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Noragli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.25 14:21:00 -
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What's the most efficient way to suicide gank an Orca in 0.5? I know around 20 catalysts would be the cheapest but I need to do it with less people.
Assuming the orca has a damage control fitted, which ship type would be best? Tier 3 battlecruisers perhaps? And how many would be required? |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
310
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Posted - 2014.07.25 14:27:00 -
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awox it.
you need 2 characters.
they only need to be able to survive its drones.
put one character on each side of the gate.
kill off all his drones as he deploys them.
ping pong him until it pops. |
Noragli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
68
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Posted - 2014.07.25 14:28:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:awox it.
you need 2 characters.
they only need to be able to survive its drones.
put one character on each side of the gate.
kill off all his drones as he deploys them.
ping pong him until it pops.
Awox means getting into his corp? I mean ships required to suicide gank it. |
Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards
The Bastards.
392
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Posted - 2014.07.25 14:30:00 -
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Noragli wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:awox it.
you need 2 characters.
they only need to be able to survive its drones.
put one character on each side of the gate.
kill off all his drones as he deploys them.
ping pong him until it pops. Awox means getting into his corp? I mean ships required to suicide gank it.
Catalyst. Mate lots of them. |
Noragli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
68
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Posted - 2014.07.25 14:31:00 -
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Lord LazyGhost wrote:Noragli wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:awox it.
you need 2 characters.
they only need to be able to survive its drones.
put one character on each side of the gate.
kill off all his drones as he deploys them.
ping pong him until it pops. Awox means getting into his corp? I mean ships required to suicide gank it. Catalyst. Mate lots of them.
Let's say we only have 6 pilots, can it be done with T3 battlecruisers and large guns? In 0.5 sec |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
310
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Posted - 2014.07.25 14:40:00 -
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depends a lot on the skills of the pilots.
there is a huge difference between BC trained to lvl 1 and 30k SP in gunnery and BC to lvl 5 and 12 million SP in gunnery
You have 6 guys w/ tier 3 bc:
fit them out for max damage w/ meta 4
try it
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19817
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Posted - 2014.07.25 15:50:00 -
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Noragli wrote:Lord LazyGhost wrote:Noragli wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:awox it.
you need 2 characters.
they only need to be able to survive its drones.
put one character on each side of the gate.
kill off all his drones as he deploys them.
ping pong him until it pops. Awox means getting into his corp? I mean ships required to suicide gank it. Catalyst. Mate lots of them. Let's say we only have 6 pilots, can it be done with T3 battlecruisers and large guns? In 0.5 sec There's always plenty of people wanting in on a whale hunt, contact any of the minerbumping guys they're generally up for it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Paranoid Loyd
1004
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Posted - 2014.07.25 16:05:00 -
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Interesting, makes a threadnaught set of posts arguing that ganking is too easy, then makes a thread showing he can't even calculate how to gank an Orca. Good to know your threadnaught was based on even the most infinitesimal shred of ganking knowledge. 
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Noragli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
68
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Posted - 2014.07.25 16:51:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Interesting, makes a threadnaught arguing that ganking is too easy, then makes a thread showing he can't even calculate how to gank an Orca.
Oh I can calculate it. But my experience is with catalysts and I'm not part of a massive gank alliance like CODE and don't have those numbers of pilots available to me. I don't know the DPS numbers on T3 BC like Talos. I need specific numbers or the gank can fail. |
Paranoid Loyd
1004
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Posted - 2014.07.25 16:57:00 -
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Noragli wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Interesting, makes a threadnaught arguing that ganking is too easy, then makes a thread showing he can't even calculate how to gank an Orca. Oh I can calculate it. But my experience is with catalysts and I'm not part of a massive gank alliance like CODE and don't have those numbers of pilots available to me. I don't know the DPS numbers on T3 BC like Talos. I need specific numbers or the gank can fail.
Have you heard of PYFA or EFT?
No one can just give you numbers, you have to figure them out yourself and understand that they are just theorectical, the RNG is a variable you can only account for by bringing extra DPS. How can we possibly know the fit the Orca is using, the fit you plan on using or the skills of the 6 characters to be used for the gank?
Not so easy is it?
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Noragli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
68
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Posted - 2014.07.25 16:59:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Noragli wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Interesting, makes a threadnaught arguing that ganking is too easy, then makes a thread showing he can't even calculate how to gank an Orca. Oh I can calculate it. But my experience is with catalysts and I'm not part of a massive gank alliance like CODE and don't have those numbers of pilots available to me. I don't know the DPS numbers on T3 BC like Talos. I need specific numbers or the gank can fail. Have you heard of PYFA or EFT? No one can just give you numbers, you have to figure them out yourself, how can we possibly know the fit the Orca is using, the fit you plan on using or the skills of the 6 characters to be used for the gank. Not so easy is it?
Yes actually it is easy. I just need to know the MAX dps numbers on some of the popular dps ships such as Talos or other blaster boats, then I can easily figure it out. |
Leto Thule
Narwhals Ate My Duck.
Narwhals Ate My Duck
916
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Posted - 2014.07.25 17:02:00 -
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Most people use Bhaalgorns for suicide ganking orcas. A fleet of 15 should suffice.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19820
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Posted - 2014.07.25 17:07:00 -
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Noragli wrote:Yes actually it is easy. I just need to know the MAX dps numbers on some of the popular dps ships such as Talos or other blaster boats, then I can easily figure it out. Then do some theory crafting like the rest of us have to, we're not going to do your research for you. Grab some fits from killboards and go to town in EFT, Pyfa or EveHQ
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Paranoid Loyd
1004
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Posted - 2014.07.25 17:13:00 -
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Noragli wrote:Yes actually it is easy. I just need to know the MAX dps numbers on some of the popular dps ships such as Talos or other blaster boats, then I can easily figure it out.
