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Commander Solo	Posted - 2006.07.05 19:56:00 - [1] During the course of the conflict between FLA/IRON and NFC there has been an ever increasing emphasis on killboard stats. While it may seem like an indicator of how the war is progressing, it is rather misleading when the true objectives of the conflict are considered. While I make no excuses for other corporations not uploading their killmails, I can say that D-F-C honors and respects the value of a killmail to an individual, hence why we post our kill and death mails. IRON have maintained that their killboard has a greater level of accuracy than the NFC one, which is probably true, but at the end of the day there will be discrepancies on any killboard, whether it is un-posted or even fake mails! This is no flame, im not looking for a forum war over this one as I have far too much to do in other aspects of eve and also that fuzzy thing called real life. However I would like to inform the IRON leadership of a glaring discrepancy on their board so they may deal with it appropriately. Fotoflame if you would be so kind to check the following links, im sure they are more than conclusive. First of all, a straight up screenshot of the IRON killboard, in particular id like you to see the death of Grotznik a member of Digital Fury, who apparently lost his Mackinaw mining in JU- this morning http://i6.tinypic.com/1z2q9fr.jpg Also please see the following link for further information regarding the kill itself, as you can see he was ôkilledö by TekkyHead of Exodus. http://i6.tinypic.com/1z2qa6w.jpg Now the next screenshot is where it gets interesting, please click on it to see a picture of GrotznikÆs skill sheet, which clearly shows he doesnÆt actually have the ôExhumersö skill to actually fly a Mackinaw as he is a relatively new alt. http://i6.tinypic.com/1z2qavc.jpg To verify this further please see the following screenshot of Grotznik logged in showing the ôrequired skillsö of a Mackinaw. http://i6.tinypic.com/1z2qcu1.jpg First of all I would like to apologise for the amount of screenshots that you have had to examine, I just wanted to ensure all the evidence was presented to the leadership of IRON so they may deal with this accordingly. Kind Regards Commander Solo CEO-Digital Fury Corporation.
Sku1ly	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:07:00 - [2] First. Go Dan! STK-S Website
Juggernaut Kell	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:08:00 - [3] Edited by: Juggernaut Kell on 05/07/2006 20:10:45 edited at the request of my corp (if you want what I posted just contact me, I sure dont have a problem reposting it.)
Dave White	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:08:00 - [4] Edited by: Dave White on 05/07/2006 20:08:22 Hm... Busted Not to mention it's very interesting that the Mackinaw has no stuff fitted
Turiya Flesharrower	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:10:00 - [5] NFC posting about inaccurate killboard stats. Riiiight...
Dave White	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:11:00 - [6] Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower NFC posting about inaccurate killboard stats. Riiiight... qft CCP where are those game-linked un-fakeable killboards already?!
No0bSkillz	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:13:00 - [7] http://www.iron.eve-killboard.net/?a=home or http://www.iron.eve-killboard.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2744
Commander Solo	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:13:00 - [8] Originally by: Dave White Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower NFC posting about inaccurate killboard stats. Riiiight... qft CCP where are those game-linked un-fakeable killboards already?! Sure, hence why i accept no responsiblity for the NFC killboards and freely admit that the nfc board is not accurate.
Avril Dewar	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower NFC posting about inaccurate killboard stats. Riiiight... Please don't start flaming on this thread... this is purely to alert IRON leadership of fake killmails. We by no means claim that our killboard is perfect, though we do ask all members to post. I would urge anyone who have killmails that are not posted to forward them to me and I will do it personally. If you find fake killmails on our boards, do exactly the same as Dan has just done and we'll sort it.
Commander Solo	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:23:00 - [10] Originally by: Commander Solo Originally by: Dave White Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower NFC posting about inaccurate killboard stats. Riiiight... qft CCP where are those game-linked un-fakeable killboards already?! Sure, hence why i accept no responsiblity for the NFC killboards and freely admit that the nfc board is not accurate. Oops got the wrong end of the stick on this post, if you require proof, feel free to check the iron killboards: http://www.iron.eve-killboard.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2744

FotoFlame	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:24:00 - [11] From what i can see the same kill was posted on your own killboards: Click We occasionally refer to hostile killboards to update our losses/kills - whether this is where the discrepency has originated from remains to be seen but i will look into it further.. IRON leadership does not tolerate the posting of fake mails and has been known to come down hard on pilots that have been caught out in the past, its a pointless exploit that only reflects poorly on our kill ratios. Hardly requires a new thread though, you are welcome to mail us in-game about these type of things. ~Foto
Commander Solo	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:29:00 - [12] Originally by: FotoFlame From what i can see the same kill was posted on your own killboards: Click We occasionally refer to hostile killboards to update our losses/kills - whether this is where the discrepency has originated from remains to be seen but i will look into it further.. IRON leadership does not tolerate the posting of fake mails and has been known to come down hard on pilots that have been caught out in the past, its a pointless exploit that only reflects poorly on our kill ratios. Hardly requires a new thread though, you are welcome to mail us in-game about these type of things. ~Foto How do you explain the fact that this pilot cant even get into the ship? Thanks for letting me know the channels in which i can report future inccidents if they occur.
