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Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1002
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Posted - 2014.07.26 16:01:00 -
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Otuk Andven wrote:whats your SRP programme? I make a post on our forums. EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |

Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
509
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Posted - 2014.07.26 16:09:00 -
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Otuk Andven wrote: whats your SRP programme?
I start a post on a forum, with a few minor (and easy to track) details, double check to make sure I wasn't flying some completely hurrdurr fit, and hit post. ISK is recieved in relatively short order. Why it needs to be more complicated than this, is anyone's guess. However, for those who do make it obnoxiously difficult: their alliance, their rules. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6285
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Posted - 2014.07.26 17:54:00 -
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Arla Sarain wrote:Nullsec is a renting simulator.
If you like being a tenant - stay. If you don't like to do that - leave.
Binary choice, really. I sure wouldn't want to be Vince Draken's pet.
Back to highsec it is. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |

Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
39
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Posted - 2014.07.26 18:23:00 -
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WH space is fun. Your neighborhood is constantly changing. Always a new neighbor next door to fight. Always a new system to explore. You make your own rules and fly your own way. Get in with a cool group that isnt all about all those nullsec rules, and you'll have plenty of fun. |

Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1302
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Posted - 2014.07.26 18:47:00 -
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Otuk Andven wrote:I've been in Null for 6 months and I'm not sure if I want to give up or not.
I'll admit I've always been a PvEer at heart, I PvP but its not my main goal in the game.
In this time with my corp I've moved from 2 alliances, rented for 3 months and trekked up and down the map at least twice. Been in a few big fleet fights and a good number of small ones, generally died without many kills. Never seen an enemy capital.
While the ISK from PvE is great, a 100m from relic sites for example I just can't enjoy the null sec population.
Its the bureaucracy of it all, providing API for this, join forum/website X and Y, get this authenticated so you can use the channel. And that even before you get into alliance politics with people leaving, drama, constant doctrine changes, com and PvE/industrial people being looked down on. And then there is the bitterness of the enemy, cloaky hot droppers who are left in system 23/7 so you can't do anything with it, constant raids and fighting for the sake of it.
You never feel like anything more than a cog in a machine that doesn't really care about you.
So I have 2 choices either move with the corp to yet another alliance or leave and try something else, either W-space or FW.
W-Space is a thousand times better than Null. People always view Null as the "end game" but really it's W-Space. No TiDi, no supercaps, no hotdropping, good community, you only need to PvE a little bit to be rich, and you don't have to worry about AFK cloakers because you just assume there's someone cloaked 5k off you at all times.
Epic Space Cat |

Lister Dax
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.07.26 19:11:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Sounds like highsec l4s are for you.
Just to emphasise this point.... |

Ashlar Maidstone
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
101
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Posted - 2014.07.26 19:43:00 -
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I been living in Providence now for two months. With our rules I found it to much much better than ever and it's made it so much easier to enjoy being there. I have goals, I have a set of goals to buy specific Amarr ships. I rat, I mine and all the isk I make is mine to save for these ships, fact is I'm closing in on getting my second Apoc next week at the rate I'm going.
The risk and rewards are much better for me to undock and go do what I do, it's watching local, book mark safe spots if need be, it's keeping a sharp eye out for anything that comes in a system or two, it requires dillegence to be on guard at all times.
My corpmates have gone out of their way to help and advise about ship fittings and such. Running combat sites which pays out huge dividends has really made it so much easier and meeting my goals are easily reached.
My friend, this what I experience and take some of the sincere advice you are given, do what you want to do, see what direction you want to go in. Nulsec is really much safer than hisec I can tell you that personally from the experience I gained. I wouldn't trade it for nothing.
Best of luck in your future.
Space Nun!! |

Arcelian
Metentis
97
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Posted - 2014.07.26 19:45:00 -
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Ashlar Maidstone wrote:I been living in Providence now for two months. With our rules I found it to much much better than ever and it's made it so much easier to enjoy being there. I have goals, I have a set of goals to buy specific Amarr ships. I rat, I mine and all the isk I make is mine to save for these ships, fact is I'm closing in on getting my second Apoc next week at the rate I'm going.
The risk and rewards are much better for me to undock and go do what I do, it's watching local, book mark safe spots if need be, it's keeping a sharp eye out for anything that comes in a system or two, it requires dillegence to be on guard at all times.
My corpmates have gone out of their way to help and advise about ship fittings and such. Running combat sites which pays out huge dividends has really made it so much easier and meeting my goals are easily reached.
My friend, this what I experience and take some of the sincere advice you are given, do what you want to do, see what direction you want to go in. Nulsec is really much safer than hisec I can tell you that personally from the experience I gained. I wouldn't trade it for nothing.
Best of luck in your future.
Space Nun!!
What?! No way. |

Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
663
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Posted - 2014.07.26 19:56:00 -
[39] - Quote
Rhes wrote:Otuk Andven wrote:I don't mind APIs and I did like the people in the corp.
What I don't like is the registering on 2 forums that I'll never post on just to be able to register on another website to be able to access the coalition coms and access doctrines. Then have to fill out multiple forms for SRP.
That's what I dislike about null
You poor thing. You had to put in a tiny bit of effort to get free ships. 
They aren't free. You pay with your soul. Seeing it crushed away, sent through a meat grinder.
Soylent Goons! It's made of people!! |

Ryuu Towryk
Reiuji Heavy Industries
24
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Posted - 2014.07.26 20:46:00 -
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Be your own boss. More fun that way. Sure it can make things harder, but meh. Better than dealing with politics in a freaking internet spaceships game.
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1255
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Posted - 2014.07.26 21:07:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:It is a frakking game not a RL, just make a decision and all you can lose is pixels. I have no idea why people insist so much on making their playtime so horrible and not enjoyable. The depth of the game means that it can become a hobby rather than just a game. That results in a greater time commitment and better organisation which is turn results in optimal solutions. Which might not be fun.
I have a lot of respect for the people who run the large alliances and coalitions. But it sure isn't a great advertisement for null: "Want to do it right? Join the bureaucracy! Or rent!" I look forward to seeing null options for people who have neither the time or inclination for that type of play. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |

Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1255
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Posted - 2014.07.26 21:10:00 -
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Otuk Andven wrote:Rhes wrote:Otuk Andven wrote:I don't mind APIs and I did like the people in the corp.
What I don't like is the registering on 2 forums that I'll never post on just to be able to register on another website to be able to access the coalition coms and access doctrines. Then have to fill out multiple forms for SRP.
That's what I dislike about null
You poor thing. You had to put in a tiny bit of effort to get free ships.  ok check to make sure your flying with a valid fleet commander, write down his name, find his SRP ID (which is not written down anywhere in-game). Make sure you were flying a doctrine ship. Find out there is another authentication thing you have to do, get authenticated. Send off application. Then wait and discover SRP is not paying out due to alliance drama, theft and leadership changes. Never matter anyway as I never lost anything larger than a destroyer (at least on a alliance fleet), lost some stuff to importune anti-raiding action with isn't covered by SRP whats your SRP programme? Oh. How do people learn to fit ships if they only ever fly doctrine? Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6287
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Posted - 2014.07.26 21:20:00 -
[43] - Quote
Well, at their peak apparently TEST considers something like a month or so to be a decent backlog of reimbursement ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2313
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Posted - 2014.07.26 22:08:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:It is a frakking game not a RL, just make a decision and all you can lose is pixels. I have no idea why people insist so much on making their playtime so horrible and not enjoyable. The depth of the game means that it can become a hobby rather than just a game. That results in a greater time commitment and better organisation which is turn results in optimal solutions. Which might not be fun. I have a lot of respect for the people who run the large alliances and coalitions. But it sure isn't a great advertisement for null: "Want to do it right? Join the bureaucracy! Or rent!" I look forward to seeing null options for people who have neither the time or inclination for that type of play.
Well, OP doesn't run alliance or coalition, he's a cog in machine as he said himself. So no big deal about packing pair of clean socks and warp through null to nearest hi/low in ceptor. Again, what can go wrong with that? Somebody will feel offended or betrayed or other silly emo over pixels? Even better! Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
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Heinrich Erquilenne
Foundation Cutting-Edge Mordus Angels
7
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Posted - 2014.07.26 23:46:00 -
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Otuk Andven wrote:I've been in Null for 6 months and I'm not sure if I want to give up or not.
I'll admit I've always been a PvEer at heart, I PvP but its not my main goal in the game.
In this time with my corp I've moved from 2 alliances, rented for 3 months and trekked up and down the map at least twice. Been in a few big fleet fights and a good number of small ones, generally died without many kills. Never seen an enemy capital.
While the ISK from PvE is great, a 100m from relic sites for example I just can't enjoy the null sec population.
Its the bureaucracy of it all, providing API for this, join forum/website X and Y, get this authenticated so you can use the channel. And that even before you get into alliance politics with people leaving, drama, constant doctrine changes, com and PvE/industrial people being looked down on. And then there is the bitterness of the enemy, cloaky hot droppers who are left in system 23/7 so you can't do anything with it, constant raids and fighting for the sake of it.
You never feel like anything more than a cog in a machine that doesn't really care about you.
So I have 2 choices either move with the corp to yet another alliance or leave and try something else, either W-space or FW.
Okay so the API thing with multiple websites to register on will happen in most of the nullsec alliances which are here to stay. Now if you enjoy pve why don't you join an alliance living in npc nullsec space? Missionning is safer than farming anomalies for quite obvious reasons. You won't get the shiny officer module you're looking for but LP stores may have an ok profitability and the rewards are around 3-4 times the highsec ones.
Now if the issue is that the doctrines are always changing and people are looking down haulers and people bringing the **** they play with from highsec or god-knows-where, the issue is people in your alliance, not nullsec itself. I don't get the issue about cloaky hot dropper either, just go 3-4 systems away and fly a fast aligning T2 cruiser... This isn't a nullsec issue either. If you want to fly battleships to shoot at red crosses you're indeed in the wrong place.
If the issue is the lack of blue standing with the local inhabitants then again the issue is your alliance. There will be neutrals and reds no matter what you do but a good alliance will do its best to allow people to farm because that's where the money comes from, and the abundance of money greatly reduces drama. Fighting with people who live in the same region is stupid. If your alliance doesn't provide the right standings to avoid unwanted pvp then leave it. PvP is fun only if you're ready for it and not fighting for your life 24/7.  |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6288
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Posted - 2014.07.26 23:55:00 -
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The new Mordus ships are...
wow, pretty goonrushed. amazing, what's the isk per hour on those now ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |

Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
319
|
Posted - 2014.07.27 00:32:00 -
[47] - Quote
Zappity wrote:Otuk Andven wrote:Rhes wrote:Otuk Andven wrote:I don't mind APIs and I did like the people in the corp.
What I don't like is the registering on 2 forums that I'll never post on just to be able to register on another website to be able to access the coalition coms and access doctrines. Then have to fill out multiple forms for SRP.
That's what I dislike about null
You poor thing. You had to put in a tiny bit of effort to get free ships.  ok check to make sure your flying with a valid fleet commander, write down his name, find his SRP ID (which is not written down anywhere in-game). Make sure you were flying a doctrine ship. Find out there is another authentication thing you have to do, get authenticated. Send off application. Then wait and discover SRP is not paying out due to alliance drama, theft and leadership changes. Never matter anyway as I never lost anything larger than a destroyer (at least on a alliance fleet), lost some stuff to importune anti-raiding action with isn't covered by SRP whats your SRP programme? Oh. How do people learn to fit ships if they only ever fly doctrine?
It has been my experience that generally speaking, nobody knows how to fit ships in EvE. |

Otuk Andven
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.07.27 07:49:00 -
[48] - Quote
Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:
Now if the issue is that the doctrines are always changing and people are looking down haulers and people bringing the **** they play with from highsec or god-knows-where, the issue is people in your alliance, not nullsec itself. I don't get the issue about cloaky hot dropper either, just go 3-4 systems away and fly a fast aligning T2 cruiser... This isn't a nullsec issue either. If you want to fly battleships to shoot at red crosses you're indeed in the wrong place.
Problem is all my skills are focused around caldari missile ships and the local rats were weak to EM, the raven was the only ship that isn't bonused to kinetic. So I could never do and ratting so I just did relic sites. Didn't matter because even with the raven with EM mods at 100km off they still melted my shields Also they had the entire pocket camped, the only systems that wasn't where pipeline systems and I wasn't going to risk that. |

