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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.07.07 08:53:00 -
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Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 07/07/2006 08:53:36 Hello Tux,
I would like a faction typhoon. However, a Republic fleet is pretty bland and to be honest it doesn't spice up the some of the more interesting story lines in EVE. Thus, I have came up with an idea for a neat story line and stats for you to take a look at. Here is the text first I proposed at the Team Minmatar camp just joking around but... I really like the idea so here is the birth of a Supernova!
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Faction : Mordus
Backstory :
During the Caldari-Gallente war several Intaki war generals aquired the schematics for the Typhoon from a technology exchange with the sympathizing Minmatar Republic in efforts to help supress slavery within the State. Friendships within the Intaki and the Mordus Legion were made and the Typhoon schematics were handed over to the Legion as a peace offering.
Over time Mordus tinkered with the familiar aspecs of the typhoon, namely adding an extra launcher and adapting the drone system to meet the Legions' range practices. The the Supernova was born.
Sources say that Minmatar slaves within the Caldari State leaked its existance to the Republic Feet. Although officially denying such revelations, several key members of the Krusual tribe have dispatched operatives to confirm its existance.
Stats:
powergrid output - 10000 MW
lowslots - 8
medslots - 4
hislots - 8
cpuoutput - 700 tf
launcher hardpoints - 5
turret hardpoints - 3
shield capacity - 7000
armor capacity - 6840
drone capacity - 175 m/3
Special ability - 5% Cruise and Siege Launcher RoF per level
Caldari BS bonus : 7.5% drone range and optimal range per level
Minmatar bonus : 5% drone damage mulitplyer per level
Think about a Mordus 10/10 complex rare item drop! Imo... this would be a neat idea to flesh out the growing bitterness between the Republic and the Caldari state.
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Yarek Balear
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Posted - 2006.07.07 08:54:00 -
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Is it just me, or would it be completely bizarre for Caldari skill to give drone bonus ??? They have no history with drones whatsoever.
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Richard Cypher
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Posted - 2006.07.07 08:56:00 -
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Special Ability: 25% Drone Hitpoints, Control Range and Tracking Speed
Caldari Battleship: 5% to launcher r.o.f.
Minmatar Battleship: 5% to missile flight duration
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.07.07 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Yarek Balear Is it just me, or would it be completely bizarre for Caldari skill to give drone bonus ??? They have no history with drones whatsoever.
Because its a Mordus... which have a history with Intaki's... who are drone users.
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.07.07 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Cypher Special Ability: 25% Drone Hitpoints, Control Range and Tracking Speed
Caldari Battleship: 5% to launcher r.o.f.
Minmatar Battleship: 5% to missile flight duration
Special abilities ... maybe
Caldari Battleship ... maybe
Minmatar Battleship ... no... Flight duration isn't a minmatar quality while damage bonuses are. Since its a specialized missile/drone boat and damage bonuses are found on minmatar ships I feel a damage bonus is neccessary. Either that or a 7.5% Shield boost per level which would negate the need for a shield boost amp for active shield tanks.
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Aloysius Knight
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Posted - 2006.07.07 09:10:00 -
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or maybe they could finish boosting the stantard typhoon first?
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.07.07 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Aloysius Knight or maybe they could finish boosting the stantard typhoon first?
With maxed skills for it the phoon is already the best damned BS in the game m8... didn't you get the memo?
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Mirasta
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Posted - 2006.07.07 09:20:00 -
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OMG its an armour tanking raven : D
The caldari bounous could be explained by the fact that the sensor augmentations to control the drones are caldari based.
I like the concept and idea \o/
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.07.07 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Mirasta OMG its an armour tanking raven : D
The caldari bounous could be explained by the fact that the sensor augmentations to control the drones are caldari based.
I like the concept and idea \o/
Not only is it armor tanking... but it could passive shield tank like a ***** too.
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.07.07 09:26:00 -
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Quote:
shield capacity - 7000
armor capacity - 6840
drone capacity - 175 m/3
An 8/4/8 faction BS with more shield than armour.
My eyes are bleeding just reading that. Just because its currently the wrong way around on the Phoon at present doesnt mean you have to do the same on the Faction BS. Other than that I like the bonuses, but I cant see what a Caldari spec would give Drone bonuses.
