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Wenda M'mbala Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.07.31 05:43:00 - [1] - Quote I don't know much about Null as I've always lived in WH and hi-sec,and I don't know much about renting either,but recently I've found myself wanting to try it out.However I'd like to do it on my own,with a one man corp and 3 accounts.So the big question is,if it is doable,but more specifically: - Is it too much logistics for a single person? - Are small corps being abused (camped) by gankers,because they're easy prey. - Is it easy for a single person to cover the renting fees and still have enough ISK to PLEX at least one account and be able to lose some ships?. I would be doing pretty much everything the system has to offer.(-0.1 sec status). EDIT: the renting cost +pos cost would between 1.5b -2.5b.
Alina Emily The Needs Of The Few The Needs Of The Few Many 1	Posted - 2014.07.31 06:01:00 - [2] - Quote Wenda M'mbala wrote: I don't know much about Null as I've always lived in WH and hi-sec,and I don't know much about renting either,but recently I've found myself wanting to try it out.However I'd like to do it on my own,with a one man corp and 3 accounts.So the big question is,if it is doable,but more specifically: - Is it too much logistics for a single person? - Are small corps being abused (camped) by gankers,because they're easy prey. - Is it easy for a single person to cover the renting fees and still have enough ISK to PLEX at least one account and be able to lose some ships?. I would be doing pretty much everything the system has to offer.(-0.1 sec status). EDIT: the renting cost +pos cost would between 1.5b -2.5b. I am drinking. 1) No, if you are a serious solo player, it can be done, hands down, and you will enjoy it very much, for a day or two. 2) You are a small corp. Your role IS to be abused, ganked, camped, trolled and beaten down like a red headed step child. 3) No, you can not cover the fees unless you play 8-10 hours erryday, with decent SP toons that can run sites etc. Bless your heart for the thought. You can try it, and make some progress, but you will fail. Good Luck!
Kelaian Stareine Alpha Strategy The Unthinkables 0	Posted - 2014.07.31 06:02:00 - [3] - Quote I would not suggest renting as a one man corp. I don't know much about how the rental empires are managed or if they are open to such small corps, but it simply will not be worth it for you on an isk level to rent a nulsec system. You would be better off doing something else if you are looking at it from an isk standpoint. And yes, you could get targeted by cloaky campers. They specifically look to camp renters because they are limited to a small area. Renters have the choice of renting or being evicted, so they are more likely to pay PASTA or whoever else is doing the cloaky camping a fee so they can go on with their ratting.
TharOkha 0asis Group 884	Posted - 2014.07.31 06:09:00 - [4] - Quote Just ninja rat / anomaly / plex nullsec. No need to rent space unless you want to build Supers.. .
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 8326	Posted - 2014.07.31 06:14:00 - [5] - Quote You will ruin anything you enjoy about the game trying to make a renters quota by yourself. I suggest you just get yourself your ships and fits, and solo roam through that area, it can be done much more easily than renting by yourself. Although I suggest a ship with a cloaking device. Helps with not getting gakked by the locals. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Clean Up Local 2014.-á
Hicksimus Hyperion Corporation 242	Posted - 2014.07.31 06:15:00 - [6] - Quote It's a lot of work as a 1-man corp. If you are a student, part-time employed and not in a relationship, yeah it's feasible. Ex. An Ishtar in a -0.37 system with Guristas rats can do about 90 million isk income per hour once you grind to milspec 5 which will take a few days of really dedicated solo ratting. If rent is ~3bil and you need a tower to live out of you'll need to rat for about 12 hours per week to break even. You'd want a ship with a jump drive to deliver fuel and all that fun stuff as well. Do you have it?
Kelaian Stareine Alpha Strategy The Unthinkables 0	Posted - 2014.07.31 06:18:00 - [7] - Quote If you have 2-3 toons get all of them in remote repping tengus and steal DED sites from the local renters. But be warned, renters will get mad enough at their blues for running DED sites that the renters themselves don't even have the capability to run, so they will be even more angry with a neutral doing their DED sites. You will make enough isk to PLEX your accounts easily, just try to keep a low profile and do DED sites in quieter pockets. Doing this also will be logistically challenging because you can't put the loot in a station when you are done, its up to you to get it to jita or wherever to sell it.