Figuring out max DPS will not tell you what you want to know. With a limited time and variable frame for performing, DPS is an arbitrary number with out more info.
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
200
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Posted - 2014.07.25 17:51:00 -
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Do the math. Throw together some fits, apply the appropriate pilots skills, and see how much damage those fits can put out in ~20 seconds. If it's enough to take down an Orca (plus a bit to spare), then you can do it. Otherwise, you'll need to find alternatives. I hate to say it, but if you're here asking, then chances are you'll need alternatives (or more pilots).
Have you considered trying to get them suspect flagged, or suspect flagging yourself (or one your pilots) in their vicinity so they aggress you? You'd be surprised by how many pilots won't hesitate to pop a flashy T1 frigate or hauler with drones, not realizing that the aggressed pilot can dock up and immediately come at them with a much nastier ship.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
56
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Posted - 2014.07.25 17:54:00 -
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Just safety to red and pull that trigger bra. No need to math, ganking is easy and has zero consequences. I mean everyone can gank defenseless targets in Highsec, lulz.
the Code ALWAYS wins |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
310
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:39:00 -
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Don't forget to account for the gate guns.
If you're in amarr a minimal em/therm tank may get you that 3rd shot in a tornado (which is significant) |
Staten Island
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:00:00 -
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Noragli wrote:What's the most efficient way to suicide gank an Orca in 0.5? I know around 20 catalysts would be the cheapest but I mean with less people.
Assuming the orca has a damage control fitted, which ship type would be best? Tier 3 battlecruisers perhaps? And how many would be required?
Procurer! They are OP..... |
Christopher Mabata
Dominion Tenebrarum
Reverberation Project
37
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Posted - 2014.07.25 21:00:00 -
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Talos can frontload a lot of DPS and can bring it down with fewer people, but most tanked orcas have so much EHP you need more people to bring them down, yes 20 cattys will do it but there are other options:
Talos gang
Brutix gang
Oracle gang
Etc.
In other words no matter how you cut it your going to need quite a few people, awoxing is the solution to that when you dont have access to those kinds of numbers
Is it bad if your friend says "that was a Metaphor" and you say "Meta 4? Get Tech II or faction" ?I love the sound of silent explosions in Space.-á |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3665
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Posted - 2014.07.28 17:00:00 -
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Noragli wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Noragli wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Interesting, makes a threadnaught arguing that ganking is too easy, then makes a thread showing he can't even calculate how to gank an Orca. Oh I can calculate it. But my experience is with catalysts and I'm not part of a massive gank alliance like CODE and don't have those numbers of pilots available to me. I don't know the DPS numbers on T3 BC like Talos. I need specific numbers or the gank can fail. Have you heard of PYFA or EFT? No one can just give you numbers, you have to figure them out yourself, how can we possibly know the fit the Orca is using, the fit you plan on using or the skills of the 6 characters to be used for the gank. Not so easy is it? Yes actually it is easy. I just need to know the MAX dps numbers on some of the popular dps ships such as Talos or other blaster boats, then I can easily figure it out.
you do it
i'll give you one number, because i'm nice. eighteen seconds. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
890
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:47:00 -
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Orca ehp's vary widely. As in 50k ehp-250k ehp. Catalysts output 650-725 dps with most setups (assume 650 unless perfectly skilled with implants). Taloses output 1500-1700 dps.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
3289
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Posted - 2014.07.28 23:30:00 -
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Catalysts if manpower is unlimited, Vexors if manpower is limited but not in short supply, Taloses if manpower is the limited factor and ISK is not an issue. Tornados if you just want to kill the thing in one volley and don't care about price.
Obviously, you need appropriate skills on the gank characters.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content.
www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
Jaxi Wreckful
The Conference Elite
CODE.
70
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Posted - 2014.07.29 11:21:00 -
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That irony tho... |
Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite
CODE.
11
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Posted - 2014.08.17 07:40:00 -
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Noragli wrote:What's the most efficient way to suicide gank an Orca in 0.5? I know around 20 catalysts would be the cheapest but I mean with less people.
Assuming the orca has a damage control fitted, which ship type would be best? Tier 3 battlecruisers perhaps? And how many would be required?
If you are serious and have intel on it, contact us with further details and I'm sure we could provide some additional manpower.
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Tengu Grib
Happy Fun Fun
298
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Posted - 2014.08.18 02:01:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Most people use Bhaalgorns for suicide ganking orcas. A fleet of 15 should suffice.
Confirming Gank Baalghorn best Baalghorn. (Wait did Test just squeak through a bit there?) if the orca is fail fit 10 Baalghorns should be good, 15 for bulkhead and trimark orca with implants and boosts.
Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever.
SolidX > i'm an alt IRL
Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |
Christopher Mabata
Dominion Tenebrarum
Reverberation Project
123
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Posted - 2014.08.18 16:26:00 -
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if you warp your moros to the gate and jump it into the .5 and then siege ontop of the orca you can kill it in 2 shots before CONCORD shows up as well.
Is it bad if your friend says "that was a Metaphor" and you say "Meta 4? Get Tech II or faction" ?I love the sound of silent explosions in Space.-á |
Tengu Grib
Happy Fun Fun
299
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Posted - 2014.08.18 17:01:00 -
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Christopher Mabata wrote:if you warp your moros to the gate and jump it into the .5 and then siege ontop of the orca you can kill it in 2 shots before CONCORD shows up as well.
That is very true, but not as many people have access to capitals. If you do have one though, you can just warp to the gate at zero, even if you bounce you'll be able to jump through before anyone can tackle you.
Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever.
SolidX > i'm an alt IRL
Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |
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