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Leandro Salazar
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Posted - 2006.07.07 09:30:00 -
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If anything, the Faction Typhoon should be a Thukker or Ammatar Ship imho. I don't think it makes too much sense to give the Mordus a non-Caldari Ship model, especially considering that there are two side factions with minnie ties that do not have a faction ship yet.
If I had to make a grand plan for new faction battleships, I would give Mordus a variant of the new Caldari tier3 brick, Khanid a black Abbadon, Thukker gets new tier3 minnie, Ammatar the Typhoon, Intaki new tier3 Gallente and a rogue drone Dominix. That would finally give every single standard battleship its faction counterpart and also throw a bone to the side factions. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Berrik Radhok
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Posted - 2006.07.07 09:33:00 -
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Special ability - 5% reduced structure per level
Caldari BS bonus : 7.5% to veldspar mined per level
Minmatar bonus : 5% more damage taken from ebil pirates per level
8 turret slots (for mining lasers!) Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes |

Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.07.07 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Twilight Moon
Quote:
shield capacity - 7000
armor capacity - 6840
drone capacity - 175 m/3
An 8/4/8 faction BS with more shield than armour.
My eyes are bleeding just reading that. Just because its currently the wrong way around on the Phoon at present doesnt mean you have to do the same on the Faction BS. Other than that I like the bonuses, but I cant see what a Caldari spec would give Drone bonuses.
Let me explain it to you quite simply. Look at the machariel. Now... lets look at what you can do with 4 mids with 8 lows on a shield tank that has 7000 shields.
2 Dread Gurista Invulns 2 Large Shield Extender IIs ( or 1 and 3 )
3 PDU IIs, 2 Shield power relays, 2 BCU IIs, 1 Internal force field array
is that ssvvy enough for you?
Or how about the good old fashion armor tank... now that it has some CPU to play with you can fit t2 or better hardners on its lows and the 5th missile launcher slot and keep the mids for whatever ( tackling or cap rechargers depending on NPC or PvP )
Now... the drone range bonuses can be swapped around with the special... i don't really care. But after seeing first hand what a typhoon can do with its current shield/armor hp stats the way they are... I don't think it needs changing or it would become too good. This keeps with faction tradition on minmatar hybrids and gives you plenty of options which is also inline with the typhoon's tradition.
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.07.07 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Berrik Radhok
Special ability - 5% reduced structure per level
Caldari BS bonus : 7.5% to veldspar mined per level
Minmatar bonus : 5% more damage taken from ebil pirates per level
8 turret slots (for mining lasers!)
go make some honey troll...
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.07.07 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar If anything, the Faction Typhoon should be a Thukker or Ammatar Ship imho. I don't think it makes too much sense to give the Mordus a non-Caldari Ship model, especially considering that there are two side factions with minnie ties that do not have a faction ship yet.
If I had to make a grand plan for new faction battleships, I would give Mordus a variant of the new Caldari tier3 brick, Khanid a black Abbadon, Thukker gets new tier3 minnie, Ammatar the Typhoon, Intaki new tier3 Gallente and a rogue drone Dominix. That would finally give every single standard battleship its faction counterpart and also throw a bone to the side factions.
Thukker and Khanid don't need faction ships... they have tech 2.
There needs to be some flair to the story lines. Gallente could have gotten the typhoon schematics because of the bond between them and the Minmatar. Some Intaki's sided with Caldari State during the war served with Mordus. They were in Caldari space for some unknowned amount of time. Mordus raven is pretty worthless for new content especially since there are 2 raven faction ships, the CNR and Rattlesnake. We don't need another and teir 3 is wishy washy at best.
Lets use our imaginations a bit and ask the DEVs to build lore into our ships.
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Aramendel
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Posted - 2006.07.07 09:53:00 -
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T2 ships do not count there since last time I checked you couln't get them as faction agent rewards. You know, like faction ships. And a minnie ship from the mordus really does not fit. Might as well get an amarr/gallente faction ship from the sisters of eve. It makes no sense lorewise.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.07.07 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: HippoKing on 07/07/2006 10:01:43 Ammatar do need faction ships, which would (obviously) be Minmatar/Amarr. The Syndicate needs something too: Gallente primary, not sure on secondary. Thukker also need faction ships: Minmatar primary, not sure on secondary. Khanid should exist: Amarr/Caldari Mordus should exists: Caldari/Gallente
Maybe SOE/ORE ships, but no idea what to do with those. Combat ships wouldn't make sense.
edit: maybe make the Syndicate Gallente/Amarr and Thukker as Minmatar/Caldari, as those are the pairings currently missing.
