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Jaguar Dragon	Posted - 2006.07.09 14:48:00 - [1] today LOFTY29 in his 1 man corp and a pirate.. with his alt LOFTERS in his 1 man corp.. who are at war with each other. played a little trick to get player kills in safe space. lofters a noob asks for help in gang. you join then warp to him.. then you met by others that lofters is at war with,, they shoot you and demand payment. this is likely legal, but lame low down playing. so i contact the all mighty LOFTY29 and threaten him with a war dec..lolol his response is.. he'll run to 0.0 this goes to show just how lame these pirates are. so i tell everyone to not join in gang with nobody . unless you know them well. or your own corp this is LOFTY29 and LOFTERS tactics. check my bio
St Dragon	Posted - 2006.07.09 14:54:00 - [2] Yes it is a lame tactic but hardly new. ----------------------------------------------- "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.09 14:56:00 - [3] Edited by: HippoKing on 09/07/2006 14:58:08 Go lofty, its your birthday edit: bit of a harsh tactic, but hardly new and hardly difficult to avoid. The above part of this post was mainly because (as the corpname suggests), lofty29 a regular poster on these forums, and I quite like him
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 14:59:00 - [4] Edited by: lofty29 on 09/07/2006 15:01:47 Yep. I do this. Yep, I make a bloody lot of ISK off of this. Now, lets get a few things straight here... He says 'They' Will gank you, and that there are many of us. There is just one of me. I work alone and that is it. Working in groups of 2 looses me ISK, 50% of it infact. He says 'I will run to 0.0' as my response. Yes, I said this. But - He said that I must pay him 100m or his corp will hunt me down and kill me with their battleships. I actually said that I will go to 0.0 and play with friends while the war is ongoing, so that the fights are evenly matched. A 60 man corp versus me doesnt seem fair, tbh, so Im evening the odds by getting old friends in syndicate to join in . And yes, noone should join a gang with a stranger. Tres dangereux! And despite many people going 'OMFG LOFTY29 AND LOFTERS R TEH GANKING PIRATES!!' in oursulaert local, I still manage to net the kills. This will hardly do much And <3 HK --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
St Dragon	Posted - 2006.07.09 15:02:00 - [5] Originally by: lofty29 Edited by: lofty29 on 09/07/2006 15:01:47 Yep. I do this. Yep, I make a bloody lot of ISK off of this. Now, lets get a few things straight here... He says 'They' Will gank you, and that there are many of us. There is just one of me. I work alone and that is it. Working in groups of 2 looses me ISK, 50% of it infact. He says 'I will run to 0.0' as my response. Yes, I said this. But - He said that I must pay him 100m or his corp will hunt me down and kill me with their battleships. I actually said that I will go to 0.0 and play with friends while the war is ongoing, so that the fights are evenly matched. A 60 man corp versus me doesnt seem fair, tbh, so Im evening the odds by getting old friends in syndicate to join in . And yes, noone should join a gang with a stranger. Tres dangereux! And despite many people going 'OMFG LOFTY29 AND LOFTERS R TEH GANKING PIRATES!!' in oursulaert local, I still manage to net the kills. This will hardly do much And <3 HK ----------------------------------------------- "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Jaguar Dragon	Posted - 2006.07.09 15:08:00 - [6] Lofty29 your a liar. my corp m8 said you and your alt lofters and 3 other bs's. this makes 5 on 1 your five not the just your 1 as you claim. and my corp m8 killed 2 of the bs's. my only purpose here is to clear the air. of how lame pirates operate in safe space.. yea it's leagal.. yea it's old. but your in oursulaert. picking your targets of basicaly new players, and your a veteran.. these new players are unaware of this, so i'm posting making it more known. making lofty29 famous and his alt lofters. so enjoy your fame m8 check my bio
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.09 15:12:00 - [7] Originally by: Jaguar Dragon Lofty29 your a liar. my corp m8 said you and your alt lofters and 3 other bs's. this makes 5 on 1 your five not the just your 1 as you claim. and my corp m8 killed 2 of the bs's. You are aware that given the gang mechanics, the fact that there is only war and only one member in each corp, only one person could possibly have attacked. That being lofty himself. Your corpmate has just got ganked, and yet he tells you he killed 2 enemies while doing it? I think he is telling porky pies
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 15:12:00 - [8] Edited by: lofty29 on 09/07/2006 15:13:03 Originally by: Jaguar Dragon Lofty29 your a liar. my corp m8 said you and your alt lofters and 3 other bs's. this makes 5 on 1 your five not the just your 1 as you claim. and my corp m8 killed 2 of the bs's. my only purpose here is to clear the air. of how lame pirates operate in safe space.. yea it's leagal.. yea it's old. but your in oursulaert. picking your targets of basicaly new players, and your a veteran.. these new players are unaware of this, so i'm posting making it more known. making lofty29 famous and his alt lofters. so enjoy your fame m8 check my bio If you wish to check - My corporation has 1 player in it. My alt's corporation - Freelancer Nutters - only has 1 war declaration on it. From my corporation. Therefore there is NO WAY that another 3 battleships could have joined in. And my alt cannot join in either. Your corpmate must be a liar. And the fact that he 'killed 2 of the BS's' is alot of bull** too. What BS's? And again, <3 hk --------------------------- Originally by:** HippoKing ...I suck at forums
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.07.09 15:42:00 - [9] Originally by: lofty29 Edited by: lofty29 on 09/07/2006 15:23:43 Originally by: Jaguar Dragon Lofty29 your a liar. my corp m8 said you and your alt lofters and 3 other bs's. this makes 5 on 1 your five not the just your 1 as you claim. and my corp m8 killed 2 of the bs's. my only purpose here is to clear the air. of how lame pirates operate in safe space.. yea it's leagal.. yea it's old. but your in oursulaert. picking your targets of basicaly new players, and your a veteran.. these new players are unaware of this, so i'm posting making it more known. making lofty29 famous and his alt lofters. so enjoy your fame m8 check my bio If you wish to check - My corporation has 1 player in it. My alt's corporation - Freelancer Nutters - only has 1 war declaration on it. From my corporation. Therefore there is NO WAY that another 3 battleships could have joined in. And my alt cannot join in either. Your corpmate must be a liar. And the fact that he 'killed 2 of the BS's' is alot of bull** too. What BS's? And again, <3 hk May I also bring in that this guy likes to smacktalk quite alot. After sending him an eve-mail explaining why he would not profit from this war, I got this series of replies - Originally by:** Eve-mails Him : just run coward.. run to 0.0 as the coward you are. i'll be posting your tactics in the forums too. go to 0.0 and stay there,, coward.. cuz the entire game is going to know who you are and lofters too jag Me : Go for it ;) Doesnt bother me! Him : check the forums in about 30 mins' m8.. your game of using the rules as you do may be leagal,, however i will make sure your name is known through out eve.. so your game is up. say good by to empire Me : My game isnt up, FYI. Think about it Him : enjoy your fame Me : I already have some fame. I think you will find that the forum community likes me alot more, and you will probably just get flamed. Alot Him : your a coward,, face it.. run to 0.0 Why he thinks I will have to leave empire is anyones guess, and im not exactly a coward. I told him to war declare me on several occasions. I just said I will go to 0.0 to even out the fights. They will have goonfleet, some BoB and other alliances to join in then, along with my friends! zomg run for teh hilz aka 0.0 join col ! now
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 15:45:00 - [10] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter zomg run for teh hilz aka 0.0 Will you come? <3 --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums

Stitcher	Posted - 2006.07.09 15:50:00 - [11] Damn, and I moved out of Oursulaert just this week and moved back to State space. Wish I'd been around to see that Dominix fight, it sounds awesome. ____________________________________________________________ MAY CONTAIN NUTS.
