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Standing Weasel	Posted - 2006.07.05 19:48:00 - [1] I'm a week old noob who was happily venturing out into my first 0.4 sec space experience, fighting some rats, when I hear this odd chirping noise. I glance around and I suddenly notice... Ah! I'm being targeted! ... by someone with -9.0 security status! CRAP! I hit the autopilot button, but I forgot to set it. Double crap! By the time I select a destination, I'm webbed! Oh noes! I immediately set a course for way-the-hell-out and hit my afterburners. But he's still gaining on me! Allright, I'll turn around and fight! Nosferatus before I even get within weapons range! Soon enough I was immobile and without any cap. left. I had a good chuckle as he had me scrambling for a good minute, and it was an exhilerating experience, being pirated for the first time. I await the ransom demand on local, and I open up my wallet and start counting out a few million I have spare. BOOM! My ship suddenly explodes! My pod is scrambled/snared as well and then comes in the ransom demand. "15 million and I let you live." Now - correct me if I'm wrong - but I'm a week-old noob who doesn't likely have 15 million; I just found out what an implant was, and don't have any; I'm fully insured; and I'm about 8 jumps away from home base. So let me get this straight. Mister Smarty-pants pirate is offering me two choices: He'll conveniently blow me up, sending me back to my HQ with my spare shiny ship; or, I can give him 15 million isk, and drift slowly back to base with no guarantee to my safety on the way back anyway. Well, mister pirate (you know who you are), I'm making it my mission to save up 15 million and put it up as a bounty on your head. Let's just call it a stupidity tax. Talk before you shoot next time. ;)
podadot	Posted - 2006.07.05 19:55:00 - [2] That's how it goes sometimes. FYI though, don't put the money into a bounty as he can simply get a friend to kill him and they can split the bounty or whatever, though a -9 guy may want to try to get as big a bounty as possible. Personally, if you are podded in a lame manner, I think putting the minimum bounty - 5k - is the way to go, sort of saying "you are not even worth a real bounty because you are lame".
Bach Atreides	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:00:00 - [3] You're a week old noob who starts counting out a FEW MIILION ISK YOU HAVE SPARE?!?!?!? Wow, either you have some generous friends or you bought some isk. Don't even bother to pay a ransom when you're that new, you pay ransoms when you want to save the hassel of fitting an expensive ship and/or saving implants.
GPerson	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:05:00 - [4] Few things. Why did you set an destination on autopilot instead of just warping out? + Don't put a bounty on his head. It will just make his e-peen grow. And a little advice, I recommend learning to watch local and your overview better. If you were watching local, you would know he was in system. And if you were watching your overview he wouldn't have snuck up on you. And lastly, you're lucky he wasn't to bright, he could have webbed and scrambled you, and held you hostage. Some people will start to pay to be podded after long enough in a situation like that. ~
Anaticula Cumminosa	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:18:00 - [5] Cap, nos, millions, webbed, -9.0 security...meh...doesnt sound like a week old noob to me...more like an alt..
OrangeAfroMan	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:22:00 - [6] You're lucky to get ransomed, we just kill, kill, kill :) Glad it was exciting though, and yeah, dont put 15mil bounty on him, bounties just make people like me feel big hugs bounty Gronsak is Tux's angry alt.
vile56	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:27:00 - [7] tbh alot of newer playes dread lowsec. while alts with pirate implants already know the dangers, and frequent alot. so it seems stupid to u(which to most would), but he could have got that above alt and made 15.
Mr Cleann	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:30:00 - [8] Another thing you rookies can do is access your overview settings by clicking on that "sideways" triangle on the overview window. and going thru and make sure everything is set the way you want to set it. You can adj what you want on there by doing that. Also if something is on there that you no-longer want to jave on there the just simply rite click on it and select remove from over view...that works great but can also be really annoying to as right next to that option is "target" But anyways by going thru your settings in the over view u can highlight the stuff you want to highlight even make them blink. Just my 2 cents of info for all you rookies out there.
kublai	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:37:00 - [9] ehm, did you get podded by me? i normally ask 10-15 mill por pod, not because I think you're worth it or you can afford it, but because thats how I value that delicious splat you get when popping a pod. I'm afraid I pod too many newbies to keep the count thou, after having moved regions I seem to meet so many fresh players its hard to keep track.