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 3309	Posted - 2014.07.31 06:40:00 - [8] - Quote I highly recommend you put those wormhole skills to use. Fly to null in an interceptor or interdiction nullified T3, then probe around until you find a wormhole. Probe down a chain to highsec (if it's covered in hostiles, look for another). Then, use that wormhole chain to get a reasonably priced PVE ship out to null and start stealing those anomolies and sites. Finally, when done, refit in space to a cloak, scout your WH chain again with your off-account alt, and if it is still safe, go back to empire. No need to fund PL or Goons' next Titan purchase. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 1130	Posted - 2014.07.31 06:53:00 - [9] - Quote Kelaian Stareine wrote: I would not suggest renting as a one man corp. I don't know much about how the rental empires are managed or if they are open to such small corps, but it simply will not be worth it for you on an isk level to rent a nulsec system. You would be better off doing something else if you are looking at it from an isk standpoint. And yes, you could get targeted by cloaky campers. They specifically look to camp renters because they are limited to a small area. Renters have the choice of renting or being evicted, so they are more likely to pay PASTA or whoever else is doing the cloaky camping a fee so they can go on with their ratting. When you say you don't know about how rental empires are managed, you should probably have stopped there. I rent a gurista -0.17 system solo, and have done so for 10 months. IMO solo is the preferred arrangement. There is ~3b in signature spawns per month, all of which can be sucked down at ~200m/hr - null works fine until you concentrate pilots into few systems, after which people have to rat for income, because the sigs run out. Whilst delve and pb will have more activity, nobody is interested in camping a solo pilot who is on for a couple of hours per day, if they are in your system, they'll be there for your content - which is ultimately the cause of the various flavours of fights and standoffs that are a fun part of living in null.
Tamas Bekker The Scope Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2014.07.31 07:03:00 - [10] - Quote Im tinkering with the idea of moving solo down to npc null sec (where i assume i wouldnt have to rent because ive been here a few days and its dead) . Valar Morghulis, Valar Dohaeris

Kelaian Stareine Alpha Strategy The Unthinkables 1	Posted - 2014.07.31 07:04:00 - [11] - Quote Tauranon wrote: Kelaian Stareine wrote: I would not suggest renting as a one man corp. I don't know much about how the rental empires are managed or if they are open to such small corps, but it simply will not be worth it for you on an isk level to rent a nulsec system. You would be better off doing something else if you are looking at it from an isk standpoint. And yes, you could get targeted by cloaky campers. They specifically look to camp renters because they are limited to a small area. Renters have the choice of renting or being evicted, so they are more likely to pay PASTA or whoever else is doing the cloaky camping a fee so they can go on with their ratting. When you say you don't know about how rental empires are managed, you should probably have stopped there. I rent a gurista -0.17 system solo, and have done so for 10 months. IMO solo is the preferred arrangement. There is ~3b in signature spawns per month, all of which can be sucked down at ~200m/hr - null works fine until you concentrate pilots into few systems, after which people have to rat for income, because the sigs run out. Whilst delve and pb will have more activity, nobody is interested in camping a solo pilot who is on for a couple of hours per day, if they are in your system, they'll be there for your content - which is ultimately the cause of the various flavours of fights and standoffs that are a fun part of living in null. 3b a month in DED sites, when your rent and pos fuel is going to be at least half that, if not up to the full amount due to the tarded greater western renter rules/terms. It is pretty silly to pay that much a month so you can log in every day and pray to CCP that a combat DED is going to spawn in your system, when you can just as easily ninja DED sites from empty systems or systems where renter bears are just going to perma dock up when they see a non blue in local.
Grainsalt 6-10s Northern Associates. 198	Posted - 2014.07.31 07:10:00 - [12] - Quote It can be easily done.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 3958	Posted - 2014.07.31 07:12:00 - [13] - Quote Just join the CFC. Then you can rat. There will sometimes be PvP but consider those times your rent. They will be considerably less than 8-10 hours a day, and the rest of the time you can become rich and awesome. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Kelaian Stareine Alpha Strategy The Unthinkables 1	Posted - 2014.07.31 07:32:00 - [14] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Just join the CFC. Then you can rat. There will sometimes be PvP but consider those times your rent. They will be considerably less than 8-10 hours a day, and the rest of the time you can become rich and awesome. Lucas more or less has the idea. If you don't fleet up, you get **** on as a renter. Just fleet up and pvp when you are needed to avoid the heavy price of being a renter.