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.07.09 15:54:00 - [12] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: wierchas noobhunter zomg run for teh hilz aka 0.0 Will you come? <3 yeah join col ! now
Avon	Posted - 2006.07.09 15:55:00 - [13] Well, the gang pop-up does warn about this, so no foul I'm afraid. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Bean Doodle	Posted - 2006.07.09 15:55:00 - [14] PMFG!!! lofty aer famous!!! and i almost know him!!! *touches lofty --- Bean Doodle, WIN's private Spammer, Whiner, Begger, Commmon-Enemy, L33t-Sp33ching-teen and POS suicider.
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 16:10:00 - [15] Originally by: Stitcher Damn, and I moved out of Oursulaert just this week and moved back to State space. Wish I'd been around to see that Dominix fight, it sounds awesome. Sadly, I only publicise fights I know im going to win. Like this one, my domi was pinning down a local smacktalker (he was unfortunately stupid ) and about 20 people came and watched. And yey for weirchas . Oh, and bean. You do know me. Why did you leave -WIS- by the way? --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
AceOfSpace	Posted - 2006.07.09 16:10:00 - [16] Mmh. Annoys me how despite being cowardly, nasty, unsporting etc, this kind of thing gets some vocal support from the self-righteous pvp brigade -where there's an ace, there's a way-
Mtthias Clemi	Posted - 2006.07.09 16:15:00 - [17] Keep it up, noobs need to learn somehow!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.09 16:17:00 - [18] Originally by: lofty29 Edited by: lofty29 on 09/07/2006 15:12:57 Yep. I do this. Yep, I make a bloody lot of ISK off of this. Now, lets get a few things straight here... He says 'They' Will gank you, and that there are many of us. There is just one of me. I work alone and that is it. Working in groups of 2 looses me ISK, 50% of it infact. Also, it stops me from getting any security status hits, and is enjoyable. I always try to make the fights evenly matched. For example, if against a battleship, I will fly a HAC or a Battlecruiser. If against a battlecruiser, I will fly a cruiser. If against a cruiser, a frigate or an interceptor. For example, just now I finished a fight with a dominix pilot. While relatively new to the game, he put up an extremely good fight for my ishtar. His ogre drones where doing crazy amounts of damage and I think he had an ECM backup array, or I had the wrong ECM on (<- probably that one ). I had to nos him to keep my feeble tank running, and pick off each of his drones 1 by 1, while contesting his smartbombs. It was one helluva fight, and I wish I frapsed it now And when I got round to ransoming, he said he didnt have the ISK. Having delt with people like this before, I can usually tell if theyre lying or not. He said he had 15m so I settled for that instead of the 30 and didn't kill him because he didnt have the money. I only do that if they really **** me off He says 'I will run to 0.0' as my response. Yes, I said this. But - He said that I must pay him 100m or his corp will hunt me down and kill me with their battleships. I actually said that I will go to 0.0 and play with friends while the war is ongoing, so that the fights are evenly matched. A 60 man corp versus me doesnt seem fair, tbh, so Im evening the odds by getting old friends in syndicate to join in . And yes, noone should join a gang with a stranger. Tres dangereux! And despite many people going 'OMFG LOFTY29 AND LOFTERS R TEH GANKING PIRATES!!' in oursulaert local, I still manage to net the kills. This will hardly do much And <3 HK Hmm, i figured Concord would show up when you shoot at gang members in safe space... someone told me they did. Hmmm..... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 16:18:00 - [19] Edited by: lofty29 on 09/07/2006 16:20:33 Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Keep it up, noobs need to learn somehow! Some support, yeys oh, and not to brag (well ok, to brag a little ) , but for referance, this, minus about 200m of the kills, is everybody who >Hasnt< payed up ransom. Its about 20% of the people. Linkage Edit - And Jim. You do get concordokkend for shooting gang members. But I dont do that. The Victim gangs with my alt, who is at war with me, making them a legal war target. Its phenomenal how many people dont read the 'WARRING GANG!! CAN BE SHOT' warning --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
Bean Doodle	Posted - 2006.07.09 16:20:00 - [20] dont think i ever was in -WIS- woulndt remeb¦mer tho, im taking allergy medication now and theyre making me all weird and stupid, i walked into a wall thjis morning =D yay! my post has no point! that means im sane neough to realise im going insane, jollyrific --- Bean Doodle, WIN's private Spammer, Whiner, Begger, Commmon-Enemy, L33t-Sp33ching-teen and POS suicider.

lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 16:22:00 - [21] Originally by: Bean Doodle dont think i ever was in -WIS- woulndt remeb¦mer tho, im taking allergy medication now and theyre making me all weird and stupid, i walked into a wall thjis morning =D yay! my post has no point! that means im sane neough to realise im going insane, jollyrific Did you read the number of pills you have to take right? --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
Nee'kita Frist	Posted - 2006.07.09 16:26:00 - [22] Tend to side with lofty on this one anyway. If someone wants help its a case of asking why and find out why before saying "yes." even if its to warp to a field of combat or whatever... -------------- I'm just bitter
Bean Doodle	Posted - 2006.07.09 16:27:00 - [23] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Bean Doodle dont think i ever was in -WIS- woulndt remeb¦mer tho, im taking allergy medication now and theyre making me all weird and stupid, i walked into a wall thjis morning =D yay! my post has no point! that means im sane neough to realise im going insane, jollyrific Did you read the number of pills you have to take right? what pills? oh no... --- Bean Doodle, WIN's private Spammer, Whiner, Begger, Commmon-Enemy, L33t-Sp33ching-teen and POS suicider.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.09 16:28:00 - [24] Originally by: lofty29 And Jim. You do get concordokkend for shooting gang members. But I dont do that. The Victim gangs with my alt, who is at war with me, making them a legal war target. Its phenomenal how many people dont read the 'WARRING GANG!! CAN BE SHOT' warning Pretty clever. You make me afraid of ganging. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.07.09 16:43:00 - [25] I'd wardec you and thump you to be honest but you'd run. Bottomfeeders ftl.
