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vf142rex
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Posted - 2003.10.01 12:38:00 -
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I've never once seen a TTI vessel. Perhaps they were merely a false corp ?
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.01 13:11:00 -
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By the way, I have no ******* clue
We noticed vf, we noticed.
You personify the entire TTi downfall in this very thread. You post a position thats deliberately inflamatory and biased and then blame everybody else of bias and propoganda whilst blantantly ignoring the facts.
The article was accurate, TTi is dead in the water, you've shown nothing to counter that and you even post supporting reasons for a magazine to take a slightly "anti" position - "nobody" likes TTi.
Im sure EG could post a wonderfully pro-TTi article saying how they are thriving but, it would be bull****.
Thats the point that you seem unable to grasp and why throwing accusations of "blatant bias" are meaningless and only further damage your position.
Taggart - Member count 201
Get real.
I fail to see whats so biased about posting the factual issue that TTi don't have 201 memebers or anything like it (id be surprised if they can manage 20 bums-on-seats, even 10 at once). Its as much a sham as saying TTi are thriving.
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I got lost halfway through when I couldn't tell the difference between it and the land before time. Better luck next time writing, Cerys Ereint.
Quit the crappage vf and tell us exactly how the article is so make believe?
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.01 13:13:00 -
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OMG TTI IS GOING DOWN?!
Who will supply us with free battleships now?! NOOOO!
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.01 13:18:00 -
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OMG TTI IS GOING DOWN?!
Who will supply us with free battleships now?! NOOOO!
hehe i will - at same free rate as tti did 
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.01 13:24:00 -
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well then its back to techell as usual i guess 
Not that techell supplies pirates, no, of course not, no no no...
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.10.01 13:53:00 -
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Well at least we can finally put the following accusation to bed after the revelations from TTi members in this thread:
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...Jealousy...SHEER UNADULTERATED jealousy. jealous of TTI...for its money, its honor, its numbers, and its success.
Of course we see one or two TTi ships in Venal every day through the local channel. As has been stated many times, it is impossible to completely stop this sort of thing - there is no way to grab someone sitting on safe points or using insta-warp BMs. These ships have zero strategic effect, and never have. Failure to think beyond the tactical has cost the Northern Alliance dearly in this war.
My personal opinion is that TTi guaranteed they would lose the war from the moment they allied with M3G4. Although it gave them a fleet of expendable ships it alienated the potential support they may have been able to gather. How many people have not had dealings at the wrong end of a M3G4 blockade? No amount of lies could hide the fact that the NA was basically a pirate alliance. You can only take "your enemy's enemy is your friend" so far before it becomes a liability and whether or not TTi realise it, allying almost solely with pirates wrecked what little support they had - I suspect from within as well as without.
The stated war aims of the NA were to clean the NVA out of Venal. That doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of happening now. M3G4 has to all intents and purposes collapsed and TTi are a faint anaemic shadow of their former selves. If that is not victory I do not know what is. Still it seems TTi and M3G4 (aka Smoked and Christopher Xan) will not let go of the bone. At this point they are only humiliating themselves by not finally coming to an agreement. I believe a settlement was close a week ago, but it was blocked by Ragnar personally. Instead they have chosen to ride into oblivion and memory.
It strikes me, as a non-beta player, that TTi at least did not understand what they were getting themselves into when they declared war. The reason I say this is that in Beta apparently TTi were engaged in an 'endless war' where every now and then a war would flare up and eventually agreement reached followed by peace and then another war. The difference this time is that there is no player wipe around the corner to wipe the slate clean. Wars are now fought for keeps abd corporations should think very carefully indeed before commiting to a war against a serious opponent in the very flippant manner that TTi and M3G4 did.
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vf142rex
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Posted - 2003.10.01 13:57:00 -
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a Slaver sheds it summer coat
Comparing TTI to a slaver. I can think of many ways to make the comparison to members leaving TTI. Comparing it to a slaver? Very very negative.
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its leadership clique remains not only dedicated to the continuing war against the New Venal Alliance (NVA)
How exactly does this reporter know? On what grounds is the reporter saying this? How does this reporter know that leadership is not attempting to make peace with NVA. The fact is that he does not, and could not, know.
I'd continue breaking this down, but I really have to go to class. kthxbye.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.10.01 14:01:00 -
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I heard TTI ate its babies.
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Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?"
Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't"
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.10.01 14:02:00 -
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Slaver
And, of course, inside information, vf 
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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vf142rex
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Posted - 2003.10.01 17:12:00 -
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My apologizes for that one. :p
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Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2003.10.01 17:51:00 -
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The fact of the matter is that what I have said (and the people who are against TTI) has the most validity. Carebears didnt destroy your corporation, you did.