Standing Weasel	Posted - 2006.07.05 21:17:00 - [10] Edited by: Standing Weasel on 05/07/2006 21:19:28 Edited by: Standing Weasel on 05/07/2006 21:18:10 Originally by: Anaticula Cumminosa Cap, nos, millions, webbed, -9.0 security...meh...doesnt sound like a week old noob to me...more like an alt.. I had an alt about... 2 years? ago... Played for a month and just did mining in 0.8+ space. Quit for a long time, rejoined last week and started fresh. This is my first foray into combat. I'm doing a lot of research and chatting with a lot of folks in-game getting a feel for how combat and PvP works, so if I sound more knowledgable than a standard one-week n00b that's why. :) (it's also why I have a nice inheritance.) One thing I still can't grasp - Why do some of you evil pirate types not ransom? What if I did have mazillions in my pocket? What harm is there in a quick 1 minute conversation? Or better question yet; what have you to lose? I know my little frigate & mods is worth less than $300K, but I have deep sentimental attachment to them. I give them little pet names and now I'm up to Fluffy III. I would pay well more than it's worth to keep flying it :( Thanks for the advice on not placing a bounty; any recommendations on exacting some sort of justice on this player who is obviously much more talented/rich than me? Kublai: Nah, wasn't you :) I'm a chattybish in-game, you'd remember. :)

HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.05 21:20:00 - [11] yarr, nice story. Go get that guy
Inturist	Posted - 2006.07.05 21:47:00 - [12] One thing I still can't grasp - Why do some of you evil pirate types not ransom? What if I did have mazillions in my pocket? What harm is there in a quick 1 minute conversation? I'm ransoming , but , there is some pirates who don't ransom, they just need kill , that's all
NWO Scarface	Posted - 2006.07.05 22:07:00 - [13] now what i dont get is why would you have a battleship when you are only lke 1 weeek old that dosnt make sense im only 2 months old and i dont have one so how can u have one ? And you have 15 mill spare wtf? cant make 15 mill in 1 week cyas
Benglada	Posted - 2006.07.05 22:51:00 - [14] Originally by: NWO Scarface now what i dont get is why would you have a battleship when you are only lke 1 weeek old that dosnt make sense im only 2 months old and i dont have one so how can u have one ? And you have 15 mill spare wtf? cant make 15 mill in 1 week cyas hes an older player with an inheritence, and iirc he never said anywhere he was in a battleship --------------------------- Originally by: Wrangler Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
Ralara	Posted - 2006.07.05 22:52:00 - [15] Edited by: Ralara on 05/07/2006 22:52:59 Originally by: Standing Weasel I'm a week old noob Quote: 0.4 sec space What were you expecting? _-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_ -Colossus Technologies- 0.0 and Empire Mining \| PvP \| Manufacturing \| Ratting \| Trading \| Missions
Standing Weasel	Posted - 2006.07.05 23:04:00 - [16] Originally by: NWO Scarface now what i dont get is why would you have a battleship when you are only lke 1 weeek old that dosnt make sense im only 2 months old and i dont have one so how can u have one ? And you have 15 mill spare wtf? I never even said I had 15 million.. that's what the pirate was demanding! I happened to have $2 million on me (my vast riches! yarrr!), which I was prepared to give up to keep Fluffy II alive. Fluffy II, last I checked, wasn't a battleship - it was a $300K frigate (with all mods in). I forget what it's real name is... It kinda looks like an X-Wing crossed with a Pod-Racer (Minmatar). I was saying I'm making it my mission to raise $15 Million just to put down a bounty, but now that doesn't seem like the best idea...
Standing Weasel	Posted - 2006.07.05 23:05:00 - [17] Originally by: Ralara Edited by: Ralara on 05/07/2006 22:52:59 Originally by: Standing Weasel I'm a week old noob Quote: 0.4 sec space What were you expecting? Hehe, yes, bad call on my part - but I thought all the real men went down to 0.0 and 0.1 space, and all the noob pirates would be in .3 and .4 space.
kublai	Posted - 2006.07.05 23:08:00 - [18] whats so dangerous about 0.1 compared to 0.4?
Standing Weasel	Posted - 2006.07.05 23:11:00 - [19] Originally by: kublai whats so dangerous about 0.1 compared to 0.4? Like I said - all the real pirates are in 0.1. All the pirates in 0.3 and 0.4 are wussies. poke poke
5hakey	Posted - 2006.07.05 23:47:00 - [20] Real men pirate in Jita Cryin' won't help you, Prayin' will do you no good

Henry Bessemer	Posted - 2006.07.05 23:49:00 - [21] Originally by: Standing Weasel I forget what it's real name is... It kinda looks like an X-Wing crossed with a Pod-Racer (Minmatar). That's just about the perfect way to describe a Rifter lol.