BoinKlasik	Posted - 2006.07.09 16:44:00 - [26] Originally by: Bean Doodle dont think i ever was in -WIS- woulndt remeb¦mer tho, im taking allergy medication now and theyre making me all weird and stupid, i walked into a wall thjis morning =D yay! my post has no point! that means im sane neough to realise im going insane, jollyrific you also just said jollyrific, which is another strike against you :P in any case, yea the gang message is there and it warns you, but in general most people do ignore it anyway. has it ever glitched out on you tho lofty and you end up concorded anyway? people complain about concord glitching a lot and well...gangs are also a pretty iffy affair as well. doh, I broke my edited sig :/ cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 16:46:00 - [27] Originally by: BoinKlasik has it ever glitched out on you tho lofty and you end up concorded anyway? people complain about concord glitching a lot and well...gangs are also a pretty iffy affair as well. Once. Me and BigEd123 (Another one of the local grieftards) setup this big op. He got a bunch of people who hated him to team up, and I got my alt into their gang. Warped in and caused havok. We split the loot 50/50. On the very last podkill, however, the person I was killing left the group, and concord came in. Byebye brutix --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
TheDeceit	Posted - 2006.07.09 16:49:00 - [28] Originally by: lofty29 Edited by: lofty29 on 09/07/2006 15:12:57 Yep. I do this. Yep, I make a bloody lot of ISK off of this. Now, lets get a few things straight here... He says 'They' Will gank you, and that there are many of us. There is just one of me. I work alone and that is it. Working in groups of 2 looses me ISK, 50% of it infact. Also, it stops me from getting any security status hits, and is enjoyable. I always try to make the fights evenly matched. For example, if against a battleship, I will fly a HAC or a Battlecruiser. If against a battlecruiser, I will fly a cruiser. If against a cruiser, a frigate or an interceptor. For example, just now I finished a fight with a dominix pilot. While relatively new to the game, he put up an extremely good fight for my ishtar. His ogre drones where doing crazy amounts of damage and I think he had an ECM backup array, or I had the wrong ECM on (<- probably that one ). I had to nos him to keep my feeble tank running, and pick off each of his drones 1 by 1, while contesting his smartbombs. It was one helluva fight, and I wish I frapsed it now And when I got round to ransoming, he said he didnt have the ISK. Having delt with people like this before, I can usually tell if theyre lying or not. He said he had 15m so I settled for that instead of the 30 and didn't kill him because he didnt have the money. I only do that if they really **** me off He says 'I will run to 0.0' as my response. Yes, I said this. But - He said that I must pay him 100m or his corp will hunt me down and kill me with their battleships. I actually said that I will go to 0.0 and play with friends while the war is ongoing, so that the fights are evenly matched. A 60 man corp versus me doesnt seem fair, tbh, so Im evening the odds by getting old friends in syndicate to join in . And yes, noone should join a gang with a stranger. Tres dangereux! And despite many people going 'OMFG LOFTY29 AND LOFTERS R TEH GANKING PIRATES!!' in oursulaert local, I still manage to net the kills. This will hardly do much And <3 HK You don't have to explain yourself, buddy. thumbs up --------
Stitcher	Posted - 2006.07.09 16:50:00 - [29] Originally by: AceOfSpace Mmh. Annoys me how despite being cowardly, nasty, unsporting etc, this kind of thing gets some vocal support from the self-righteous pvp brigade Actually, I'm something of a carebear. I don't have a single PvP kill to my name at the moment. And I'm still amused by this incident and wish I could have seen it. There's a reason you should approach unknown gang invites with trepidation, you know.... ____________________________________________________________ MAY CONTAIN NUTS.
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 16:51:00 - [30] Originally by: Stitcher Originally by: AceOfSpace Mmh. Annoys me how despite being cowardly, nasty, unsporting etc, this kind of thing gets some vocal support from the self-righteous pvp brigade Actually, I'm something of a carebear. I don't have a single PvP kill to my name at the moment. And I'm still amused by this incident and wish I could have seen it. There's a reason you should approach unknown gang invites with trepidation, you know.... Just so you know, ace is like one of my best friends evar and he's really caring for other people. He just doesnt want me doing it. Sorry ace --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums

Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.07.09 16:57:00 - [31] Lofty is ebil --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTB Platinum Technite, WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II-
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 17:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Dark Shikari Lofty is ebil Im not that ebil A raven pilot just gave me 100m to let him go (turns out he had faction stuff) and I gave him 1/4 back because he was nubby. <3 --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
Jaguar Dragon	Posted - 2006.07.09 17:10:00 - [33] Lofty29 made big claims about running to 0.0. syndicate. claimed to have support from bob, ascn and others. now he's bragging how he got a 3 month old char ganked.. haha. your real tough.. be proud.. be brave..you know the rules of pirating and flagging and ganging better..your a great forum flamer too. i'm the ceo of this corp and i'm backing up my members. i'm not a forum expert like you are. the vote to war dec you is going on. the vote will pass. my member you ganked has ask to not go forth with this. so once the war dec voting has passed ,i will call it off. flame all you want,, it goes to show just what your all about. check my bio
Fliewatuet	Posted - 2006.07.09 17:14:00 - [34] Sry to hear that someone asks around for some help with his noob alt and then runs after the help he should be grateful for instead of going for ransom. :/ One of my reasons for playing eve was... still is the great community, where you can even talk with a lowsec pirate fairly after he showed up in your mission (still lowsec) and you escaped in your pod. Anyway, this is a mechanism the game allows and that means, he's done nothing thats wrong according to the rules - it just don't fit well into being someone ppl can trust. But then, not everyone values trust higher than money... :/ BTW: Wasn't it possible to shoot at gang'ed ppl like they where your corp mates earlier in the game? And since i'm already asking questions, is it possible to shoot at the enemy of the player i'm ganged with before he opens fire (me=ganged with loftys noob alt, enemy = lofty himself)? Now even more cautious, Fliewatuet -- If i win your auction, please be so kind and send me an evemail to remind me :-) NPC infos? Calculating DPS for a mission? Have a look at http://eve.neodoomer.de/npc/ and have fun.