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McScruff
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Posted - 2006.07.07 09:59:00 -
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Rattle Snake is Scorpion based
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.07.07 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: McScruff Rattle Snake is Scorpion based
not really, its a raven. Don't let the model fool you.
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McScruff
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Posted - 2006.07.07 10:02:00 -
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i could see SoE getting some sort of EW boat.
Perhaps a faction version of the Celestis, a reaserch vessal modified to act in a defencive role after a number of attacks on their convoy's maybe?
ORE perhaps a prototype Frigate built to defend their convoys? ______________________________________
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Leandro Salazar
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Posted - 2006.07.07 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Thukker and Khanid don't need faction ships... they have tech 2.
In that case lets get rid of all the Navy ships coz their factions already got T2 :P
Originally by: Kaylana Syi Lets use our imaginations a bit and ask the DEVs to build lore into our ships.
Yes, but why use far fetched lore like yours when there is still a ton of much more reasonable stuff to be done? Don't go overboard with imagination at the detriment of reason. That very thing is what usually guarantees bad sequels in movies/games :/ --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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McScruff
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Posted - 2006.07.07 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: McScruff Rattle Snake is Scorpion based
not really, its a raven. Don't let the model fool you.
Well yeh there is that.
But looks are what counts.
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.07.07 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel T2 ships do not count there since last time I checked you couln't get them as faction agent rewards. You know, like faction ships. And a minnie ship from the mordus really does not fit. Might as well get an amarr/gallente faction ship from the sisters of eve. It makes no sense lorewise.
Hmm... guess you missed the whole point of another thread. Let me explain... I made up the new lore in an attempt to make it work. I explained to you why it could fit not that it was factual. I don't want a stupid Republic Fleet typhoon and t2 ships like thukker and khanid do not fit into getting a faction ship since they belong to the alpha faction.
Do you even want me to explain why I don't want a Republic Fleet typhoon? Because it will never be good enough to justify flying it into PvP over the standard one for the cost it will incur. It would never be different enough. Give it an extra launcher and it becomes the new mission runner ship and not much more. Give it another turret point and it becomes nothing but what extra hp it garners from the obligitory faction conversion.
The Supernova does something different. If you have the balls to take it into player combat it has the stats to allow the pilot to play eve differently.
Don't try to pass off an honest attempt at weaving story lines into a simple case of Deus ex machina.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.07.07 10:22:00 -
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Edited by: HippoKing on 07/07/2006 10:22:15
Originally by: Kaylana Syi thukker and khanid do not fit into getting a faction ship since they belong to the alpha faction.
yes they do, they are their own factions, and they are unable to give out the faction ships from their respective alpha factions. They need ships of their own.
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.07.07 10:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 07/07/2006 10:24:02
Originally by: Leandro Salazar Yes, but why use far fetched lore like yours when there is still a ton of much more reasonable stuff to be done? Don't go overboard with imagination at the detriment of reason. That very thing is what usually guarantees bad sequels in movies/games :/
Oh? You mean like Star Wars Episode 6 staring Leandro Salazar?
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Chakademus
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Posted - 2006.07.07 10:25:00 -
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Ok im bored and can play cause im at work so i did a little reading and your story for the creation of the SuperNova ain't hope you don't mind a little reworking. (I'm not good outside minmatar history)
During the Caldari Galente war The Intaki Generals stole whole computer systems and memory banks as they fled the galante empire, when they arived in Caldari space there were very few who would deal with them and they were forced to sell valuable trade and military secrets from the vast memory banks they brought with them to the caldari space.
However some of the secrets they had in these memorybanks contained documents not even they would sell. One such secret was a developement by the minmatar republic fleet in cooperation with the Galante CreoDron corporation to supply typhoon battleships with a more advanced drone handling system than the minmatar could manufacture themselves.
These Intaki had left The Galente Empire with the only existing copy of the bpo and the scientist who created it in secrecy were killed in the early stages of the war thanks to the military secrets sold by the Intaki.
These Intaki grew rich from the sale of military secrets to the caldari and formed the Mordu's legion after general Mordu lead them away from persecution in Galente and Caldari Space and they secretly began construction of these BS that would garentee them freedom from their enermies and tool for them to strike back at the empires with.
