:00 -
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Erutpar Ambient wrote:... TLDR ...
Why do you need someone else to tell you whether you enjoy the game or not? |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8122
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Posted - 2014.07.24 04:28:00 -
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Someone needs to take up suicide ganking. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |

Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
473
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Posted - 2014.07.24 04:31:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Someone needs to take up suicide ganking.
Agreed. Turrents |

Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
164
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Posted - 2014.07.24 04:31:00 -
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A renter complaining about renting is also quite funny to me. If you don't like it, set them to -10 and do something about it. Forums aren't going to fix your boredom. |

Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
700
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Posted - 2014.07.24 04:44:00 -
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Dont worry Erutpar.
There hope it helps.
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Oh you want ccp response ...good luck. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Tajic Kaundur
Dropbears Anonymous Brave Collective
53
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Posted - 2014.07.24 04:55:00 -
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Quote:WH space... No Idea, is it stagnant too?
No.
I mean, it is if you sit around and don't do anything, waiting for people to roll into you, but if nothing's going on, fine, roll the static, scan down the new chain, oh no we rolled into [insert big-name corp here], oh, we don't have enough people online to fight, that's cool. Everyone hop into their comms and frigate free-for-all at their sun because we're bored. Oh no what's the Megathron doing here oh god is that a thanny okay everyone shoot the thanny don't actually kill it but lol shoot it anyways bring neuts w/e
W-Space is a lot of fun. If you're finding things boring, find a w-space corp you get along with and start rolling for content. |

Erutpar Ambient
The Flying Tigers Black Core Alliance
183
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:01:00 -
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Gospadin wrote: Why do you need someone else to tell you whether you enjoy the game or not?
Obviously by this post I'm showing my lack of enjoyment. But I want sooooo much to enjoy the game for the reasons that I do. What I want to know is that my waiting for something to happen is not in vain.
Glathull wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Someone needs to take up suicide ganking. Agreed. I'm not looking for Cheap Thrills. I'm looking for interesting and fun game sustaining content. Or do you believe that suicide ganking can sustain EvE for another decade?
Gospadin wrote:A renter complaining about renting is also quite funny to me. If you don't like it, set them to -10 and do something about it. Forums aren't going to fix your boredom. Is it funny that the only possibilities for null sec are Renter, Pet (renter paying with CTA time instead of isk), or go back in time and join one of the major corps before they got big so you can spend all your time running high sec incursions on your alt? You have a pretty twisted sense of humor. But for me, unfortunately, I don't have a consistent set of 3+ hours to pay to my null sec landlord so isk will have to do. And really, your answer is to -10 them and then what? Go live in another type of space? Oh yeah, that will solve all of those problems.
Mina Sebiestar wrote:Dont worry Erutpar.
There hope it helps.
Edit
Oh you want ccp response ...good luck. It's not really about getting a response.... It's about sending a message.
wait.... that sounds familiar
http://x2.fjcdn.com/comments/It+s+about+sending+a+message+_031cd93ee6b2e2d06072aa73110a87cb.jpg |

Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
655
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:04:00 -
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There are days when I think Devs do stuff just for the sake of doing stuff but I never question the devotion no matter how much I do or don't agree with decisions.
I don't know if I will be here from one day to the next but it never once occurred to me that EVE wouldn't still be here when I came back. |

DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
756
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:06:00 -
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Here is the problem.
People think because CCP has not added 'new stuff' that eve is dying.
No, what happening is ccp is FINALLY fixing old crap that was left to riot.
I have been here for 10 years, not as long as some, but way longer then most. And i am thrilled that things are FINALLY getting fixed. I'm tired of PI being a click fest and not linked to dust like it was suppose to, tired that the dominion sov improvements were never finished or built upon, that when the escrow system was replaced we got a watered down version of what they said was coming which don;t worry, they are gonna fix. tired that pos' suck, though they have received a lot of improvements, the fuel blocks alone made me cheer. Lots of things broken, lots of things need love.
I do not get this mentality of 'add more stuff!!!!' uh most of the game is old and broken and needs to be.. 'ADD MORE STUFF!!!! I'M BORED!"
The direction eve is going is, imo, perfect. You have to repair and rebuild the foundation before you add new stuff. So i am quite happy with the direction and the future vision. If eve, valk, and legion and the 4th unknown game (watch ccp presents sheesh) all link together in a way that works... then the future is bright.
It's always darkest before dawn, things need ot be repaired, then new stuff can come. Patience young ones, Patience. In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6274
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:06:00 -
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Black Core Alliance is a renter group?
Who are you renting from? ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |

Erutpar Ambient
The Flying Tigers Black Core Alliance
183
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:07:00 -
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Tajic Kaundur wrote:roll the static so then, yes, stagnant....
Would you say that Tech 3 power creep has an impact on the PvP climate of WH space? Would you say that Tech 3 power creep especially in regards to logistics impact WH PvP?
How effective are reps on Tech 3 Ships in terms of turret damage. 1:5? more? |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8124
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:07:00 -
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Erutpar Ambient wrote:Glathull wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Someone needs to take up suicide ganking. Agreed. I'm not looking for Cheap Thrills. I'm looking for interesting and fun game sustaining content. Or do you believe that suicide ganking can sustain EvE for another decade?
Well, thanks to your snide dismissal of content being suggested for you after you solicited advice in the first place, I think I figured out why you're tired of EVE.
So you know what? Just quit. Because if you're actually looking for a dev post just to assuage your feelings, you are definitely asking the wrong company and the wrong message board. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |

Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
563
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:16:00 -
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Op. In my opinion, it would seem like you are ready for a break from EvE. There's no harm in taking time off to explore other hobbies/games/stuff. Your toon will still be here waiting for you when you return. Make sure your email address is verified in account settings for recovery purposes, and go try out some other games.
I've taken time off in the past, and I'll return with a new perspective on the game sometimes a year later, more or less.
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p.s. I do offer Jita's best 'stuff maintenance service' in case you would like me to care for your things while you're gone. 
o/
They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. |

Erutpar Ambient
The Flying Tigers Black Core Alliance
183
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:17:00 -
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Ocih wrote:There are days when I think Devs do stuff just for the sake of doing stuff but I never question the devotion no matter how much I do or don't agree with decisions.
I don't know if I will be here from one day to the next but it never once occurred to me that EVE wouldn't still be here when I came back. Until now i haven't really felt like that either. But then i saw this http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility (yes i keep linking it) I'm more worried about waiting for something that never comes instead of not having something to come back to.... at this point at least.
DaReaper wrote:Patience young ones, Patience. No, I realize what you're saying. But then there's something that is staring even you in the face....
What have they fixed? Really the only thing that they've fixed successfully that needed fixing was FW. And they've even tweeked it since then too.
But what else?...... Everything on your list is things they haven't gotten to. Everything on my list are what i feel is the TOP priority of the game but they just skirt around them and never really make any impactful changes.
I'm not complaining that they don't add new stuff to the game. I'm worried that they will never make changes that have a significant and positive impact on the game. I'm complaining that for the last 2 -3 or whatever years that they've been "fixing" stuff they have yet to really fix the things that matter. They haven't fixed anything major! We're at a point where Sov Mechanics have created a climate where null sec can no longer function. They had 6 or 8 or however many years to step up and make the adjustments they need to have a perpetual game mechanic but they never did. I'm afraid at this point with the population trend that they won't be able to recover. That's why i'm writing this. That's why i'm RANTING this. |

Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
288
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:18:00 -
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much emo
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
756
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:19:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Erutpar Ambient wrote:Glathull wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Someone needs to take up suicide ganking. Agreed. I'm not looking for Cheap Thrills. I'm looking for interesting and fun game sustaining content. Or do you believe that suicide ganking can sustain EvE for another decade? Well, thanks to your snide dismissal of content being suggested for you after you solicited advice in the first place, I think I figured out why you're tired of EVE. So you know what? Just quit. Because if you're actually looking for a dev post just to assuage your feelings, you are definitely asking the wrong company and the wrong message board.
QFT
OP: you want reassurance?!?
CCP Presents 2014 and Eve Keynote just watch. If you don;t get a glimmer of hope then there is no use. In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't. |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2228
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:24:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Someone needs to take up suicide ganking. I think the OP just needs to drop the ganking part. The rest of that suggestion is ok.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |

Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
563
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:26:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Someone needs to take up suicide ganking. I think the OP just needs to drop the ganking part. The rest of that suggestion is ok.