Mekrunt	Posted - 2006.07.06 00:22:00 - [22] Yeah, what's more dangerous about .1 compared to .4?
Ralara	Posted - 2006.07.06 01:02:00 - [23] Originally by: Mekrunt Yeah, what's more dangerous about .1 compared to .4? The strength of the NPC rats and the bounties they offer. That's the only difference coded in-game. 0.4 I find to be more dangerous as a lot of.. well, people like the OP, venture in there to see what it's like, so players camp the gates more often there. As you go down in security, you'll find there's rarer and rarer ores, which players will defend more and more (since they're rarer and harder to get), but in-game mechanics-wise, as far as I know, 0.4 is just as safe as 0.1 space (possibly 1 or 2 less sentry guns on gates in 0.1 as opposed to 0.4 but don't quote me on that). _-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_ -Colossus Technologies- 0.0 and Empire Mining \| PvP \| Manufacturing \| Ratting \| Trading \| Missions
kublai	Posted - 2006.07.06 01:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Mekrunt Yeah, what's more dangerous about .1 compared to .4? The strength of the NPC rats and the bounties they offer. That's the only difference coded in-game. 0.4 I find to be more dangerous as a lot of.. well, people like the OP, venture in there to see what it's like, so players camp the gates more often there. As you go down in security, you'll find there's rarer and rarer ores, which players will defend more and more (since they're rarer and harder to get), but in-game mechanics-wise, as far as I know, 0.4 is just as safe as 0.1 space (possibly 1 or 2 less sentry guns on gates in 0.1 as opposed to 0.4 but don't quote me on that). It was a retorical question, being a pirate I dont give a rats ass about the rats :) And to say you have fiercer fighters guarding fiercer rats and rarer ore is not true at all, as you are more likely to run into hostile pirates and anti's in the more populated .4 systems, making them in my opinion by far more dangerous than low populated 0.1 systems, anyone can kill a ratting setup ship.
Ralara	Posted - 2006.07.06 01:44:00 - [25] Edited by: Ralara on 06/07/2006 01:46:43 Originally by: kublai Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Mekrunt Yeah, what's more dangerous about .1 compared to .4? The strength of the NPC rats and the bounties they offer. That's the only difference coded in-game. 0.4 I find to be more dangerous as a lot of.. well, people like the OP, venture in there to see what it's like, so players camp the gates more often there. As you go down in security, you'll find there's rarer and rarer ores, which players will defend more and more (since they're rarer and harder to get), but in-game mechanics-wise, as far as I know, 0.4 is just as safe as 0.1 space (possibly 1 or 2 less sentry guns on gates in 0.1 as opposed to 0.4 but don't quote me on that). It was a retorical question, being a pirate I dont give a rats ass about the rats :) I was answering for the benefit of the newer players as several of them have posted in this thread. Quote: as you are more likely to run into hostile pirates and anti's in the more populated .4 systems, making them in my opinion by far more dangerous than low populated 0.1 systems, anyone can kill a ratting setup ship. Did I not say that I've found 0.4 to be more dangerous than 0.1 because of the amount of player pirates that hunt newer and weaker players, and indeed, anyone they can fire at? EDIT: Yup, I'm pretty sure I said "0.4 I find to be more dangerous as a lot of.. well, people like the OP, venture in there to see what it's like, so players camp the gates more often there." _-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_-=-_ -Colossus Technologies- 0.0 and Empire Mining \| PvP \| Manufacturing \| Ratting \| Trading \| Missions
Necromancer D	Posted - 2006.07.06 02:27:00 - [26] Damn, that's some hard luck, stupid pirates ftl, anyway, if the bugger DOESN'T already have a bounty, feel free to put a 5000 isk bounty on his head, it's a good ammount that isn't worth farming and it mostly just works to draw attention to him, which is that last the a pirate wants when he hunting. Anyway I'm happy to see you where such a good sport about it, and welcome to the Eve universe.