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 17:14:00 - [35] Originally by: Jaguar Dragon Lofty29 made big claims about running to 0.0. syndicate. claimed to have support from bob, ascn and others. now he's bragging how he got a 3 month old char ganked.. haha. your real tough.. be proud.. be brave..you know the rules of pirating and flagging and ganging better..your a great forum flamer too. i'm the ceo of this corp and i'm backing up my members. i'm not a forum expert like you are. the vote to war dec you is going on. the vote will pass. my member you ganked has ask to not go forth with this. so once the war dec voting has passed ,i will call it off. flame all you want,, it goes to show just what your all about. check my bio May I be the first to say - I knew this would happen! I didnt say I had support from BoB or ASCN, I said that they turn up in syndicate now and again, and would attack you on sight . As would goonfleet and enigma. My allies are those in the Wise Guys corporation and others. And just there, I wasnt bragging about killing him, and it wasnt a gank by far. I was showing that I'm not totally ebil. Cept towards people like you - Filthy lying scum. But yeah. I knew you'd not go through with the war declaration. Figures. --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 17:17:00 - [36] Originally by: Fliewatuet BTW: Wasn't it possible to shoot at gang'ed ppl like they where your corp mates earlier in the game? And since i'm already asking questions, is it possible to shoot at the enemy of the player i'm ganged with before he opens fire (me=ganged with loftys noob alt, enemy = lofty himself)? Now even more cautious, Fliewatuet Yeah, it was possible to shoot at gang members. Til people started doing it to newbies, heh. And no, It isnt possible to shoot at the enemy before he opens fire. I tried and tested most possibilities before brining the technique to the frontline. --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.07.09 17:24:00 - [37] Originally by: lofty29 Can I ask, when was it that I used the tactic in syndicate? AFAIK I've never done it You didnt do it in syndicate, that would be pointless (0.0 and wars and all) I was just pointing out that you were, errr a bit crappy then (search our killboard to refresh you memory as to the circumstances). I am now insinuating that you are still just as crappy, thats why you have to stoop to the lengths you do to get a kill. Like I said, bottomfeeders ftl.
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 17:25:00 - [38] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: lofty29 Can I ask, when was it that I used the tactic in syndicate? AFAIK I've never done it You didnt do it in syndicate, that would be pointless (0.0 and wars and all) I was just pointing out that you were, errr a bit crappy then (search our killboard to refresh you memory as to the circumstances). I am now insinuating that you are still just as crappy, thats why you have to stoop to the lengths you do to get a kill. Like I said, bottomfeeders ftl. Yeah, I was crappy then. And TBH I'm crappy for my age too. A year and a halfs play and only 13m SP. Yeah kids, dont skimp out on learning skills. The thing is, I make alot of money via this method, have alot of fun and rarely loose ISK through it. So I dont particularly care --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
VinLieger	Posted - 2006.07.09 17:31:00 - [39] Hmm think lofty wins this one by a fair bit
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 17:36:00 - [40] Originally by: VinLieger Hmm think lofty wins this one by a fair bit *****s open the champagne LETS ALL GET HAMMERRRRRD!!! Oh by the way. Who would like me to make a video of my next few weeks of ransoming? --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums

Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.07.09 17:40:00 - [41] /me bangs his head on his desk. FFS, fly with auto reject on.
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 17:41:00 - [42] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia /me bangs his head on his desk. FFS, fly with auto reject on. Doesnt reject gang invites mate --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.07.09 17:44:00 - [43] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Dark Shikari Lofty is ebil Im not that ebil A raven pilot just gave me 100m to let him go (turns out he had faction stuff) and I gave him 1/4 back because he was nubby. <3 noobs + faction gear = someone bought some isk.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.07.09 17:45:00 - [44] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Malthros Zenobia /me bangs his head on his desk. FFS, fly with auto reject on. Doesnt reject gang invites mate Guess people just don't want to gang me then. Not that it matters, it's hard to accept a gang invite when you're AFK.
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 17:46:00 - [45] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Dark Shikari Lofty is ebil Im not that ebil A raven pilot just gave me 100m to let him go (turns out he had faction stuff) and I gave him 1/4 back because he was nubby. <3 noobs + faction gear = someone bought some isk. See, I am helping the world! Im releiving E-Bayers of their ISK --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
Attiladehun	Posted - 2006.07.09 17:49:00 - [46] What you do is youre choice, although it looks like lame. You just use the game mechanics The only downside of all this in my eyes is that in this way you discourage the possibility of people helping eachother. Wich kinda makes me sad But yeh like i said it's youre way of living
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 17:56:00 - [47] Originally by: Attiladehun What you do is youre choice, although it looks like lame. You just use the game mechanics The only downside of all this in my eyes is that in this way you discourage the possibility of people helping eachother. Wich kinda makes me sad But yeh like i said it's youre way of living Yes, it discourages people from helping one another. But it also teaches some newbies to fend for themselves, and stops them being so dependant on help. Nice kill there, by the way. If the war dec does come through, wanna help kill them? --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
Soulita	Posted - 2006.07.09 18:07:00 - [48] Originally by: lofty29 If you wish to check - My corporation has 1 player in it. My alt's corporation - Freelancer Nutters - only has 1 war declaration on it. From my corporation. Therefore there is NO WAY that another 3 battleships could have joined in. ... ...I told him to war declare me on several occasions. I just said I will go to 0.0 to even out the fights. They will have goonfleet, some BoB and other alliances to join in then, along with my friends! Hmmmmmmmm, nobody can help a 1 man warring corp? Seems incorrect to me. If the 1 man warring corp player shoots at the target that has fallen for the gang-trap and the target shoots back, then people who are ganged with the one man corper can fire at the target as well, no? And Even if they couldnt, support ships can help ya. You seem very courageous Lofty29 - LOL.
