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Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2014.07.27 13:27:00 -
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I applaud I-RED for this initiative to improve the lives of people otherwise forgotten by the civilized world. |
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2014.07.30 22:58:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:The fact that you are acting quite hostile to a Federal investigation, be it an independent capsuleer or a government agency suggest that there is something to hide.
It might alternately simply suggest that they don't treat hostile governments and their citizens as if they'd deserve to be recieved with a red carpet rolled out for them. I-RED is under no obligation to allow Federal investigations and you demanding tsuch instead of e.g. requesting a tour, is certainly not putting them in the mood to cater to your wishes. Quite understandably so.
Having had a look at some of these colonies, I got the impression that those that held up their sides of the contracts benefitted admirably. These places were not the kind of easily romanticised civilizations the Federation likes to put as feathers on it's hat. They did real work there to improve the situation of the average joe, who previously was at the mercy of criminals. I mean, it's not like there was much of a 'local economy' to destabilize, unless you mean pirate-run extortion rings. Sure, if you ask me I'd say I-RED benefitted as well, but why do you Federals have this idea that humanitarian aid is only okay if the side providing it doesn't make a profit? The best aid is mutually beneficial.
And it's not like I-RED just financed the economical build-up of those previously God-forsaken places, they also provided aid in civilizing these former pirate holes by bringing in help for developing the cultural and ethical foundation necessary for any civilized society to thrive. |
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
367
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Posted - 2014.07.31 03:11:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:From the report, it looks the the "civilizing" was done by the Amarrians. That excuse hasn't ended well for the people being "civilized" in the past.
As you wrote that in response to an Amarrian, it should come with little surprise that I'm not agreeing at all. Especially for those that converted freely it ended quite well. Take, for example, the Khanid. |
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
367
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Posted - 2014.07.31 10:59:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
As you wrote that in response to an Amarrian, it should come with little surprise that I'm not agreeing at all. Especially for those that converted freely it ended quite well. Take, for example, the Khanid.
Emphasis mine. That's the key word here, "freely". Anyone that did not do it freely had a bad time. That said, we should probably have this conversation another time if you wish. I already know where this is going to go and this thread isn't the place for it I'm afraid.
Again, I don't agree, but this is indeed not the place do debate the general merits of forced conversion.
The point is, noone was forced to convert in this specific case: In fact, there were colonies refusing to take in missionaries at all and whose refusal was respected. Only the colony that directly expressed their refusal through violence was excised from the program - not for their refusal, but for that violent reaction. |
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