Ehker Gerete	Posted - 2006.07.06 06:29:00 - [27] I wish that you could see who gave you a bounty when you got one... Please keep your signature below the 24000 bytes limit.- Pirlouit There. Fixed. - Ehker
Necromancer D	Posted - 2006.07.06 06:48:00 - [28] In most cases it's the last person you ****ed off
Sonlatur	Posted - 2006.07.06 09:15:00 - [29] When you blow the ship up, you get some of the modules that he had fitted. Maybe something very valuable is inside... That you're willing to pay more than its worth for your ship is pretty rare in EVE i suppose - still, i think that ransomning pays better. Got a True Sansha armor hardener once from a cruiser though . But he blocked my ransom request, and until he had convoed me again he had popped. So, popping a ship instead isnt pointless. What is pointless is attacking a week old rooky who is hunting in the belts in 0.4. Period. -- "Greetings fellow pod pilot. I am Sonlatur of the Sebiestor tribe and you have become a target in my war against the Evil Amarr Empire. Ransom negotiations are possible."
DOGNOSH	Posted - 2006.07.06 10:38:00 - [30] Mr weasel,i am NOT a pirate,but what that pirate did was correct,ransom or pod,either will do the whole point of low sec is that it's NOT safe,nothing to do with you being a vet or noob if you don't want to get podded then stay in safe space ========================================== stop moaning,give CCP a break

Inturist	Posted - 2006.07.06 17:28:00 - [31] Originally by: Standing Weasel Originally by: kublai whats so dangerous about 0.1 compared to 0.4? Like I said - all the real pirates are in 0.1. All the pirates in 0.3 and 0.4 are wussies. poke poke O RLY ?? Didn't knew that , that's mean i'll stay in 0.4 , there i'm gonna be safe and can mine veldspar !!!
Suri Valoris	Posted - 2006.07.06 18:00:00 - [32] Edited by: Suri Valoris on 06/07/2006 18:01:16 That's exactly why pirates stay in 0.4 - 0.1 , because all noobs ( one week noobs or BS rushers noobs :p) think that the " goods pirates " stay in 0.0 :p .... next time man just check the local and dont forget that " show info " and scan are ur friends :)
kublai	Posted - 2006.07.06 18:42:00 - [33] Do these idiots realise that pirates are attacked and do attack any non allied pirate aswell, and thus a pirate suffers the exact same problem they do, in addition to not being protected by concord/gate guns etc and having to deal with anti's? Being a pirate is by FAR more dangerous than a miner, we dont generally have slots for stabs either ya know, so when you're locked down its win or die.
Bach Atreides	Posted - 2006.07.06 20:39:00 - [34] Originally by: kublai Being a pirate is by FAR more dangerous than a miner, we dont generally have slots for stabs either ya know, so when you're locked down its win or die. Really? Most miners don't hang out by stations or gates, we're in the belts MINING. No Concord guns to protect you there, also the low slots are often filled up with cargo expanders instead of stabs (mine are.) IMO I'd feel much better (as a pirate) in a fighting rig than an unarmed barge just waiting to get smashed to bits. At least you have a fighting chance, and a ship that can move faster than 100m/s! Now I realize there are the high risk pirates who engage certain ratters, but usually ratting setups don't involve warp scramblers, so if the fight goes bad, running is still an option. (I hate having to sit there and watch my barge die, completely helpless.)
kublai	Posted - 2006.07.06 22:32:00 - [35] You still forget I haveto contend with the pirates, oh and guess what I spend my time in the BELTS killing YOU! And guess what, when i'm at GATES and STATIONS Concord wont lift a finger to defend me if you shoot me, I flash, its nifty to look at but try traveling 33 jumps with every idiot shooting at your shuttle and trying to pod you nexto fifteen doughnut eating concords going "you have been a very very bad girl kublai". For me, there is -no- safe zone in eve, you can warp to a station and be relatively safe, when i'm persued by pirates I better pray i'm in my inty or have an insta. Also, i'll attack anything, literally, I even attack battleships and hac's in my little crow knowing that one day i'll meet a newbie who'll pay out bigtime.
Standing Weasel	Posted - 2006.07.06 23:00:00 - [36] I just want to re-iterate that I didn't think I'd be safe in .4 space (hell, I died in .5 space earlier), hence the poke poke jocularity earlier ;) (you pirates are always so sensitive! want yer blankeee?? hehehe) My main gripe is that this pilot could have made a few million off of me if he just asked - and he could have blown me up afterwards too - and I would have totally understood and slapped him on the back and said "nice job, you're a pro pirate!" But he started at 15 million... for a ship worth 300K.. and a pod worth 0. I chuckled at the issue someone brough up on page 1 - hell, I would have paid a few million for him to pod me, saving me a trip back home! Some people pirate because they're good at it; some people pirate because they're fun. But I guess some people pirate because they can't even grasp the most basic principles of how to make a dollar. The whole issue keeps cropping up in my head and I laugh to myself... Just last night I was tooling around in .7 space killing some rats, and after scanning 20 belts I couldn't find anything except a lone miner. I AB'd up to him and started circling and locking, and I convo'd him in jest and said "zOMG GIVE ME 1.5 BILLION ISK OR YOUR GOPHER GETS IT!!! lolz". We both had a good laugh about that and he pointed me to a system he had just been chased out of by rats. I sent him 10K for the good time we shared. (I buy my friends).