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 18:12:00 - [49] Originally by: Soulita Originally by: lofty29 If you wish to check - My corporation has 1 player in it. My alt's corporation - Freelancer Nutters - only has 1 war declaration on it. From my corporation. Therefore there is NO WAY that another 3 battleships could have joined in. ... ...I told him to war declare me on several occasions. I just said I will go to 0.0 to even out the fights. They will have goonfleet, some BoB and other alliances to join in then, along with my friends! Hmmmmmmmm, nobody can help a 1 man warring corp? Seems incorrect to me. If the 1 man warring corp player shoots at the target that has fallen for the gang-trap and the target shoots back, then people who are ganged with the one man corper can fire at the target as well, no? And Even if they couldnt, support ships can help ya. You seem very courageous Lofty29 - LOL. I dont have any support ships, friends (who help me ) or assistance to kill my targets. Just me and my many ships. Why wont people beleive me I honor ransoms. Its not me who lies, its my alt! --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2006.07.09 18:16:00 - [50] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Malthros Zenobia /me bangs his head on his desk. FFS, fly with auto reject on. Doesnt reject gang invites mate As far as I know yes it does.

Soulita	Posted - 2006.07.09 18:16:00 - [51] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Soulita Originally by: lofty29 If you wish to check - My corporation has 1 player in it. My alt's corporation - Freelancer Nutters - only has 1 war declaration on it. From my corporation. Therefore there is NO WAY that another 3 battleships could have joined in. ... ...I told him to war declare me on several occasions. I just said I will go to 0.0 to even out the fights. They will have goonfleet, some BoB and other alliances to join in then, along with my friends! Hmmmmmmmm, nobody can help a 1 man warring corp? Seems incorrect to me. If the 1 man warring corp player shoots at the target that has fallen for the gang-trap and the target shoots back, then people who are ganged with the one man corper can fire at the target as well, no? And Even if they couldnt, support ships can help ya. You seem very courageous Lofty29 - LOL. I dont have any support ships, friends (who help me ) or assistance to kill my targets. Just me and my many ships. Why wont people beleive me I honor ransoms. Its not me who lies, its my alt! Drat, another Split-Personality Pitty I cant do this sort of stuff you do, CCP would ban me instantly for griefplaying. I realy need to get some BoB friends.
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 18:19:00 - [52] Originally by: Soulita Drat, another Split-Personality Pitty I cant do this sort of stuff you do, CCP would ban me instantly for griefplaying. I realy need to get some BoB friends. I got verification from CCP. THey said its a very low tactic and is looked down upon, but its 100% legal. And its not grief playing if you "Do it for isk" --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
Soulita	Posted - 2006.07.09 18:20:00 - [53] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Soulita Drat, another Split-Personality Pitty I cant do this sort of stuff you do, CCP would ban me instantly for griefplaying. I realy need to get some BoB friends. I got verification from CCP. THey said its a very low tactic and is looked down upon, but its 100% legal. And its not grief playing if you "Do it for isk" I did something for the isk and it was concidered griefplay. But I am not allowed to discuss this as you know, so I wont.
Double TaP	Posted - 2006.07.09 18:37:00 - [54] was a guy in otsasaii a while back, forgot his name, but he said up a POS with a bunch of guns, and he would ask for help with a mission or something and make a gang invite. the sheer number of people he brought to that pos and killed amazed me. i couldnt believe how many people would fall for it.
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 18:39:00 - [55] Originally by: Double TaP was a guy in otsasaii a while back, forgot his name, but he said up a POS with a bunch of guns, and he would ask for help with a mission or something and make a gang invite. the sheer number of people he brought to that pos and killed amazed me. i couldnt believe how many people would fall for it. Yeah. Beer N Kebabs, MAFIA, and S****dly have all done that too. It was so funny, tbh. Some nub goes 'Can you come guard my can while I get my hauler? It dropped 10mil trit and I dont want to leave it' omr some bull, and you join gang and get warped to a POS --------------------------- Originally by:** HippoKing ...I suck at forums
DeadRow	Posted - 2006.07.09 18:51:00 - [56] haha, funny stuff. Good job lofty CCP nerfed my sig: For the cool sig see here
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 18:55:00 - [57] Originally by: DeadRow haha, funny stuff. Good job lofty And I thought I would get flamed if I had the nads to post. Yeys --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
Sybilla Malheur	Posted - 2006.07.09 19:24:00 - [58] When the tables are turned: forum warrior > to the death? some dude > if youd like forum warrior > sure :) ...some haggling over rules.... forum warrior > there, 3km will do forum warrior > o.O forum warrior > Ok ok stop :D some dude > to the death you said forum warrior > Cmooon forum warrior > You win \o/ forum warrior > Please? :( forum warrior > 10m ransom? :) forum warrior > sigh ...explosions... Begging is unbecoming of a pirate.
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 19:31:00 - [59] Originally by: Sybilla Malheur When the tables are turned: forum warrior > to the death? some dude > if youd like forum warrior > sure :) ...some haggling over rules.... forum warrior > there, 3km will do forum warrior > o.O forum warrior > Ok ok stop :D some dude > to the death you said forum warrior > Cmooon forum warrior > You win \o/ forum warrior > Please? :( forum warrior > 10m ransom? :) forum warrior > sigh ...explosions... Begging is unbecoming of a pirate. Haha, I remember that good fight man. T2'd out cyclones are not to be messed with. Poor brutix. You gave me my loot back tho --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
Sybilla Malheur	Posted - 2006.07.09 19:40:00 - [60] While I don't approve of what you do, you are a good sport. It just saddens me that none of the carebears you've killed bother with revenge, all talk and no action.

lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 20:20:00 - [61] Originally by: Sybilla Malheur While I don't approve of what you do, you are a good sport. It just saddens me that none of the carebears you've killed bother with revenge, all talk and no action. It's rather funny actually. This is the 4th war threat I've received this month. They all came in the same way - I kill a corp member, they get angry and threaten to bring 10 battleships on me 24/7 and hunt me down. A few hours later or within the next few days I get told they dont want to anymore . I'd love for one of them to war declare me, just so that I can do and harrass their miners, mission ***s and NPCers, while staying elusive. It would be heaven --------------------------- Originally by:** HippoKing ...I suck at forums
Charvaka	Posted - 2006.07.09 20:37:00 - [62] Originally by: lofty29 Yes, it discourages people from helping one another. But it also teaches some newbies to fend for themselves, and stops them being so dependant on help. If you are doing these people a favor, then why would CCP consider it a low practice? What you are doing is killing weak newbies for fun--people who can't defend themselves or get revenge. Newbies will learn to fend for themselves, but they deserve a grace period to get to understand the game mechanics. It's true that you can earn isks by playing this way, but you can earn a lot more with behavior that doesn't involve giving weak players a bad experience.