J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4195
|
Posted - 2014.07.27 08:18:00 -
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Otuk Andven wrote:I've been in Null for 6 months and I'm not sure if I want to give up or not.
I'll admit I've always been a PvEer at heart, I PvP but its not my main goal in the game.
In this time with my corp I've moved from 2 alliances, rented for 3 months and trekked up and down the map at least twice. Been in a few big fleet fights and a good number of small ones, generally died without many kills. Never seen an enemy capital.
While the ISK from PvE is great, a 100m from relic sites for example I just can't enjoy the null sec population.
Its the bureaucracy of it all, providing API for this, join forum/website X and Y, get this authenticated so you can use the channel. And that even before you get into alliance politics with people leaving, drama, constant doctrine changes, com and PvE/industrial people being looked down on. And then there is the bitterness of the enemy, cloaky hot droppers who are left in system 23/7 so you can't do anything with it, constant raids and fighting for the sake of it.
You never feel like anything more than a cog in a machine that doesn't really care about you.
So I have 2 choices either move with the corp to yet another alliance or leave and try something else, either W-space or FW.
So, you went to null to expect you could PvE on furtile grounds without defending them etc...Really .
And now you are considering W-Space or FW...WHAHAHAHAHA.
Oh, wait, you will be stabbed-plex farmer number 2.493.359 in FW Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5152
|
Posted - 2014.07.27 08:18:00 -
[50] - Quote
Otuk Andven wrote:Its the bureaucracy of it all, providing API for this, join forum/website X and Y, get this authenticated so you can use the channel. And that even before you get into alliance politics with people leaving, drama, constant doctrine changes, com and PvE/industrial people being looked down on. And then there is the bitterness of the enemy, cloaky hot droppers who are left in system 23/7 so you can't do anything with it, constant raids and fighting for the sake of it.
Imagine if Eve went dark and all those alpha nerds were released back into society....
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |

J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4195
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Posted - 2014.07.27 08:20:00 -
[51] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Hi, I used to live in nullsec until I realised it was populated by guys like you, people who want easy ISK from PvE. Shortly after that I decided I didn't need the help of alliances to do pretty much whatever I want in the game. SOV is meaningless, use whatever space you want and most people just dock up in fear (which makes getting kills easy).
Hope this information can be useful to you.
This.
The thing that I think is horribly wrong is all the carebears expecting others to defend their space so that they can bear in safety. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6291
|
Posted - 2014.07.27 08:29:00 -
[52] - Quote
J'Poll wrote:So, you went to null to expect you could PvE on furtile grounds without defending them etc...Really  . And now you are considering W-Space or FW...WHAHAHAHAHA. Oh, wait, you will be stabbed-plex farmer number 2.493.359 in FW  My my, is that what FW is now? ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |

Heinrich Erquilenne
Foundation Cutting-Edge Mordus Angels
7
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Posted - 2014.07.27 08:56:00 -
[53] - Quote
Otuk Andven wrote:Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:
Now if the issue is that the doctrines are always changing and people are looking down haulers and people bringing the **** they play with from highsec or god-knows-where, the issue is people in your alliance, not nullsec itself. I don't get the issue about cloaky hot dropper either, just go 3-4 systems away and fly a fast aligning T2 cruiser... This isn't a nullsec issue either. If you want to fly battleships to shoot at red crosses you're indeed in the wrong place.
Problem is all my skills are focused around caldari missile ships and the local rats were weak to EM, the raven was the only ship that isn't bonused to kinetic. So I could never do and ratting so I just did relic sites. Didn't matter because even with the raven with EM mods at 100km off they still melted my shields Also they had the entire pocket camped, the only systems that wasn't where pipeline systems and I wasn't going to risk that.
Okay, so maybe moving out of your current region would be a good start to improve your nullsec experience if you play caldari ships? Like, moving to a place having rats not doing a lot of EM damage... Since your corp and alliance seem to suck anyway it won't be a great loss.
I haven't skilled missile boats myself yet so I don't know caldari ships well beyond inties but using a raven in nullsec is suicidal, to say the least. Have you considered something like a Cerberus? It seems it has nice range bonuses and many rats won't fire beyond 80km (well except in the odd place you live in). |

Otuk Andven
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.07.27 09:19:00 -
[54] - Quote
Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:
Okay, so maybe moving out of your current region would be a good start to improve your nullsec experience if you play caldari ships? Like, moving to a place having rats not doing a lot of EM damage... Since your corp and alliance seem to suck anyway it won't be a great loss.
I haven't skilled missile boats myself yet so I don't know caldari ships well beyond inties but using a raven in nullsec is suicidal, to say the least. Have you considered something like a Cerberus? It seems it has nice range bonuses and many rats won't fire beyond 80km (well except in the odd place you live in).
I was in HERO in Catch so yeah. No offense HERO I've been trying not to mention you directly.
I've only recently finished training for the Cerberus, but I was too poor to buy one at the time and the situation there was falling apart already. So I've sold a lot of my junk I'd picked up and is trying to get into incursions with my lv5 basilisk. Which I never saw anyone using in null.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6291
|
Posted - 2014.07.27 09:41:00 -
[55] - Quote
Otuk Andven wrote:So I've sold a lot of my junk I'd picked up and is trying to get into incursions with my lv5 basilisk. Which I never saw anyone using in null. Level 5 Basilisk
Yeah, incursion are the way to go. Highsec ones, of course. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |

Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2716
|
Posted - 2014.07.27 13:01:00 -
[56] - Quote
Otuk Andven wrote:[quote=Rhes]
ok check to make sure your flying with a valid fleet commander, write down his name, find his SRP ID (which is not written down anywhere in-game). Make sure you were flying a doctrine ship. Find out there is another authentication thing you have to do, get authenticated. Send off application. Then wait and discover SRP is not paying out due to alliance drama, theft and leadership changes.
Never matter anyway as I never lost anything larger than a destroyer (at least on a alliance fleet), lost some stuff to importune anti-raiding action with isn't covered by SRP
whats your SRP programme?
Fill out form with:
My Name Link to lossmail Text of jabber ping describing fleet Short funny joke (really "comment on death", but i put a joke in there for the SRP guys) Stratop/Peacetime FC/Not-FC
Click submit. 2 or 3 days later get paid.
Threads like this make me so thankful TNT and the CFC. Not sure what sort of godless heathens there are in the rest of space, but glad I found these guys first. If we're not supposed to shoot pods in hisec, why are they filled with meat? |

Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2716
|
Posted - 2014.07.27 13:26:00 -
[57] - Quote
Zappity wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:It is a frakking game not a RL, just make a decision and all you can lose is pixels. I have no idea why people insist so much on making their playtime so horrible and not enjoyable. The depth of the game means that it can become a hobby rather than just a game. That results in a greater time commitment and better organisation which is turn results in optimal solutions. Which might not be fun. I have a lot of respect for the people who run the large alliances and coalitions. But it sure isn't a great advertisement for null: "Want to do it right? Join the bureaucracy! Or rent!" I look forward to seeing null options for people who have neither the time or inclination for that type of play.
They have those options already. NPC nullsec.
I really have no idea how N3/PL does things. But I don't understand all the bureaucracy stuff. When I joined Northstar I spent about 30min signing up for their, TNT, and CFC forums and coms. Then I never had to mess with it again. If I want to make isk I undock my ship and shoot red crosses. If I want to go shoot people, and don't care about the SRP, then I get a couple of buddies together and we go shoot stuff. If I'd like SRP, then I wait for a ping from an FC (they come about every 3 hours in Dek, in Delve sometimes once an hour), then join that fleet and go with 200 other cool guys and kill stuff.
At least for a line monkey like myself, there is no 'bureaucracy". If we're not supposed to shoot pods in hisec, why are they filled with meat? |

Pertuabo Enkidgan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2014.07.27 13:58:00 -
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Airdorn wrote:Just quit and be your own boss.
I quit Snigg / PL 3 years ago and I've been solo ever since. Best thing I ever did.
There's always something new to do.
1. Ninja salvage player battlefield T2 wrecks, loot (fly to big blobs on map)
2. Explore w-space in a good ship like a Stratios and kill C1 - C3 sleepers
3. Kill low-sec belt pirates for the possible Mordu's BPC drop, valuable mining upgrade drop, clone soldier tags, etc. Low-sec has gotten much much better lately.
4. Do some occasional solo pirating
5. Drop siphons on random people's dyspro moon and count your MONEY"S
6, Run ghost sites for great MONEY"S
And on and on.
My life as well for the most part. Its pretty fun, although I'll have to try that siphon moon stuff. Now and then if I want I can head to syndicate and group up with CAS and engage in group pvp for faster pvp access, but the most things I do as well are listed here. |

Hra Neuvosto
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
277
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Posted - 2014.07.27 14:02:00 -
[59] - Quote
FYI you can still do solo pvp, go wormholing or exploring even if you're in a null alliance; so really it just adds another layer of things you can do (large fleet fights) and doesn't restrict much. |

Pertuabo Enkidgan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2014.07.27 14:25:00 -
[60] - Quote
Ashlar Maidstone wrote: Nulsec is really much safer than hisec I can tell you that personally from the experience I gained. I wouldn't trade it for nothing.
I can't really agree with that, now, if you say Providence was more safer than Hisec, I'd say they're about the same. |
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