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8124
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:27:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Someone needs to take up suicide ganking. I think the OP just needs to drop the ganking part. The rest of that suggestion is ok.
But he was asking for long lasting content. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2230
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:28:00 -
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Biomass.....It's a common suggestion on the forums.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |

Erutpar Ambient
The Flying Tigers Black Core Alliance
184
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:28:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Well, thanks to your snide dismissal of content being suggested for you after you solicited advice in the first place, I think I figured out why you're tired of EVE.
So you know what? Just quit. Because if you're actually looking for a dev post just to assuage your feelings, you are definitely asking the wrong company and the wrong message board. I'm not asking for a dev post. Just dev attention.
And i don't want to want to quit! I want to want to keep playing. I think we all deserve to know what CCP is doing to help fix Null. Things have come to a head and now is the time to be transparent.
As i've pointed out a few times http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility i'm not the only one feeling this way. Lots of people have already stopped logging on.
And snide remark or not, i would like you to answer the question: do you think suicide ganking can sustain eve?
Please tell me what I'm looking for. I've seen it and from what I remember they did a lot of the past and present of EvE and not a whole lot of the Future of Eve. In fact "building stargates" is the only thing from those videos that i can recall that hasn't already happened yet.
How do we know these stargates arn't going to be locked just like the door in the captain's quarters? In fact we don't know anything about these things. And there's nothing about how they're planning on fixing the game.
But please, don't mistake my skepticism for hopelessness. If i had no glimmer of hope i wouldn't be here now with a payed account posting on the forums. |

Erutpar Ambient
The Flying Tigers Black Core Alliance
184
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:32:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Biomass.....It's a common suggestion on the forums. Yes, I understand you feel obligated to make those comments.
As we all know, forum PvP is widely participated in, in Lew of in game PvP. I'm sorry for your... lack of losses :( |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6274
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:35:00 -
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Erutpar Ambient wrote:Things have come to a head and now is the time to be transparent. As i've pointed out a few times http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility i'm not the only one feeling this way. Lots of people have already stopped logging on. Ah, EvE is dying. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |

DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
757
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:36:00 -
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Erutpar Ambient wrote:Ocih wrote:There are days when I think Devs do stuff just for the sake of doing stuff but I never question the devotion no matter how much I do or don't agree with decisions.
I don't know if I will be here from one day to the next but it never once occurred to me that EVE wouldn't still be here when I came back. Until now i haven't really felt like that either. But then i saw this http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility (yes i keep linking it) I'm more worried about waiting for something that never comes instead of not having something to come back to.... at this point at least. DaReaper wrote:Patience young ones, Patience. No, I realize what you're saying. But then there's something that is staring even you in the face.... What have they fixed? Really the only thing that they've fixed successfully that needed fixing was FW. And they've even tweeked it since then too. But what else?...... Everything on your list is things they haven't gotten to. Everything on my list are what i feel is the TOP priority of the game but they just skirt around them and never really make any impactful changes. I'm not complaining that they don't add new stuff to the game. I'm worried that they will never make changes that have a significant and positive impact on the game. I'm complaining that for the last 2 -3 or whatever years that they've been "fixing" stuff they have yet to really fix the things that matter. They haven't fixed anything major! We're at a point where Sov Mechanics have created a climate where null sec can no longer function. They had 6 or 8 or however many years to step up and make the adjustments they need to have a perpetual game mechanic but they never did. I'm afraid at this point with the population trend that they won't be able to recover. That's why i'm writing this. That's why i'm RANTING this.
Time for a history lesson. GATHER ROUND KIDS, LET UNCLE REAPER TELL YA A STORY.
A long time ago, 14 years or so, some drunk dudes int he country of Iceland decided they wanted to make a sci-fi video game. they wanted to shoot stuff in space, and thus the seeds of eve was born. Eve was conceived in an odd time of technology. The trend for years had been to get the most MHZ then GHZ you possibly could out of a processor. These processors had single cores in them. And thus CCP chose to write eve in python. As they wrote it, there was no concept of processors with more cores. Then behold, in may of 2003 the great gods CCP unleashed there child EvE unto the world. It was only the beginning of there vision.
Around 2005 (give or take i'm a bit of on my processor history) someone decided 'screw mhz and ghz, why don't we add a second processor core to the ones we have! thats the ticket' and shortly after Duel Core processors were born. But CCP laughed at this and kept running eve on single core code. Eventually all processors went to duel core and the race of GHZ was over.
Now CCP has a problem. As more people started playing they noticed choke points whiten the code. If they could of has faster processors, it would not of been an issue. Bu the code they had was not optimized for more then a single code.
CCP did all they could to try and add band-aids ot this, but it was no use. They needed to change stuff. But they were set on shiney. So new stuff was optimized, but the core systems were not.
Incarnia riots made ccp freak out, and now we are into the era we are in. Stop adding shiney and fix what is broken.
You asked what was fixed? Clearly you do not understand the concept of code upgrade. Industry was an OLD mechanic. It has been in game, pretty much unchanged, since 2003. That means the entire system, and everything built on it, was written in single core code.
Touching it, gave CCP the chance to rewrite it so it could scale and use multiple cores. What this means is, if a system gets overloaded due to a fight, that the code of industry can scale and move off that core, thus giving the core that is sustaining the battle system will have less tax on it.
If they did things correctly, we should, once all the bugs are fixed, see a HUGE performance increase ot the cluster.
Every little rewrite, removed this old outdated code, and brings it to modern times. Evey piece that is not taxing a cpu means more performance. People ***** about TiDi, which was the band-aid to black screens during pvp.. (ask an old timer, TiDi is WAY better then.. blackness.) but eve is finally starting to get to the point where soon, TiDi may be a thing of history.
Thats the point. thats why industry NEEDED to be changed. That old code had to die, so new could replace it, something that can have other things built on it. What you are seeing, dear younglings, is a single piece of the picture. Things can now be added and improved because a core mechanic was fixed. There will be bumps and bugs, but they will get ironed out.
I remember people bitching that limiting drones to 5 would 'kill eve' but people got used to it, and got over it. The same thing will happen now, idiots will ***** and quit, but will return. Have a tad bit of faith. they could screw it up, but we will see. From my 10 years here, the future of eve seems bright. So again, Patience younglings.
In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6274
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:39:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:but eve is finally starting to get to the point where soon, TiDi may be a thing of history. Excellent. As a blobber, I look forward to the day we can use all our drones and so on without tidi ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2231
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:40:00 -
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Erutpar Ambient wrote:I'm sorry for your... lack of losses :( I wish. Check my killboard. My last 2 ships had short lives unfortunately. I blame them. Stupid ships. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |

Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
563
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:43:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:DaReaper wrote:but eve is finally starting to get to the point where soon, TiDi may be a thing of history. Excellent. As a blobber, I look forward to the day we can use all our drones and so on without tidi
Rest assured young F1 spam monkey. In 15 or 20 years, we will not remember what TiDi means.

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. |

Sato Page
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
134
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:45:00 -
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Well I guess CCP's empty promises is half the reason why many people are still playing the game. So more empty promises can't hurt. +1 from me. Dinsdale Pirannha for CEO of CCP |

DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
758
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Posted - 2014.07.24 05:46:00 -
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Erutpar Ambient wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Well, thanks to your snide dismissal of content being suggested for you after you solicited advice in the first place, I think I figured out why you're tired of EVE.
So you know what? Just quit. Because if you're actually looking for a dev post just to assuage your feelings, you are definitely asking the wrong company and the wrong message board. I'm not asking for a dev post. Just dev attention. And i don't want to want to quit! I want to want to keep playing. I think we all deserve to know what CCP is doing to help fix Null. Things have come to a head and now is the time to be transparent. As i've pointed out a few times http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility i'm not the only one feeling this way. Lots of people have already stopped logging on. And snide remark or not, i would like you to answer the question: do you think suicide ganking can sustain eve? Please tell me what I'm looking for. I've seen it and from what I remember they did a lot of the past and present of EvE and not a whole lot of the Future of Eve. In fact "building stargates" is the only thing from those videos that i can recall that hasn't already happened yet. How do we know these stargates arn't going to be locked just like the door in the captain's quarters? In fact we don't know anything about these things. And there's nothing about how they're planning on fixing the game. But please, don't mistake my skepticism for hopelessness. If i had no glimmer of hope i wouldn't be here now with a payed account posting on the forums.
Sigh...
4-1-1, touch coming (evetually) Valk, legion, eve as one (evetually) more power to players. Industry, corp and alliances, pos, sov, new stuff being fixed (roughly in the order) a more flexible release schedule, hopefully less "hey guys we have this shiney wiht these 5.. no 4.. no 3... no 2... features... the other 3 were cut due to time, we will get to them in 100 years, not new shiney!" If you really can;t see what ccp is doing, with the death of wod and moving dust from ps3 to pc, and valk, then i'm afraid you are blind In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't. |
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