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 20:43:00 - [63] Edited by: lofty29 on 09/07/2006 20:44:21 Its considered a low practice as it is basically a basic form of betrayal. Lying to someone. It is fun, yes, and I will not deny that. Its a sick kind of pleasure I get out of watching them squirm under my nos and ECM, helpless to defend themselves, and free for me to do as I like with them . Yes, you can make more ISK via other methods, but those other methods generally involve being extremely lucky (Faction loot from NPCs / PVP kills), or alot of tedious work (hauling, building, mining or trading). This way gives me a steady income AND fun. I'd consider it pretty decent. Today I went from 50m in the wallet to 220m. Not bad, IMO So, hate me if you wish. I don't hate you, and won't until you have done something to me. Hell, I dont even hate most of my victims. If they're nice to me I give back some of their ransom ISK. Its all your opinion, what you think of me. Just like it's my opinion that this is one of the best professions in eve! --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
BoinKlasik	Posted - 2006.07.09 20:44:00 - [64] Originally by: lofty29 Its considered a low practice as it is basically a basic form of betrayal. Lying to someone. It is fun, yes, and I will not deny that. Its a sick kind of pleasure I get out of watching them squirm under my nos and ECM, helpless to defend themselves, and free for me to do as I like with them . you rapist doh, I broke my edited sig :/ cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 20:45:00 - [65] Originally by: BoinKlasik Originally by: lofty29 Its considered a low practice as it is basically a basic form of betrayal. Lying to someone. It is fun, yes, and I will not deny that. Its a sick kind of pleasure I get out of watching them squirm under my nos and ECM, helpless to defend themselves, and free for me to do as I like with them . you rapist Why did I know someone would pick up on that --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
Cpt Placeholder	Posted - 2006.07.09 21:57:00 - [66] Originally by: lofty29 I already have some fame. I think you will find that the forum community likes me alot more, and you will probably just get flamed. Alot cute, looks like the forum whoring got you something after all at least deja has a backbone
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 22:00:00 - [67] Edited by: lofty29 on 09/07/2006 22:00:26 Originally by: Cpt Placeholder Originally by: lofty29 I already have some fame. I think you will find that the forum community likes me alot more, and you will probably just get flamed. Alot cute, looks like the forum whoring got you something after all at least deja has a backbone And a fairly big lighter. I do have a backbone, as I always say what I beleive. Not having a backbone is like changing what you say to suit what the majority is doing. When have I done that? Oh, and I copywrite this method of piracy as 'The Lofty MethodÖ'. AFAIK noone else has copywrited it! --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
Burnhard Brutor	Posted - 2006.07.09 22:02:00 - [68] Originally by: lofty29 It's rather funny actually. This is the 4th war threat I've received this month. They all came in the same way - I kill a corp member, they get angry and threaten to bring 10 battleships on me 24/7 and hunt me down. A few hours later or within the next few days I get told they dont want to anymore [:roll: . It's because you aren't worth the trouble for the damage you cause. People have better things to do with their game-time.
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 22:03:00 - [69] Edited by: lofty29 on 09/07/2006 22:04:31 Originally by: Burnhard Brutor Originally by: lofty29 It's rather funny actually. This is the 4th war threat I've received this month. They all came in the same way - I kill a corp member, they get angry and threaten to bring 10 battleships on me 24/7 and hunt me down. A few hours later or within the next few days I get told they dont want to anymore [:roll: . It's because you aren't worth the trouble for the damage you cause. People have better things to do with their game-time. Heheh, you got post number 69 And they probably do have better things to do. Every time they threaten war I just go 'Ok, I'll just evade you while doing my work, fly thoraxes which cost 2m to replace and kill as many of you as I can along the way. Kthnkxbye ' --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
Cpt Placeholder	Posted - 2006.07.09 22:06:00 - [70] in this case, not you but everyone whos trying to glorify (yes im exaggerating a bit) this method its obviously cheap

Zippy Pinno	Posted - 2006.07.09 22:06:00 - [71] Go Lofty - spice up the game. PS the gang pop-up does say the players corp is at war - guess you didnt read.
Burnhard Brutor	Posted - 2006.07.09 22:07:00 - [72] Originally by: lofty29 [ Heheh, you got post number 69 And they probably do have better things to do. Every time they threaten war I just go 'Ok, I'll just evade you while doing my work, fly thoraxes which cost 2m to replace and kill as many of you as I can along the way. Kthnkxbye ' Please try and restrain your enormous ego, grow up a little and post about your lame exploits in the correct forum.
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.09 22:09:00 - [73] Originally by: Burnhard Brutor Originally by: lofty29 [ Heheh, you got post number 69 And they probably do have better things to do. Every time they threaten war I just go 'Ok, I'll just evade you while doing my work, fly thoraxes which cost 2m to replace and kill as many of you as I can along the way. Kthnkxbye ' Please try and restrain your enormous ego, grow up a little and post about your lame exploits in the correct forum. I didnt start this thread, go moan at jaguar whathisface. And how was that showing my ego? I just stated what I do in war situations . And yeah, it is a cheap method. But the ransoms sure aint --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
PeeWee Pee	Posted - 2006.07.09 23:39:00 - [74] dude, all these forum whoring doesnt change the truth. you need a gimping. me thinks empire should be removed so we can gank noobs right in tutorial. that'll give them a good lesson. Originally by: Jaguar Dragon today LOFTY29 in his 1 man corp and a pirate.. with his alt LOFTERS in his 1 man corp.. who are at war with each other. played a little trick to get player kills in safe space. lofters a noob asks for help in gang. you join then warp to him.. then you met by others that lofters is at war with,, they shoot you and demand payment. this is likely legal, but lame low down playing. so i contact the all mighty LOFTY29 and threaten him with a war dec..lolol his response is.. he'll run to 0.0 this goes to show just how lame these pirates are. so i tell everyone to not join in gang with nobody . unless you know them well. or your own corp this is LOFTY29 and LOFTERS tactics. check my bio
irenecurie	Posted - 2006.07.09 23:46:00 - [75] TBH despite it being a legal tactic - you really are lame for doing this. I wonder whether you also try to chat them just after the invite then they reply press enter and enter gang without even realising? If you do i'm pretty sure thats classed as an exploit and wouldn't put it past you. Gang should also be changed so that when you are in a gang with someone who is at war the opposing corp appears flashing red as afaik you cant shoot at the opposite corp until they fire at you or preform a hostile act. At least people might realise quicker then, but your tactics really do suck. How about chnaging gang invites so you cannot invite someone into a gang if they are at war or invite non declared people into a gang if you are war decced. Its got to be the very lowest form of piracy and shows a lack of any morals whatsoever
PeeWee Pee	Posted - 2006.07.09 23:51:00 - [76] Originally by: irenecurie TBH despite it being a legal tactic - you really are lame for doing this. I wonder whether you also try to chat them just after the invite then they reply press enter and enter gang without even realising? If you do i'm pretty sure thats classed as an exploit and wouldn't put it past you. Gang should also be changed so that when you are in a gang with someone who is at war the opposing corp appears flashing red as afaik you cant shoot at the opposite corp until they fire at you or preform a hostile act. At least people might realise quicker then, but your tactics really do suck. How about chnaging gang invites so you cannot invite someone into a gang if they are at war or invite non declared people into a gang if you are war decced. Its got to be the very lowest form of piracy and shows a lack of any morals whatsoever some people cant be taught unless theyre griefed. these people have no business playing this game! there is no moral high ground for you.