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 1130	Posted - 2014.07.31 07:38:00 - [15] - Quote Kelaian Stareine wrote: Tauranon wrote: Kelaian Stareine wrote: I would not suggest renting as a one man corp. I don't know much about how the rental empires are managed or if they are open to such small corps, but it simply will not be worth it for you on an isk level to rent a nulsec system. You would be better off doing something else if you are looking at it from an isk standpoint. And yes, you could get targeted by cloaky campers. They specifically look to camp renters because they are limited to a small area. Renters have the choice of renting or being evicted, so they are more likely to pay PASTA or whoever else is doing the cloaky camping a fee so they can go on with their ratting. When you say you don't know about how rental empires are managed, you should probably have stopped there. I rent a gurista -0.17 system solo, and have done so for 10 months. IMO solo is the preferred arrangement. There is ~3b in signature spawns per month, all of which can be sucked down at ~200m/hr - null works fine until you concentrate pilots into few systems, after which people have to rat for income, because the sigs run out. Whilst delve and pb will have more activity, nobody is interested in camping a solo pilot who is on for a couple of hours per day, if they are in your system, they'll be there for your content - which is ultimately the cause of the various flavours of fights and standoffs that are a fun part of living in null. 3b a month in DED sites, when your rent and pos fuel is going to be at least half that, if not up to the full amount due to the tarded greater western renter rules/terms. It is pretty silly to pay that much a month so you can log in every day and pray to CCP that a combat DED is going to spawn in your system, when you can just as easily ninja DED sites from empty systems or systems where renter bears are just going to perma dock up when they see a non blue in local. There is exactly 1 regular content ninja I see, he loses 2 months of 'rent' every time he loses a tengu and he bases out of geminate renter space anyway because of docking rights, allies, jump freighter services, intel etc. Most t3s are in fact not very random, they are heavy tackle and cyno fitted, and called on Intel as such My pos bill and part of my rent is paid for by goo, and if nothing spawns then I gun probe anomolies. FYI it's 75m an hour even if I find nothing, and even if it wasn't on that basis, having a pvp hull on demand in the pos in a stationless system is worth the fuel bill in fun. I see a whole of yapping about ninjas but so few actual ninja pilots that I'd suggest people actually don't want to put up with some of crap associated with it, you get good times and streaks of wtf do I do this for. I've effectively been deployed since April, no overhead tasks of more than a few minutes in that time, and I've not lost a plex boat at all. There are many people who just do not ever want to lose such a ship, which is probably another reason that's it's not as popular as you would expect.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6344	Posted - 2014.07.31 07:43:00 - [16] - Quote Grr gon Grr nullsec Blue donut, etc.... ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
OldWolf69 Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance 143	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:27:00 - [17] - Quote If you a 20 char ishboxer, yeah, it's worth. Unless someone finds you.
Gordin Brott CTRL-Q Iron Oxide. 18	Posted - 2014.07.31 11:28:00 - [18] - Quote Find a nice, empty part of nullsec by checking the pilots in space setting on the starmap, and go there. There are areas of null where you won't see another pilot for 6 jumps or more. Just slip something like a Stratios or cloaky Tengu in through the back (wormhole) door. If somebody decides to interfere, just go somewhere else. 90% of nullsec is empty and unexploited.
Hevymetal Eve Defence Force Cult of War 339	Posted - 2014.07.31 12:54:00 - [19] - Quote TharOkha wrote: Just ninja rat / anomaly / plex nullsec. No need to rent space unless you want to build Supers.. This A one man corp has a snowballs chance in hell of defending a system they may rent. Correct me if I am wrong here, but I know of no alliance rental that covers you defense, upkeep or logistics. You "could" hire a merc corp for protection if needed, but now you are no longer solo and in debt for several billion isk a month for rental fees and protection.
Calvin Recline Hedion University Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2014.07.31 13:49:00 - [20] - Quote I solo rent and make about 600m a day for 1.5~ hrs work on 2 accounts. On top of that I have 4 total accounts that each make about 1.2-1.3b on PI materials, and then I get about 600m from moon goo. If you don't even account for isk I make daily when I pve for 1-1.5 hrs... the PI + MoonGoo yield 5.3b isk alone. That pays rent + an extra 2bil left over. I make about 12bil isk a month playing 1-1.5hrs of pve over the course of 20 days.. (I don't really play on weekends because family and such. The blue donut is easily the safest part of EvE.. isk is far more consistent than anywhere in high sec, provided you know how to avoid roams and just do something else when they come around.

Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 7417	Posted - 2014.07.31 14:08:00 - [21] - Quote Here you have 2 posters who solo rent vs people who can't be arsed and thus think it's a bad idea. If the intention is to solo rent, then I'd listen to the 2 guys who solo rent If I were you OP. That being said, it does seem like :effort: . For me it is actully easier to be a part of a sov holding alliance and rat in a designated ratting system, or ninja rat/plex in my Proteus (Drones are imo a must for ninja ratting, they need no ammo and are easily replaced from nearby npc null/low sec stations if you somehow manage to lose all of them).
Zaxix Long Jump. 409	Posted - 2014.07.31 14:31:00 - [22] - Quote Kelaian Stareine wrote: I would not suggest renting as a one man corp. I don't know much about how the rental empires are managed or if they are open to such small corps Then why are you replying to this thread? Bokononist -á
Calvin Recline Hedion University Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2014.07.31 14:41:00 - [23] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Here you have 2 posters who solo rent vs people who can't be arsed and thus think it's a bad idea. If the intention is to solo rent, then I'd listen to the 2 guys who solo rent If I were you OP. That being said, it does seem like :effort: . For me it is actully easier to be a part of a sov holding alliance and rat in a designated ratting system, or ninja rat/plex in my Proteus (Drones are imo a must for ninja ratting, they need no ammo and are easily replaced from nearby npc null/low sec stations if you somehow manage to lose all of them). I did the sov thing; i hated bashing structures. and waiting at a titan for 2 hrs only to have op called off. Then when I wanted to pve I had to fight over ded's and anoms with other members - it sucked (for me) FW was fun, but the crowd there is often... difficult to et along with with corps eating other corps and side flopping. My next foray will be in to WH's but in the meantime renting while waiting for scanning skills to get done across 6 pilots is a pretty decent use of my time.
Qalix Four Pillars Brothers of Tangra 290	Posted - 2014.07.31 15:01:00 - [24] - Quote There seems to be a focus on ratting. When you rent a system, everything in it is yours except for R64/32/and some 16s. I don't rent solo; I'm in a corp with others (but still not that many people total). However, with just 2 characters with 4s in PI skills, you can pull in 1 billion in basic PI without any trouble. With more characters and/or better skills, that number goes up fast. If you're in a solo corp, you can bring hordes of cheap alts if you'd like to pump things up. Depending on what you do and what kind of scenario you're running, you can always put low taxes and collect ISK from neighbors who want to a bit of PI in your system. All the moons are yours as well, so you can harvest moon goo if any is present (i highly recommend you send in a scanning alt prior to making a final committment). Of course the ratting (whatever its form) is constant and consistent. If you're solo, you don't actually need a full on mil index and all that. Just two hordes/sanctums will allow you to bounce back and forth. If you mine, that's an option too. If you're doing something else and you want a minimum attention activity, switch over from ratting to mining. You can build things at POS, as well as compression/refine. If you have a station (which seems unlikely given the expense, still though...), you have lots of options. Not least of which is running a market from your station. This is an often overlooked aspect of rental space activity. In far flung places, people would love to be able to buy locally rather than take a JF 3 or 4 hops back to hisec (fuel costs just went up too!). In BoT space, you can dock at any station and put stuff up on the market. You don't even need to run out of your own statoin. Just some thoughts. Totally doable. Everything will depend on the exact system you rent though. The more goodies it holds (planets, moons, etc) the higher the price.