Lojik	Posted - 2006.07.06 23:19:00 - [37] Originally by: Standing Weasel I sent him 10K for the good time we shared. (I buy my friends). :( i'm all lonely come make friends with me nah nice story, good luck next time
Portios Smith	Posted - 2006.07.06 23:21:00 - [38] Edited by: Portios Smith on 06/07/2006 23:21:27 Originally by: NWO Scarface now what i dont get is why would you have a battleship when you are only lke 1 weeek old that dosnt make sense im only 2 months old and i dont have one so how can u have one ? And you have 15 mill spare wtf? cant make 15 mill in 1 week cyas On my first week I had a few hundred k ISK when luck struck. looted an accomodation repper from a rat somewhere and a named web (90%) from WC mission. total made from those two mods, 13.5Mill. so yea you can make 14 mill as a week old noob, if you are lucky. P.S month and a half latter and I've never had those mods drop again Under construction
kublai	Posted - 2006.07.06 23:22:00 - [39] Originally by: Standing Weasel I just want to re-iterate that I didn't think I'd be safe in .4 space (hell, I died in .5 space earlier), hence the poke poke jocularity earlier ;) (you pirates are always so sensitive! want yer blankeee?? hehehe) My main gripe is that this pilot could have made a few million off of me if he just asked - and he could have blown me up afterwards too - and I would have totally understood and slapped him on the back and said "nice job, you're a pro pirate!" But he started at 15 million... for a ship worth 300K.. and a pod worth 0. I chuckled at the issue someone brough up on page 1 - hell, I would have paid a few million for him to pod me, saving me a trip back home! Some people pirate because they're good at it; some people pirate because they're fun. But I guess some people pirate because they can't even grasp the most basic principles of how to make a dollar. The whole issue keeps cropping up in my head and I laugh to myself... Just last night I was tooling around in .7 space killing some rats, and after scanning 20 belts I couldn't find anything except a lone miner. I AB'd up to him and started circling and locking, and I convo'd him in jest and said "zOMG GIVE ME 1.5 BILLION ISK OR YOUR GOPHER GETS IT!!! lolz". We both had a good laugh about that and he pointed me to a system he had just been chased out of by rats. I sent him 10K for the good time we shared. (I buy my friends). From what i've heard you didnt meet a pirate, you met a PK (Player Killer). Personally I shift those, if the guy isnt worth 10~ mill i'm playing my PK side, if he is, i'm playing my pirate side
Standing Weasel	Posted - 2006.07.06 23:26:00 - [40] Originally by: Portios Smith so yea you can make 14 mill as a week old noob, if you are lucky. P.S month and a half latter and I've never had those mods drop again I actually legitimately made most of my VAST RICHES ($2.3 mill now! WOOT): I started out with captaining skill so it was a quick upgrade to cruiser (and a Scythe). Then upgraded to Mining IV so I could mount my Mining Laser IIs. Then a buddy of mine joined up with me and we made a corp; he has a transport ship that I dump all my haul into. After doing the maths, we make 1.3 million bucks hauling omber every 23 minutes. Sure we spend most of it right away buying a hoarde of skill books, plus mining is boring so we don't to it much longer than 5 minutes at a time, but still! The potential is there to make 2.5 mil per hour.

Twilight Moon	Posted - 2006.07.07 12:07:00 - [41] Originally by: NWO Scarface cant make 15 mill in 1 week Try harder. --------------------- Sig to come soonish.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.07.07 15:47:00 - [42] People ransom pods for high prices because: 1. If the person doesn't have implants, they wouldn't have paid anyways, no matter what the price. 2. If the person does have valuable implants, they would pay, no matter what the price (as long as its within reason). Since a newbie would not have the ISK nor valuable implants, a pirate's only hope is that the character might be an alt, not a newbie, and thus he ransoms. --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTB Platinum Technite, WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II-


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