Avril Dewar	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:33:00 - [13] Originally by: FotoFlame Edited by: FotoFlame on 05/07/2006 20:30:00 From what i can see the same kill was posted on your own killboards: Click We occasionally refer to hostile killboards to update our losses/kills - whether this is where the discrepency has originated from remains to be seen but i will look into it further.. IRON leadership does not tolerate the posting of fake mails and has been known to come down hard on pilots that have been caught out in the past, its a pointless exploit that only reflects poorly on our kill ratios. Hardly requires a new thread though, you are welcome to mail us in-game about these type of things. ~Foto I guess IRON have the password to our killboard then... That will be deleted
Rytir	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:44:00 - [14] Originally by: Avril Dewar Originally by: FotoFlame Edited by: FotoFlame on 05/07/2006 20:30:00 From what i can see the same kill was posted on your own killboards: Click We occasionally refer to hostile killboards to update our losses/kills - whether this is where the discrepency has originated from remains to be seen but i will look into it further.. IRON leadership does not tolerate the posting of fake mails and has been known to come down hard on pilots that have been caught out in the past, its a pointless exploit that only reflects poorly on our kill ratios. Hardly requires a new thread though, you are welcome to mail us in-game about these type of things. ~Foto I guess IRON have the password to our killboard then... That will be deleted we will not tolerate this kind of exploit as it gives us a false report on our performance. we will investigate this and deal with the offenders as appropiate (sp?)
Darko1107	Posted - 2006.07.05 21:22:00 - [15] Hmm Tekkyhead is usually not one to fake killmails. An investigation will be launched, thx for letting us know, however, a topic on the eve-o forums was not needed. ------------------
No0bSkillz	Posted - 2006.07.05 21:23:00 - [16] Originally by: Dave White Edited by: Dave White on 05/07/2006 20:08:22 Hm... Busted Not to mention it's very interesting that the Mackinaw has no stuff fitted rgr that! next time iron make sure u add fittings to ur fake mails lol.
Commander Solo	Posted - 2006.07.05 21:26:00 - [17] Edited by: Commander Solo on 05/07/2006 21:29:53 Edited by: Commander Solo on 05/07/2006 21:29:17 Originally by: Darko1107 Hmm Tekkyhead is usually not one to fake killmails. An investigation will be launched, thx for letting us know, however, a topic on the eve-o forums was not needed. Sure i can understand you would like to keep this information out of the public domain, in future i will email the directors err directly.
No0bSkillz	Posted - 2006.07.05 21:27:00 - [18] Originally by: Darko1107 Hmm Tekkyhead is usually not one to fake killmails. An investigation will be launched, thx for letting us know, however, a topic on the eve-o forums was not needed. usually ??!?!?!??? LMAO so u do this often ?
Emno	Posted - 2006.07.05 21:31:00 - [19] Originally by: No0bSkillz Originally by: Darko1107 Hmm Tekkyhead is usually not one to fake killmails. An investigation will be launched, thx for letting us know, however, a topic on the eve-o forums was not needed. usually ??!?!?!??? LMAO so u do this often ? yes i've killed 5 titans go check
Darko1107	Posted - 2006.07.05 21:44:00 - [20] Originally by: No0bSkillz Originally by: Darko1107 Hmm Tekkyhead is usually not one to fake killmails. An investigation will be launched, thx for letting us know, however, a topic on the eve-o forums was not needed. usually ??!?!?!??? LMAO so u do this often ? Yeh its usually Me. LMAO ROFL, LOL. Grow up. ------------------

Camp Queer	Posted - 2006.07.06 01:42:00 - [21] I seem to remember an entire corp was wiped from NFC killboards during the first war as it made FLA look good. Quit whining and pretending you don't want a forum war. Forget the killboards, this war needs to be decided on the battlefield.