Calvin Recline Hedion University Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2014.07.31 15:22:00 - [25] - Quote Qalix wrote: Just some thoughts. Totally doable. Everything will depend on the exact system you rent though. The more goodies it holds (planets, moons, etc) the higher the price. ^ this is key. Take a neut that can scan moons; see what systems are available to rent, and see what moons they have in them. This can really make or break the 'ease' of renting. Pay attention to the planets as well as PI alts can effectively pay the rent themselves.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6346	Posted - 2014.07.31 15:45:00 - [26] - Quote Qalix wrote: In far flung places, people would love to be able to buy locally rather than take a JF 3 or 4 hops back to hisec (fuel costs just went up too!). In BoT space, you can dock at any station and put stuff up on the market. You don't even need to run out of your own statoin. Eh. Our regions have hub stations where JF services will run for you. These are the same JF guys who courier for the CFC alliances living nearby. CCP definitely made it easier to live as a miner in a system without a station. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Qalix Four Pillars Brothers of Tangra 290	Posted - 2014.07.31 15:49:00 - [27] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Qalix wrote: In far flung places, people would love to be able to buy locally rather than take a JF 3 or 4 hops back to hisec (fuel costs just went up too!). In BoT space, you can dock at any station and put stuff up on the market. You don't even need to run out of your own statoin. Eh. Our regions have hub stations where JF services will run for you. These are the same JF guys who courier for the CFC alliances living nearby. CCP definitely made it easier to live as a miner in a system without a station. BoT also has JF services that operate through hubs. Like everything, though, there is a charge and there is a wait. Given a choice between a quick 5 jump trip to the "store" and a god-knows-how-long wait for a courier, many people prefer the short trip.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6346	Posted - 2014.07.31 16:41:00 - [28] - Quote I doubt this person with 3 accounts is running a personal JF, so a service may be more relevant to their logistical needs. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Qalix Four Pillars Brothers of Tangra 290	Posted - 2014.07.31 16:47:00 - [29] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: I doubt this person with 3 accounts is running a personal JF, so a service may be more relevant to their logistical needs. My original point was about setting up a market in rental space, not his particular hauling needs. BTW 3 accounts is more than enough to run your own logistics. BoT allows the use of other renter's cyno towers, so you might get away with even less.
Calvin Recline Hedion University Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2014.07.31 17:17:00 - [30] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: I doubt this person with 3 accounts is running a personal JF, so a service may be more relevant to their logistical needs. I use my own JF =./

Malcolm Shinhwa Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team 2737	Posted - 2014.07.31 18:50:00 - [31] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Just join the CFC. Then you can rat. There will sometimes be PvP but consider those times your rent. They will be considerably less than 8-10 hours a day, and the rest of the time you can become rich and awesome. That's just what I did. Now I'm rich. Still not awesome though. OP: Since you are comfortable in wormholes, you could get a nice hole, even a C1 since you don't really care about the wormhole itself, with a nullsec static. Then every day, just jump out and rat it up. The nice thing is you get bounties for killing the rats. You don't have to salvage the rats and haul to Jita to get paid. And with the wh you have a place to retreat to as well as a new ns system every day. But you should also just consider joining one of the established ns alliances. I've had nothing but fun in my 2 months since joining the CFC. If we're not supposed to shoot pods in hisec, why are they filled with meat?
Malcolm Shinhwa Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team 2738	Posted - 2014.07.31 19:01:00 - [32] - Quote Calvin Recline wrote: I did the sov thing; i hated bashing structures. and waiting at a titan for 2 hrs only to have op called off. Then when I wanted to pve I had to fight over ded's and anoms with other members - it sucked (for me) I see posts like this all the time and they just make me more thankful for Tactical Narcotics Team and my corp Northstar Cabal. I fly in fleets when I want to fly in fleets. I rat when I want to rat. If my fav ratting system is a little full (and it only is during EUTZ), then I take a jump bridge or a gate to the next system and find plenty of Guristas to kill. I know I'm supposed to be a goon pet and supposed to feel bad about how I'm forced to bash structures in bombless bombers. But instead I get in awesome fleets with usually cool FCs and we kill stuff. I've been on a few structure bashes in a Baltec fleet and once we got there to chase off the bad guys, a zillion capitals cyno in and blap the tower. And even those fleets no one said I had to attend. I could have just sat in an isktar and ratted if I'd like. Luckily, I think ratting is boring and blowing up our pretend enemies for made up reasons is way more fun. So sorry about all those joes in bad alliances and corps. Sure wish you could be in CFC/TNT/NSC because we're having a great time doing whatever the hell we want. If we're not supposed to shoot pods in hisec, why are they filled with meat?