All of these imperfections you talk about such as the market, ship equipping, its not like these imperfections only applied to TTI and somehow magically didnt effect every other corporation in the game. We have been through this a lot, the game is constantly changing, and if you dont adapt you die off.
Cry and whine about how its not your fault all you want, the majority of the eve community wont believe it for one moment, we just see you as whiners, possibly carebears. You, your "rugged individualism" probably contributed to your downfall, your members were probably unwilling to give up the easy life and didnt try to adapt.
You only have yourselves to blame and no one else.
Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate
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<Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market?
<Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.10.01 18:04:00 -
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I've really debated posting in this thread. I've become very content and truly enjoy EVE again after nearly leaving because of the situation TTi found itself embroiled in.
ThereÆs a lot of posturing going on from both sides. The longtime "enemies" of TTi are gloating over the downturn of fortune for their favorite target. What I find as sad is the fact that downturn is in many cases due to people who left the game completely after finding out EVE wasn't what it could have been. I don't believe anyone should celebrate people quitting. This is supposed to be "fun" after all isn't it?
ThatÆs the real issue here. Fun means different things to different people. Lets look at the mindset of the "typical" TTi member (I should know I used to be one). The typical TTi member is slightly older then the "average" gamer. They have a college education and are generally comfortable in life. They joined TTi for the most part to play the economic side of the game. How much isk can I accumulate? How much property can I own? How many stocks can I purchase?
HellGremlin once said "TTi is THE place for intellectuals". No thatÆs not arrogance. All it means is he had a recognition of the "type" of player to become a TTi member. They were people who enjoyed the "simpler" pursuits of the game.
Certainly TTi had some PvP types too. Despite what anyone says there were always more than 1-2 ships out with the old VA fleet. Hell even I joined them a few times and spent an afternoon chasing Homo Erectus around Venal (good chases - was a lot of fun). If I would show up for combat (you all know my reputation) I think itÆs clear others did too. Despite the endless posturing from both sides about this issue itÆs clear.
I'm not really sure what the current situation is within TTi. I do see that many of my old friends have quit. I received an email just yesterday from a longtime beta tester who was also in TTi. He's leaving because the opportunity to set up a truly capitalistic company and economy in EVE hasn't been realized. Where is our stock market? Where are our corporate takeovers? All this is absent in what truly is an exceptional game that just "needs a little work".
I left TTi for a couple of reasons. Some were well known (I hated war and wanted to play in peace) but some weren't. For one I donÆt approve of piracy. ThatÆs a roleplaying "ethical" position I've taken. Yes I was a director in TTi when we joined the VA and yes there were pirate corps in the VA (space invaders for one). I'm sorry for my association with them (in real life theyÆre a great bunch - this is roleplaying here).
I also left after the VA situation "self-destructed". I believe the VA could've been salvaged and that there were other options. The entire war was a farce to begin with as no evidence was ever put forth to justify the initial invasion anyway. Still it happened and people seemed to enjoy watching TTi squirm under the attack of what amounted to pirates.
Since I've left TTi I've started my own small corporation and am enjoying EVE. We only have a couple members but we're active in the CFS and enjoy the peace and freedom being "law abiding" allows. I fully support the CFS policy and the right to free access to space.
Perhaps in the future TTi will regroup. I don't know the future of Ragnar. In real life I count him as a friend. He's a successful businessman and a loyal friend. In game roleplaying I found him to be intense and driven to make TTi an economic power.
If TTi emerges from all this it will likely be a smaller company. I would imagine there may be some executive leadership changes involved and some new principles focused or reaffirmed old ones restated.
I do believe TTi will be back and I look forward to seeing them regain a place of respectability in the EVE community. I think we all WANT to see people stay in the game and get back on the right track. The path taken before was long, tumultuous and filled with danger. Perhaps an easier path of honesty, loyalty and friendship will follow for them. I certainly hope so. I would like to help them in any way possible when that happens become a respected corporation the in EVE community.
I think we all would.
Calladen Nimitz
CEO - Libertas Enterprises
Senator - CFS Senate
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Luther Pendragon
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Posted - 2003.10.01 18:15:00 -
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Edited by: Luther Pendragon on 01/10/2003 18:15:40
Errr...nm..hello.
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Taggart wants YOU. Join TTi!
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Ezra
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Posted - 2003.10.01 18:38:00 -
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Edited by: Acab on 01/10/2003 07:17:02
The megalomaniac attitude of Ragnar lead TTi to his (supposed?) doom. NOTHING else.
Or more appropriately - Ragnar got overconfident and bit off WAY more than he could chew.
If he'd played things more cautiously, TTI might still be very healthy.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.01 22:17:00 -
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My apologizes for that one. :p
hehe - thats the problem with doing IC news i guess - if folks dont know the rp references it gets a bit easily mistaken.
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