Mysticaa	Posted - 2006.07.09 23:57:00 - [77] Originally by: PeeWee Pee some people cant be taught unless theyre griefed. these people have no business playing this game! there is no moral high ground for you. What right do you have to determine what game a person should be allowed to play. ----------------------------------------------- Why do I post here? Sig snatched by Xorus
Ozmodan	Posted - 2006.07.10 00:03:00 - [78] Ho hum, the lame invertabrate admits to his lameness. Lofty, paragraphs are your friend, most of us stopped reading after the first sentence....
Trek	Posted - 2006.07.10 00:10:00 - [79] Originally by: lofty29 Yeah, it was possible to shoot at gang members. Til people started doing it to newbies, heh. Isn't that strikingly similar to what you are doing right now? Ever thought that actions such as yours might cause CCP to change the mechanics so that it will be impossible to attack people ganged with a war-target? After all, it is quite valid to be able to attack said gang-mate sometimes. My guess is that there will be a lot of unhappy people if that change happens... --- My other ship is a Reaper
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.07.10 00:19:00 - [80] There is an explicit warning. Ignore at your peril. No need for any changes.

3rdoffive	Posted - 2006.07.10 00:25:00 - [81] can i join you lofty? i need more isk atm and mining isnt cutting it
Jakie	Posted - 2006.07.10 00:32:00 - [82] You really gotta love a guy who ganks noobs using T2 ships, T2 equipment, and T2 skills, game mechanics that guarantee him the first shot no matter WHAT the noob does, and then has the balls to come here and try and tell us that he is fighting "fair". And then, when faced with less then favorable odds in return, he says he will retreat to 0,0 because the other side is being "unfair". Lofty is a master at the "spin" game. Actually, though lofty is scum, the the true slime here are the losers who agree with his lame tactics. You guys are such class acts....
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.07.10 00:57:00 - [83] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: DeadRow haha, funny stuff. Good job lofty And I thought I would get flamed if I had the nads to post. Yeys Nads on the forum are all you have it seems?
Crowley	Posted - 2006.07.10 00:59:00 - [84]
Scythus Aratan	Posted - 2006.07.10 01:11:00 - [85] Lofty what's with this kill? Linkage
Leandro Salazar	Posted - 2006.07.10 01:23:00 - [86] Only real problem with this is that it is way too easy to accidentally accept an invitation while chatting. Default to 'no' or no focus for invitations 4tw! --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.07.10 01:28:00 - [87] Originally by: Jakie Actually, though lofty is scum, the the true slime here are the losers who agree with his lame tactics. You guys are such class acts.... Heh. Because ignoring a "you may be ganked" warning is SO smart.
Charvaka	Posted - 2006.07.10 02:31:00 - [88] Originally by: Maya Rkell Heh. Because ignoring a "you may be ganked" warning is SO smart. Much has been made of the fact that the newbies don't read or understand the significance of that popup. The fact is that you get a lot of popups in the interface, and new players who see an invitation to join a gang aren't yet familiar with the game mechanics. They may not know what a gang is or what the implication of joining a gang is. They may not know what happens when their ship gets destroyed. They may not understand the consequences of high and low security space very well yet. They may not know what a "war" is. They may not know what it means to join a gang. And, for many players, they may not understand English very well, which would make the popup all the more puzzling. I could go on, but the cowardliness of this kind of bullying behavior is what upsets people the most. That is why CCP called it "low practice". Technically, newbie ganking in high sec may not be considered 'griefing' by CCP, because there is that popup warning. But Lofty clearly gets great pleasure out of victimizing helpless people who can be gulled into trusting him. He tries to dress it up as justifiable in the context of Eve, but even he describes his pleasure as "sick". Role-playing games are just games, but they also reveal something about our real selves in how we choose to play our roles. Shameful behavior isn't funny in play or in real life. It's just shameful.
Saffron Amarria	Posted - 2006.07.10 03:30:00 - [89] Lofty is scum, pure and simple. These tactics ruin the MMOG aspect of Eve. Unless you are in a corp with lots of (nearby) members, you will be forced to play solo because of people abusing the game mechanics like this (no one trusts anyone for groups). This garbage irks me especially because I came to Eve Online with 3 other friends. I am the only one left as the rest have departed over frustration regarding things just like is being described in this thread. CCP should fix this grouping problem. The fact that one is grouped should not override the security rating of a system. If someone attacks a ship in their group and the sec is .5+, concord should be all over them. Honestly CCP, what are you thinking?
eLLioTT wave	Posted - 2006.07.10 05:18:00 - [90] tbh this high sec ganking needs to stop. It is like commiting crimes in front of a police station, even if you are technically innocent, they still arrest you if you involved

Ann Mari	Posted - 2006.07.10 09:49:00 - [91] To the op: Just petition it under exploit and have the GMs deal with him. ///End "There can be no justice, if rules are absolute" "The enemy of my enemy, is my friend"
Fritz theCat	Posted - 2006.07.10 10:10:00 - [92] It's the fact that this uses ingame mechanics which is supposed to justify the obvious logic flaw that's making me look at other newer mmorpg's. I think it's sad, not lofty29 as such, but the fact that this kind of thing is ever increasingly becoming more popular. As the guy himself admits, he makes a hell of a lot of ISK out of it I did like the bit about the "close" fight with a new player though. Almost makes you think the victims stands a chance. But this is what people really want - no risk, maximum reward. Obviously all new players should read Chapter 6 paragraph 2 of the Eve Capsuleers handbook where it clearly explains the rules on gangs. Also you shouldn't undock before memorising Chapter 8 paragraph 7 which details explicitly the mechanics on can flagging. For further reading it is advisable you read Chapter 11 paragraph 2 which gives advanced knowledge on support vessels and aggression flags when in corp, gang or at war. Anyone who hasn't done this is obviously an utter moron and deserves to die. Fortunately so many don't which is why we see these posts regularly and why a constant stream of new people fall for the same lame scams. Guess this makes Eve the game where utter morons hang out
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.07.10 10:22:00 - [93] hey utter mor*ns actualy teach a valuable lesson its called dont trust idiots in oursalruet oh and darwin selection at work as well.