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels 1950	Posted - 2014.07.31 19:05:00 - [33] - Quote Malcolm Shinhwa wrote: Calvin Recline wrote: I did the sov thing; i hated bashing structures. and waiting at a titan for 2 hrs only to have op called off. Then when I wanted to pve I had to fight over ded's and anoms with other members - it sucked (for me) I see posts like this all the time and they just make me more thankful for Tactical Narcotics Team and my corp Northstar Cabal. I fly in fleets when I want to fly in fleets. I rat when I want to rat. If my fav ratting system is a little full (and it only is during EUTZ), then I take a jump bridge or a gate to the next system and find plenty of Guristas to kill. I know I'm supposed to be a goon pet and supposed to feel bad about how I'm forced to bash structures in bombless bombers. But instead I get in awesome fleets with usually cool FCs and we kill stuff. I've been on a few structure bashes in a Baltec fleet and once we got there to chase off the bad guys, a zillion capitals cyno in and blap the tower. And even those fleets no one said I had to attend. I could have just sat in an isktar and ratted if I'd like. Luckily, I think ratting is boring and blowing up our pretend enemies for made up reasons is way more fun. So sorry about all those joes in bad alliances and corps. Sure wish you could be in CFC/TNT/NSC because we're having a great time doing whatever the hell we want. Pap link?
Gallowmere Rorschach Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation 546	Posted - 2014.07.31 19:21:00 - [34] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: Malcolm Shinhwa wrote: I see posts like this all the time and they just make me more thankful for Tactical Narcotics Team and my corp Northstar Cabal. I fly in fleets when I want to fly in fleets. I rat when I want to rat. If my fav ratting system is a little full (and it only is during EUTZ), then I take a jump bridge or a gate to the next system and find plenty of Guristas to kill. I know I'm supposed to be a goon pet and supposed to feel bad about how I'm forced to bash structures in bombless bombers. But instead I get in awesome fleets with usually cool FCs and we kill stuff. I've been on a few structure bashes in a Baltec fleet and once we got there to chase off the bad guys, a zillion capitals cyno in and blap the tower. And even those fleets no one said I had to attend. I could have just sat in an isktar and ratted if I'd like. Luckily, I think ratting is boring and blowing up our pretend enemies for made up reasons is way more fun. So sorry about all those joes in bad alliances and corps. Sure wish you could be in CFC/TNT/NSC because we're having a great time doing whatever the hell we want. Pap link? Way to completely miss the point my carbohydrate poisoned friend. Malcolm: as a new guy to the CFC myself, I can definitely agree with your statements. The one difference with my corp (so far as I can tell), is that if you joined the corp as a PvP pilot as I did, you're expected to be on deployments, and join all of the fleets you can. That being said, I have a feeling that if I'd have joined as anything other than a pvp pilot, they wouldn't give a rat's ass if I shot another ship or not. One question though: when does this rich factor kick in? I've been here a month, and can just barely afford a couple of Dreads. #firstworldproblems
Budan Kado School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.07.31 20:21:00 - [35] - Quote Wenda M'mbala wrote: I don't know much about Null as I've always lived in WH and hi-sec,and I don't know much about renting either,but recently I've found myself wanting to try it out.However I'd like to do it on my own,with a one man corp and 3 accounts.So the big question is,if it is doable,but more specifically: - Is it too much logistics for a single person? - Are small corps being abused (camped) by gankers,because they're easy prey. - Is it easy for a single person to cover the renting fees and still have enough ISK to PLEX at least one account and be able to lose some ships?. I would be doing pretty much everything the system has to offer.(-0.1 sec status). EDIT: the renting cost +pos cost would between 1.5b -2.5b. You can do it. I would suggest renting from NA/Bot instead of CFC. CFC has great deals, but their renter space if full of cloaking cyno alts. Its not really worth it at this point. NA/Bot have so much space you can find a nice quiet system where no one wants to travel for ganks.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6347	Posted - 2014.07.31 20:22:00 - [36] - Quote Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: The one difference with my corp (so far as I can tell), is that if you joined the corp as a PvP pilot as I did, you're expected to be on deployments, and join all of the fleets you can. ENLI friend, I don't think most of the groups use a "pvp/pve" type of differentiation of pilots. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6347	Posted - 2014.07.31 20:25:00 - [37] - Quote Aha, I see vince draken's boys have appeared grr gon renters ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Calvin Recline Hedion University Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2014.07.31 21:56:00 - [38] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Aha, I see vince draken's boys have appeared grr gon renters To be fair, the cyno cloaks in cfc renter space isn't so much a myth. I went jumping through to check out space before i secured my current rental contract and there were by far more campers in cfc renter space than the other 2 primary renters. I'd have rented from cfc other wise.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6348	Posted - 2014.07.31 22:04:00 - [39] - Quote Sure, reliable npc corp alt without an agenda on general discussion. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Gallowmere Rorschach Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation 546	Posted - 2014.07.31 22:13:00 - [40] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: The one difference with my corp (so far as I can tell), is that if you joined the corp as a PvP pilot as I did, you're expected to be on deployments, and join all of the fleets you can. ENLI friend, I don't think most of the groups use a "pvp/pve" type of differentiation of pilots. Interesting. It's been my experience with every corp I've joined, though I haven't been in many (three were nullsec based) over my two years in Eve. It was always something akin to "are you here to shoot people, or space rocks?" I have noticed that the CFC seems to handle damn near everything differently than everyone else in Eve though, so perhaps it shouldn't shock me.

