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Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
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Posted - 2011.11.21 15:18:00 -
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given the fact they're the only ones that it hurts why would someone go buy 3bll from them for $100 bucks when you can buy PLEXs from ccp and sell them for 3bill for $60?
rising PLEXs prices should only scare RMTers and people that want to play eve for free( lol its still no free your fellow nerds payed for it)
edit for the 1942 grammar Germans I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last. |

White Tree
XxBroski North Reloaded Federation NinjaGuldDotxX. Elite Space Guild
617
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Posted - 2011.11.21 15:35:00 -
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You're pretty stupid. |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.21 15:37:00 -
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White Tree wrote:You're pretty stupid.
Well i wanted to write some normal response which will actually shows that the OP is somewhat on the right track, but the collateral damage it would/could/is caused/causing is not worth it.
And if there are no buyers for PLEXes then the RMTs will actually have free reign of their market, since no competition means better business. PLEX is somewhat compettion to RMTs. |

Heimdallofasgard
APEX ARDENT COALITION NEM3SIS.
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Posted - 2011.11.21 15:39:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:given the fact there the only ones that it hurts why would someone go buy 3bll from them for $100 bucks when you can buy PLEXs from ccp and sell them for 3bill for $60?
rising PLEXs prices should only scare RMTers and people that want to play eve for free( lol its still no free your fellow nerds payed for it)
Sort of agree... although your use of "there" instead of "they're" annoyed me somewhat.
CCP love in demand plex... and isk sinks for that matter... it keeps the market healthy. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
959
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Posted - 2011.11.21 15:40:00 -
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lol |

Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
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Posted - 2011.11.21 15:40:00 -
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White Tree wrote:You're pretty stupid.
Well you smell like boiled cabbage and old people.
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last. |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
66
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Posted - 2011.11.21 15:45:00 -
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Heimdallofasgard wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:given the fact there the only ones that it hurts why would someone go buy 3bll from them for $100 bucks when you can buy PLEXs from ccp and sell them for 3bill for $60?
rising PLEXs prices should only scare RMTers and people that want to play eve for free( lol its still no free your fellow nerds payed for it) Sort of agree... although your use of "there" instead of "they're" annoyed me somewhat. CCP love in demand plex... and isk sinks for that matter... it keeps the market healthy.
Its not an ISK sink. Since those payed ISKs are still in-game.
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Water MEI
hirr Morsus Mihi
3
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Posted - 2011.11.21 15:45:00 -
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I think part of your statement is true, that RMTer, as in the farmers n people who SELL isk would be complaining. Because CCP became a powerful competitor for them. But I believe people who are making isk ingame legally and perhaps wish to play the game 'for free' by purchase PLEX with their isk would complain about the increase of PLEXs price.
or something like that :) |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1209
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Posted - 2011.11.21 15:50:00 -
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Heimdallofasgard wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:given the fact there the only ones that it hurts why would someone go buy 3bll from them for $100 bucks when you can buy PLEXs from ccp and sell them for 3bill for $60?
rising PLEXs prices should only scare RMTers and people that want to play eve for free( lol its still no free your fellow nerds payed for it) Sort of agree... although your use of "there" instead of "they're" annoyed me somewhat. CCP love in demand plex... and isk sinks for that matter... it keeps the market healthy.
PLEX are not an ISK sink for the love of God.
If you don't understand how PLEX work - and it's OK to not understand - then please don't post about them. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
131
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Posted - 2011.11.21 15:59:00 -
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White Tree wrote:You're pretty stupid. Says one of the people that gave the NeX Store a big tick of approval without any opposition at all. The CSM should have done some research of how those sort of MT additions have worked out in other games before green lighting it for EVE. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
66
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Posted - 2011.11.21 16:01:00 -
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Azahni Vah'nos wrote:White Tree wrote:You're pretty stupid. Says one of the people that gave the NeX Store a big tick of approval without any opposition at all. The CSM should have done some research of how those sort of MT additions have worked out in other games before green lighting it for EVE.
?
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Heimdallofasgard
APEX ARDENT COALITION NEM3SIS.
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Posted - 2011.11.21 16:03:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Heimdallofasgard wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:given the fact there the only ones that it hurts why would someone go buy 3bll from them for $100 bucks when you can buy PLEXs from ccp and sell them for 3bill for $60?
rising PLEXs prices should only scare RMTers and people that want to play eve for free( lol its still no free your fellow nerds payed for it) Sort of agree... although your use of "there" instead of "they're" annoyed me somewhat. CCP love in demand plex... and isk sinks for that matter... it keeps the market healthy. PLEX are not an ISK sink for the love of God. If you don't understand how PLEX work - and it's OK to not understand - then please don't post about them.
I do know how they work but I apologise if I was misunderstood.
I didn't say they were an isk sink...
isk sinks are something thing that ccp like... in demand plex is another thing they like...
Basically:
USE PLEX AND BLOW **** UP!
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Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
131
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Posted - 2011.11.21 16:09:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:White Tree wrote:You're pretty stupid. Says one of the people that gave the NeX Store a big tick of approval without any opposition at all. The CSM should have done some research of how those sort of MT additions have worked out in other games before green lighting it for EVE. ? Cited from the CSM minutes if your not sure what I'm refering to. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |

Farrisen
MoaR ChickeN
47
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Posted - 2011.11.21 16:26:00 -
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Well iv'e not spent any of my own RL-cash on EvE for 2-ish years now. (Plex/GTC bought with ISK)
And it's getting to the point where it's not really "worth" it anymore. Then again ive been quite "afk" from eve the last 3-4 months, so not alot of income :P
But still, prices are nearing half a Bill for a Plex, and it feels kinda -meh- If they go much Higher, I'll probably let my Alt into stasis, and maybe even pay for a month or two on my main (with RL-Cash)

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Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
181
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Posted - 2011.11.21 17:12:00 -
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ALTHOUGH one could argue that accounts who only play by PLEX don't really count, because the real money comes from others, these people are still quite a necessity because they remove PLEX from the game and help keep a balance on the market.
Saying that only bots require PLEX to play is wrong, as there are people who can't afford the real money to play and ACTUALLY, the economy requires people who play via PLEX, simply to balance the market. (i'm repeating myself ^^)
Else ... the price would drop because of too many PLEX, which surely would lead to people buying more PLEX ingame, yes, and that would raise the PLEX price again, but sadly not that much anymore. (talking about what happens if suddenly many many many PLEX-players leave)
A lower PLEX price makes the $/ISK ratio unattractive, which leads to more people buying ISK from ebay and less people buying PLEX for real money.
And hell ... it's really attractive right now ... ... right before the next expansion.
And that's working as intended. :)
(Hopefully i didn't leave anything substantial out right now.) |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
959
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Posted - 2011.11.21 17:17:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote: ALTOUGH one could argue that accounts who only play by PLEX don't really count, because the real money comes from others, these people are still quite a necessity because they remove PLEX from the game and help keep a balance on the market.
They're a necessity because they're the ones who buy the PLEX from those who drop cash on timecodes, you see, |

Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
181
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Posted - 2011.11.21 17:19:00 -
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Andski wrote:Solstice Project wrote: ALTHOUGH one could argue that accounts who only play by PLEX don't really count, because the real money comes from others, these people are still quite a necessity because they remove PLEX from the game and help keep a balance on the market.
They're a necessity because they're the ones who buy the PLEX from those who drop cash on timecodes, you see,
You're repeating what i am saying, although maybe i didn't bring that point out clear enough ?
Quote:these people are still quite a necessity because they remove PLEX from the game and help keep a balance on the market.
edit: still can't spell altHough right... *LOL* |

Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
165
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Posted - 2011.11.21 17:20:00 -
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EVE Community loses confidence in CCP.
Community protests by cancelling subs and bragging about it.
Community stops paying for accounts with $$ and begins paying with PLEX.
CCP announces Super Cap nerf.
People have less reason to buy GTC's.
Demand for PLEX goes up, Supply drops.
Community complains about price of PLEX.
It's not Rocket Surgery |

Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
165
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Posted - 2011.11.21 17:23:00 -
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great... double post
It's not Rocket Surgery |

Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
57
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Posted - 2011.11.21 17:25:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:great... double post
BEST forum code EVER right?
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last. |

Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
181
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Posted - 2011.11.21 17:32:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:Zagdul wrote:great... double post BEST forum code EVER right?
Hey, i have an idea !
A virtual server doesn't really cost much.
How about you code your own forum, we all migrate there and start shiptoasting about how bad it is ? :D |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
959
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Posted - 2011.11.21 18:09:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:Zagdul wrote:great... double post BEST forum code EVER right? Hey, i have an idea ! A virtual server doesn't really cost much. How about you code your own forum, we all migrate there and start shiptoasting about how bad it is ? :D
Because CCP can't be bothered to use an off-the-shelf forum |

Amro One
One.
33
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Posted - 2011.11.21 19:22:00 -
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White Tree wrote:You're pretty stupid.
Is a RMTer probably |

Anazzar
Howling Stones Mining Corporation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.21 20:10:00 -
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To be fair, ccp should only be interested in the amount of plex that is shifted, not the price.
Theres alot of new money in town with the release of incursions that can net you up to 100mill/hr if you know what you are doing, that could either be having a knock on effect by increasing the number of people subbing with plexes or reducing the number of people buying plex, no idea how to tell which. |

BuckStrider
Hardcore p0wnography Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.11.21 20:21:00 -
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White Tree wrote:You're pretty stupid.
Says Mittani's favorite puppet |

BuckStrider
Hardcore p0wnography Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.11.21 20:22:00 -
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Stupid ganked double post |

Destru Kaneda
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.11.21 20:23:00 -
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Stop double-clicking the internets. Music for robots, hackers, pirates, geeks and miscellaneous nerds. |

Tammy Trustworthy
6
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Posted - 2011.11.21 21:27:00 -
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I don't think 100m difference once a month hurts botters that much for some reason. |

Gazmin VanBurin
Go Petition Blizzard
28
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Posted - 2011.11.21 21:31:00 -
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White Tree wrote:You're pretty stupid.
Wow white tree, you dont hold any punches back do you :D
Well I do have to agree though |

White Tree
XxBroski North Reloaded Federation NinjaGuldDotxX. Elite Space Guild
617
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Posted - 2011.11.21 22:28:00 -
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Azahni Vah'nos wrote:White Tree wrote:You're pretty stupid. Says one of the people that gave the NeX Store a big tick of approval without any opposition at all. The CSM should have done some research of how those sort of MT additions have worked out in other games before green lighting it for EVE. NeX store owns d e a l w i t h i t |

Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2011.11.21 22:39:00 -
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White Tree wrote:You're pretty stupid.
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Wormy McScan
Eve Pilots Revolutionary Army
4
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Posted - 2011.11.21 23:16:00 -
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White Tree wrote:You're pretty stupid.
This comment is right up there with the CSM trying to claim credit for CCP refocusing on the game and not mentioning that hordes of people unsubbing were the real reason.
If you want to be useful and helpful perhaps take the time to explain your viewpoint and offer reasons and facts that support your views.
I'll be sure not to miss voteing in the coming elections btw..it will be damn hard to forget what this CSM has done. |

Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
172
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Posted - 2011.11.21 23:25:00 -
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Wormy McScan wrote:White Tree wrote:You're pretty stupid. This comment is right up there with the CSM trying to claim credit for CCP refocusing on the game and not mentioning that hordes of people unsubbing were the real reason. If you want to be useful and helpful perhaps take the time to explain your viewpoint and offer reasons and facts that support your views. I'll be sure not to miss voteing in the coming elections btw..it will be damn hard to forget what this CSM has done.
Wrest CCP away from a failscade?
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Wormy McScan
Eve Pilots Revolutionary Army
4
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Posted - 2011.11.21 23:34:00 -
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Zirse wrote:Wormy McScan wrote:White Tree wrote:You're pretty stupid. This comment is right up there with the CSM trying to claim credit for CCP refocusing on the game and not mentioning that hordes of people unsubbing were the real reason. If you want to be useful and helpful perhaps take the time to explain your viewpoint and offer reasons and facts that support your views. I'll be sure not to miss voteing in the coming elections btw..it will be damn hard to forget what this CSM has done. Wrest CCP away from a failscade?
How can you even consider that thought ? We saw online numbers fall from around 42k to just barely hovering at 20k.
And you think the CSM did the work ? That is an insult to the people that felt they had to leave and a lack of understanding what forces drove the refocusing. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
959
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Posted - 2011.11.21 23:48:00 -
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hi forum alts!!! |

Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
131
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Posted - 2011.11.22 03:05:00 -
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White Tree wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:White Tree wrote:You're pretty stupid. Says one of the people that gave the NeX Store a big tick of approval without any opposition at all. The CSM should have done some research of how those sort of MT additions have worked out in other games before green lighting it for EVE. NeX store owns d e a l w i t h i t Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise the NeX was universily loved by the playerbase, my mistake. What were all those cancelled subs and protests about again, can you remind me, because I'm pretty sure the NeX was one of the reasons.
CCP may not have been quite so blas+¬ with implementing the NeX as they did had the CSM shown anything but indifference because they thought it would just be screwing with the roleplayers. Unfortunately that indifference made CCP think that everyone would be perfectly fine with the NeX, which as we have seen, they are not.
Had the CSM been a little more diligent in their dealings with CCP over the NeX, would we have seen the riots when Incarna was released, food for thought I believe.
Hopefully CCP will change the way the CSM is elected so the playerbase ends up with people who are more interested with keeping the integrity of the whole game and not just their little pet pocket of it. And if that can't happen then as far as I'm concerned get rid of the CSM entirely and replace it with in-game surveys.
The truth ... deal with it.
Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |

Tammy Trustworthy
7
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Posted - 2011.11.22 03:27:00 -
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White Tree wrote:You're pretty stupid.
Look, interstellar spaceship thing who has managed to be more self-important and worthless than an actual politician called you stupid! Great shame on your family OP the white tree called you stupid nanna nanna boo boo! stick your head in doo doo! |

Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2011.11.22 03:46:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:given the fact they're the only ones that it hurts why would someone go buy 3bll from them for $100 bucks when you can buy PLEXs from ccp and sell them for 3bill for $60?
rising PLEXs prices should only scare RMTers and people that want to play eve for free( lol its still no free your fellow nerds payed for it)
edit for the 1942 grammar Germans
You are out of your skull. Rising PLEX prices HELP RMT'ers.
104.97 for 3 bil from ccp 60 bucks for 3 bil from spammers in game.
Especially if the RMTes know some catalyst is coming, like oh, say a fuel shortage... Then they buy up plex, sell them for more, profit all the while.
Sheesh.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |

Cur
Militaris Industries Cascade Imminent
20
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Posted - 2011.11.22 06:09:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:given the fact they're the only ones that it hurts why would someone go buy 3bll from them for $100 bucks when you can buy PLEXs from ccp and sell them for 3bill for $60?
rising PLEXs prices should only scare RMTers and people that want to play eve for free( lol its still no free your fellow nerds payed for it)
edit for the 1942 grammar Germans
Hello Stupid OP.
The only people bitching about the PLEX prices are the ones that havent paid a single $$ towards this game after they initialy bought their account.
IE, setup the account, pay for 1mth to get the skills required to do lvl3-4's, buy plex in game from then on in.
People seem to resent the idea of paying $14.95 per month for this game, hense choose to grind in game to use plex instead.
With the PLEX prices on seemingly a steady increase, their "comfort zone" of grinding L4's for 4-5 hours straight has been increased to 8 hours.
P.S - RMTers have fallen off their chair laughing at you OP at the notion that its more profitable to buy plex than RMT. If you had of spend 20 seconds on google before opening you're mouth to state said "facts" you'd see yourself how wrong you are. |

Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
58
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Posted - 2011.11.22 06:30:00 -
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boo forum dupes I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last. |

Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
58
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Posted - 2011.11.22 06:30:00 -
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Cur wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:given the fact they're the only ones that it hurts why would someone go buy 3bll from them for $100 bucks when you can buy PLEXs from ccp and sell them for 3bill for $60?
rising PLEXs prices should only scare RMTers and people that want to play eve for free( lol its still no free your fellow nerds payed for it)
edit for the 1942 grammar Germans Hello Stupid OP. The only people bitching about the PLEX prices are the ones that havent paid a single $$ towards this game after they initialy bought their account. IE, setup the account, pay for 1mth to get the skills required to do lvl3-4's, buy plex in game from then on in. People seem to resent the idea of paying $14.95 per month for this game, hense choose to grind in game to use plex instead. With the PLEX prices on seemingly a steady increase, their "comfort zone" of grinding L4's for 4-5 hours straight has been increased to 8 hours. P.S - RMTers have fallen off their chair laughing at you OP at the notion that its more profitable to buy plex than RMT. If you had of spend 20 seconds on google before opening you're mouth to state said "facts" you'd see yourself how wrong you are.
O'realy now? but i do know how cheap isk is to buy it off the webz but the ever increasing plex prices are making a steady climb towards interfering with there profits (given that's still a ways off) but when has that ever stopped a business from starting as early as possible to try and stop there competition.
it would be bad business not to try and keep plex prices down so they still have the best isk to $ ratio.
whats the better deal(given these are made up numbers)
$100 for 3 bill and no chance of a ban
or
$85 for 3bill and a possible perma ban? I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last. |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
67
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Posted - 2011.11.22 06:32:00 -
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I am lost it seems like people contradicting themselves by arguing with someone who actually wrote the same as "quoted" thinking he contradict it. |

Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
58
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Posted - 2011.11.22 06:38:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:I am lost it seems like people contradicting themselves by arguing with someone who actually wrote the same as "quoted" thinking he contradict it.
your really clear on who your talking about
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1212
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Posted - 2011.11.22 06:55:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:I am lost it seems like people contradicting themselves by arguing with someone who actually wrote the same as "quoted" thinking he contradict it. your really clear on who your talking about
You're not.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

David Clausewitz
The Spawning Pool Team Liquid
3
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Posted - 2011.11.22 07:08:00 -
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White Tree wrote:You're pretty stupid.
This is all that needs to be said.
This OP makes me wish you could downvote posts. |

Prince Kobol
65
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Posted - 2011.11.22 08:27:00 -
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Lets use some real numbers instead of guessing
$34.99 / -ú22.35 / Gé¼25.87 for 2 PLEX (from Shattered Crystal)
Lets Say PLEX is selling for 500mil (which last time I looked it has now dropped)
So that is $104.97 / -ú67.03 / Gé¼77.60 for 3 bil isk via PLEX
If you go down the RMT route (DO NOT DO IT ONLY LOSERS BUY ISK) you can get 3 bill for
$53.46 / -ú35.74 / Gé¼41,59 (depending where you buy from)
So yeah, the rise in isk has had ZERO effect on RMT isk.
Also remember that the RMT companies probably have stocks of hundreds of PLEX so if anything they have made a mountain of isk
OP is an idiot so is anybody else who thinks that the RMT Companies have hated PLEX'es going up
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Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
58
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Posted - 2011.11.22 14:16:00 -
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look at the flood of RMT supporters saying RMT is still the bests I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last. |
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