MrBrightSide	Posted - 2006.07.06 05:21:00 - [22] Originally by: Camp ***** I seem to remember an entire corp was wiped from NFC killboards during the first war as it made FLA look good. Quit whining and pretending you don't want a forum war. Forget the killboards, this war needs to be decided on the battlefield. have u got the screen shots and links ? nice post,
Commander Solo	Posted - 2006.07.06 06:47:00 - [23] Originally by: Camp ***** I seem to remember an entire corp was wiped from NFC killboards during the first war as it made FLA look good. Quit whining and pretending you don't want a forum war. Forget the killboards, this war needs to be decided on the battlefield. If you would like to add something to this thread, please do it with your main as its already becomming infested with n00b alts. For your information, im not aware of any of the details of your claim, but im guessing it was Burn Eden and/or Electrophobia (excuse the spelling) that were removed once the conflict was resolved. You will also notice that these corporations have stated that FLA has crossed the line this time. Making the FLA look good? thats a classic in itself, on their own FLA/you (assuming you an FLA alt) have the combat capacity of a wooden spoon. IRON is the only thing keeping FLA's head above water. If you actually read my original post you will see that i said that killboards arent the be all and end all of a conflict.
Tozmeister	Posted - 2006.07.06 06:51:00 - [24] The old killboard was taken down because isn't wasn't secure and FLA were posting fake kills on that it. Not even beleivable kills though, one involved a Moros killed by a single Velator with a basic mining laser. On another note, if this report of a fake kill is one that that should have been brought to IRON directly and not to the forums then why are IRON members in other threads boasting of their kill ratios against us? Either kill ratios are a matter of public concern in which case so are the fakes/inaccuraces that disprove them or they are not and no mention of kill ratios should be on the boards. Grats to Tekkyhead though, only 1 loss ever in the history of the IRON killboard. Wow, now thats some skills. --------------------------------------------------- The Braying sheep on my TV screen Make this boy shout, make this boy scream - The Jam (1980)
Quillan Rage	Posted - 2006.07.06 08:34:00 - [25] How embarassing, maybe we should check the other 465 kills to make sure they aren't all fake too. Personally, I think Tekkyhead wants to win the solo ganker of the month award, but why anyone would choose a Mackinaw as the ship kill considering its skills requirement, DOH! Can imagine it will be dealt with internally, by only letting him fit miner II's to his Vagabond for the remainder of the campaign!
Midiana	Posted - 2006.07.06 08:35:00 - [26] Originally by: Commander Solo Making the FLA look good? thats a classic in itself, on their own FLA/you (assuming you an FLA alt) have the combat capacity of a wooden spoon. IRON is the only thing keeping FLA's head above water. If you actually read my original post you will see that i said that killboards arent the be all and end all of a conflict. Taking your analagy of our combat ability and the reality of the situation i'd just like to advise you to avoid kitchens at all costs lest you get caught in a horrific stirring accident causing you to explode in spectacular fashion. Joking aside. I care not a jot for killboard stats, I'm sure you guys feel like your doing great, even if you weren't you wouldn't come out here and say it that would just defy reason its been stated a few times its not how many ships you lose its how firm your resolve is, tighten your belts NFC our resolve will not waver. In closing i'd like to say, for the "most" part the war in game has been clean and smack free. If we could attempt to all enagage our zen before posting i'm sure these threads would be less angst ridden also. Good fight NFC what i've seen of it see you in space.
Darko1107	Posted - 2006.07.06 09:34:00 - [27] This issue has been dealt with. Tekkyhead did kill an NFC Exhumer, however gurista's got the killmail. He then attempted to make up the killmail (fair enough imo), but got the name of the pilot wrong oops. I thought this would be the case, this mail will be deleted when we get hold of the killboard owner, we would appreciate it if the person that did lose the mackinaw would reply to this post with the loss mail, or mail it to tekkyhead. ------------------
Shinoobie	Posted - 2006.07.06 09:39:00 - [28] We have looked on your killboard for it, but with no luck. :( Elite Scouting
Alaesa	Posted - 2006.07.06 10:05:00 - [29] doesnt teh killboard.net, ransomise kills after a few searches ?
Goltan	Posted - 2006.07.06 11:31:00 - [30] Guristas got the mail from an exhumer then he forgot who it was he killed and the loss mail isnt on anyone else killboards so he made one up . Is this what your saying? Erm what was the name of those 7 carrier pilots i killed while ratting again wish i could remember id be top of our KB ;P .



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