Calvin Recline Hedion University Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2014.07.31 22:49:00 - [41] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Sure, reliable npc corp alt without an agenda on general discussion. because everything else I have added to the conversation has been incorrect, right? These were my observations. The difference in 'open' spots in NA/boT renter space is just vastly different than CfC renter space. Killboards show as much.
Budan Kado School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.07.31 23:48:00 - [42] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Sure, reliable npc corp alt without an agenda on general discussion. Please point to the rules that state "Post with the character on your account with the most SP" or "Post with your main". There isnt one and just because I use a market alt to post with dosent mean I dont know what I am talking about. CFC renter space is full of cloaking cyno alts. This is a fact. Then again, when you are wrong the first thing you do is try to discredit the poster instead of actually saying "yes, our renter space is full of cyno alts at this time. We are trying to fix this situation." or presenting facts that dispute the poster. Also, please have someone from your renter alliance do the public relations, you are doing nothing but pushing people way that would rent from you which is expected from a person that had to pay 10 bux to join an internet spaceship guild.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels 1952	Posted - 2014.08.01 00:41:00 - [43] - Quote Budan Kado wrote: CFC renter space is full of cloaking cyno alts. This is a fact. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Greater_Western_Co-Prosperity_Sphere http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Northern_Associates. Pay particular attention to the slopes of the respective 'Members' graphs.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5762	Posted - 2014.08.01 00:57:00 - [44] - Quote Budan Kado wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: Sure, reliable npc corp alt without an agenda on general discussion. Please point to the rules that state "Post with the character on your account with the most SP" or "Post with your main". There isnt one and just because I use a market alt to post with dosent mean I dont know what I am talking about. CFC renter space is full of cloaking cyno alts. This is a fact. Then again, when you are wrong the first thing you do is try to discredit the poster instead of actually saying "yes, our renter space is full of cyno alts at this time. We are trying to fix this situation." or presenting facts that dispute the poster. Also, please have someone from your renter alliance do the public relations, you are doing nothing but pushing people way that would rent from you which is expected from a person that had to pay 10 bux to join an internet spaceship guild. I rent a system for reasons & there is no cloaky camper in it. You have officially been discredited by the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com
Serene Repose 1458	Posted - 2014.08.01 01:05:00 - [45] - Quote Wenda M'mbala wrote: I don't know much about Null as I've always lived in WH and hi-sec,and I don't know much about renting either,but recently I've found myself wanting to try it out.However I'd like to do it on my own,with a one man corp and 3 accounts.So the big question is,if it is doable,but more specifically: - Is it too much logistics for a single person? - Are small corps being abused (camped) by gankers,because they're easy prey. - Is it easy for a single person to cover the renting fees and still have enough ISK to PLEX at least one account and be able to lose some ships?. I would be doing pretty much everything the system has to offer.(-0.1 sec status). EDIT: the renting cost +pos cost would between 1.5b -2.5b. It depends on how big an army you can raise. Seems to me charging rent, and collecting rent are two different matters. Maybe you fail to realize the "rental" system in EVE is more like a protection racket run by the mafia. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels 1952	Posted - 2014.08.01 01:06:00 - [46] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Budan Kado wrote: CFC renter space is full of cloaking cyno alts. This is a fact. I rent a system for reasons & there is no cloaky camper in it. You have officially been discredited by the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal. No one said every system has a cloaky alt in it, so nothing was discredited. "Full of" has variable definitions, it can mean CFC renter space has a lot of cloaky alts which is definitly true. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Period_Basis#npc Three weeks ago half of the systems in that region were showing 1000+ kills on an hourly basis, and most of the rest were in the hundreds. Now, zeroes across the board with a few single digits here and there (at least at the time of this post).