(I'm bored at work and so i talk to much) Anyway this was a rework all ideas were Kaylana and i was just trying to make it fit better with some of the more obvious backstory.
But this means instead of the wierd caldari Bs bonus you could make it galente BS bonus which i think would make a bit more sense when controlling drones and giving them thier bonus.(Creodrons profile say the specialise in drone manufacturing.)
And for the minmatar bonus you could make it a damage bonus as we minmatar like to fit as many weapons on a ship as we can
Ship bonus would have to be Something like RoF for missiles a mordus adjustment maybe
My alts getting better know then my main character lol, Maybe 1 day i shall reveal my true identity
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.07.07 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing Edited by: HippoKing on 07/07/2006 10:22:15
Originally by: Kaylana Syi thukker and khanid do not fit into getting a faction ship since they belong to the alpha faction.
yes they do, they are their own factions, and they are unable to give out the faction ships from their respective alpha factions. They need ships of their own.
So, lets just make a new model for all the factions, damn the typhoon and domi to fleet and federation issue, and wait until 2008? No thanks. Mordus either should get something special or not at all... another raven, which is traditionally what it would be, is simply out of the question.
I would simply like the devs to start getting their creative juices flowing and add some content behind the lore. Remember the Guristas invading Crielere and soon after they added the Prototype cloaks? That, even if implementation was off, was quality cohesion between storyline and code cohesion.
Just my 0.02isk worth anyhoo
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.07.07 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Chakademus Ok im bored and can play cause im at work so i did a little reading and your story for the creation of the SuperNova ain't hope you don't mind a little reworking. (I'm not good outside minmatar history)
During the Caldari Galente war The Intaki Generals stole whole computer systems and memory banks as they fled the galante empire, when they arived in Caldari space there were very few who would deal with them and they were forced to sell valuable trade and military secrets from the vast memory banks they brought with them to the caldari space.
However some of the secrets they had in these memorybanks contained documents not even they would sell. One such secret was a developement by the minmatar republic fleet in cooperation with the Galante CreoDron corporation to supply typhoon battleships with a more advanced drone handling system than the minmatar could manufacture themselves.
These Intaki had left The Galente Empire with the only existing copy of the bpo and the scientist who created it in secrecy were killed in the early stages of the war thanks to the military secrets sold by the Intaki.
These Intaki grew rich from the sale of military secrets to the caldari and formed the Mordu's legion after general Mordu lead them away from persecution in Galente and Caldari Space and they secretly began construction of these BS that would garentee them freedom from their enermies and tool for them to strike back at the empires with.
(I'm bored at work and so i talk to much) Anyway this was a rework all ideas were Kaylana and i was just trying to make it fit better with some of the more obvious backstory.
But this means instead of the wierd caldari Bs bonus you could make it galente BS bonus which i think would make a bit more sense when controlling drones and giving them thier bonus.(Creodrons profile say the specialise in drone manufacturing.)
And for the minmatar bonus you could make it a damage bonus as we minmatar like to fit as many weapons on a ship as we can
Ship bonus would have to be Something like RoF for missiles a mordus adjustment maybe
My alts getting better know then my main character lol, Maybe 1 day i shall reveal my true identity
Now there is a good story and the supernova is appeased.
ps... post with your main
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Aramendel
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Posted - 2006.07.07 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi ..Don't try to pass off an honest attempt at weaving story lines into a simple case of Deus ex machina.
There is one thing to make a new storyline, another to make it plausible.
When you have something which makes no sense it does not add immersion but breaks it - and a mordus ship with a minni hull is exactly such a thing. Mordus is using so far *only* caldari hulls. And is a cladari & amarr friendly factions (you get + mordus rep for caldari and amarr important missions). "but..but..it's creative" is no excuse to ignore existing game lore. I'm sure I could make an good background story about amarr and minnie freedom fighters fighting against the evil gallente fascist regime for a sisters of eve amarr/minnie ship, but it wouldn't really fit into the game background.
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BlackHawk177
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Posted - 2006.07.07 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi Mordus either should get something special or not at all... another raven, which is traditionally what it would be, is simply out of the question.
How is it out of the question?! Just because you feel there's already enough Faction Raven models doesn't mean it's out of the question. The Megathron has 3 Faction versions, why should the Raven be limited to just 2 along with the Apocalypse and Tempest?
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