Calvin Recline Hedion University Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2014.08.01 02:04:00 - [47] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Period_Basis#npc Three weeks ago half of the systems in that region were showing 1000+ kills on an hourly basis, and most of the rest were in the hundreds. Now, zeroes across the board with a few single digits here and there (at least at the time of this post). Don't you dare go using facts and logic against the CFC; spinning those two things isn't a possibility so they'll get you banned instead!
Sentamon Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 2017	Posted - 2014.08.01 02:15:00 - [48] - Quote Instead of renting and getting cloaky camped 24/7, go do anything you want in Goon space. They're desperate trying to get their people to log in, and if you can bring more then 5 people you'll have lots of time before they can gather 900 F1 monkeys to deal with you. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
Gallowmere Rorschach Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation 546	Posted - 2014.08.01 03:01:00 - [49] - Quote Sentamon wrote: Instead of renting and getting cloaky camped 24/7, go do anything you want in Goon space. They're desperate trying to get their people to log in, and if you can bring more then 5 people you'll have lots of time before they can gather 900 F1 monkeys to deal with you. I support this man's idea...even if there was way too much hurfblurf in the second paragraph.
ImYourMom Republic University Minmatar Republic 47	Posted - 2014.08.01 08:51:00 - [50] - Quote seriously not worth it. especially at the extortionate prices. Alliances price these based on a corporation constantly raking isk 24/7 tbh if it was up to me renting would be banised at the level its at, at the moment.

Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 1135	Posted - 2014.08.01 08:57:00 - [51] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: Budan Kado wrote: CFC renter space is full of cloaking cyno alts. This is a fact. I rent a system for reasons & there is no cloaky camper in it. You have officially been discredited by the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal. No one said every system has a cloaky alt in it, so nothing was discredited. "Full of" has variable definitions, it can mean CFC renter space has a lot of cloaky alts which is definitly true. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Period_Basis#npc Three weeks ago half of the systems in that region were showing 1000+ kills on an hourly basis, and most of the rest were in the hundreds. Now, zeroes across the board with a few single digits here and there (at least at the time of this post). A renter in PB can contact a renter in Vale or Branch and arrange a reciprocal agreement to rat in Vale or Branch, or they can move to system that isn't in/near a warzone. There is absolutely no way any serflord can prevent war coming to a region. They can only win it. If you have a "private" camper ie one that dislikes you, one of the best ways to dislocate them is to be able to rat 70 jumps away, which if you review my posting history is something I've repeatedly posted into cloaky camper threads posted by other renters. During the Halloween war, considerable NA space was lost and NA renter space was routinely roamed and camped by goons - and I didn't find myself motivated to negative post about it, ie renting is and always has been a case of dealing with the prevailing null weather by doing your research on it and adjusting to conditions if where you are right now is currently nasty weather. Both organisations currently have several corps that have previously rented from the other.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 3970	Posted - 2014.08.01 12:52:00 - [52] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: No one said every system has a cloaky alt in it, so nothing was discredited. "Full of" has variable definitions, it can mean CFC renter space has a lot of cloaky alts which is definitly true. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Period_Basis#npc Three weeks ago half of the systems in that region were showing 1000+ kills on an hourly basis, and most of the rest were in the hundreds. Now, zeroes across the board with a few single digits here and there (at least at the time of this post). So did cloaky campers do that, or is there just no ratting right now? To be honest, I rarely see cloaky campers no matter where I'm heading these days. I figured maybe CCP had broken something. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Calvin Recline Hedion University Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2014.08.01 16:49:00 - [53] - Quote Tauranon wrote: Both organisations currently have several corps that have previously rented from the other. Exactly. At this time, CfC has an large amount of it; that's all that anyone evr said. That's not bad mouthing; it's just stating facts as they are. We can't help if it CfC Slumlords get upset about facts being made. NA. and BoT have had their problems in the past with similar things, you described NA.'s situation quite well earlier. I left NA. rental lands at one point due to a similar issue; came back when it was calmer. months later. Lucas Kell wrote: To be honest, I rarely see cloaky campers no matter where I'm heading these days. I figured maybe CCP had broken something. That must be why there are so many in Razor space and provi ;x. I hear blops arent a thing any more.


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