Rashmika Clavain	Posted - 2006.07.10 12:51:00 - [94] Edited by: Rashmika Clavain on 10/07/2006 12:53:27 As distasteful as it is, nothing wrong has been done here. You do get a warning that the other player is in a corp whihc is at war. If you agree to join a strangers group and ignore that message you're fair game.
Fritz theCat	Posted - 2006.07.10 13:06:00 - [95] Originally by: Rashmika Clavain Edited by: Rashmika Clavain on 10/07/2006 12:53:27 As distasteful as it is, nothing wrong has been done here. You do get a warning that the other player is in a corp whihc is at war. If you agree to join a strangers group and ignore that message you're fair game. QFT. Nowhere in the manual does it say that just because 2 corps are at war they have to fight each other. Infact, the first thing you should think is "is this a scam where 1 guy actually has a char in both of those 'warring' corps to trick me into a legitimate fight without CONCORD intervention, thus defeating their very purpose?" anything else is incredibly stupid and you should quit the game and go forth and stand in the corner of shame for all of eternity.
Bhaal	Posted - 2006.07.10 14:22:00 - [96] What a lame way to play the game... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Melayu Terakhir	Posted - 2006.07.10 14:33:00 - [97] What I dont understand is, why would a n00b pay ransom? A n00b has little to lose when get podded.. no implant, cheap clone, skills most likely up to date since little has been learned anyway. If a 'n00b' has super expensive implants or factions stuff.. then I dont think he is qualified to be called a n00b anymore. If he is not a n00b, then it is his naiveness that got him killed. I still despise liars and people who are taking advantage of other people's kindness or naiveness though. Shame on you.
Vice Royy	Posted - 2006.07.10 15:00:00 - [98] Originally by: lofty29 Edited by: lofty29 on 09/07/2006 15:12:57 Yep. I do this. Yep, I make a bloody lot of ISK off of this. Now, lets get a few things straight here... He says 'They' Will gank you, and that there are many of us. There is just one of me. I work alone and that is it. Working in groups of 2 looses me ISK, 50% of it infact. Also, it stops me from getting any security status hits, and is enjoyable. I always try to make the fights evenly matched. For example, if against a battleship, I will fly a HAC or a Battlecruiser. If against a battlecruiser, I will fly a cruiser. If against a cruiser, a frigate or an interceptor. For example, just now I finished a fight with a dominix pilot. While relatively new to the game, he put up an extremely good fight for my ishtar. His ogre drones where doing crazy amounts of damage and I think he had an ECM backup array, or I had the wrong ECM on (<- probably that one ). I had to nos him to keep my feeble tank running, and pick off each of his drones 1 by 1, while contesting his smartbombs. It was one helluva fight, and I wish I frapsed it now And when I got round to ransoming, he said he didnt have the ISK. Having delt with people like this before, I can usually tell if theyre lying or not. He said he had 15m so I settled for that instead of the 30 and didn't kill him because he didnt have the money. I only do that if they really **** me off He says 'I will run to 0.0' as my response. Yes, I said this. But - He said that I must pay him 100m or his corp will hunt me down and kill me with their battleships. I actually said that I will go to 0.0 and play with friends while the war is ongoing, so that the fights are evenly matched. A 60 man corp versus me doesnt seem fair, tbh, so Im evening the odds by getting old friends in syndicate to join in . And yes, noone should join a gang with a stranger. Tres dangereux! And despite many people going 'OMFG LOFTY29 AND LOFTERS R TEH GANKING PIRATES!!' in oursulaert local, I still manage to net the kills. This will hardly do much And <3 HK Youre really are man with balls to kill some noobs in empire space. Im impresed. Im sure youre happy with your 'kills'. Youre realy sad and simple man.
Eilene Fernite	Posted - 2006.07.10 15:16:00 - [99] Edited by: Eilene Fernite on 10/07/2006 15:17:17 These tactics don't necesarily have to be used in a 'lame' way. Sitting outside the school in Chaven, popping noobs when they take from a can you dropped is lame. Using Lofty's tactics and popping 2 week old chars in rifters just because you can, is lame. Doing it to make a profit though, is a different story. You don't get rich from ransoming little frigs. In order to make some money off ransoms, you need to go after bigger fish. Either players in bigger ships, or players with a head full of implants. In any case, players who shouldn't be noobs anymore, and who should know better. So one the one hand, you have a smart player, who uses game mechanics to his advantage, and preys on the stupidity of others. On the other hand you have the guy in a faction fitted raven, who ignores the warning the game sends him, and then gets popped. Who's to blame? The hardened criminal who is using the mazes in the law to scra.pe together a living, or the guy who's just flying around fat, dumb and happy, grinding day after day to get more isk to buy even more expensive stuff that he doesn't know how to use, all the time forgetting that space is a dangerous place if you don't pay attention? I realize there's quite a bit of grey area between noobs in Velators and carebears in faction fitted Ravens, just attempted to show there's two sides of the medal, even in this case.
Locke DieDrake	Posted - 2006.07.10 15:16:00 - [100] What a pathetic tactic. Made all the more pathetic by the fools that fall for it. Lofty- Anytime you grow a pair, feel free to head up to DEK or TRIBUTE and I'll be happy to show you a good time. Nubs- Stop falling for this stupid crap. If the profit dries up, he won't do it anymore. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________

lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.10 15:45:00 - [101] Originally by: Scythus Aratan Lofty what's with this kill? Linkage An event actor terrorising oursulaert. Poor thing --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.10 15:48:00 - [102] Originally by: irenecurie TBH despite it being a legal tactic - you really are lame for doing this. I wonder whether you also try to chat them just after the invite then they reply press enter and enter gang without even realising? If you do i'm pretty sure thats classed as an exploit and wouldn't put it past you. Noope. I start a conversation with them way before, and they willingly accept the gang invite. Im gonna answers everyones questions now and reply to what people have said. --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
Kylania	Posted - 2006.07.10 15:49:00 - [103] Originally by: Eilene Fernite Doing it to make a profit though, is a different story. You don't get rich from ransoming little frigs. In order to make some money off ransoms, you need to go after bigger fish. Either players in bigger ships, or players with a head full of implants. In any case, players who shouldn't be noobs anymore, and who should know better. But that would involve risk. -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap \| Visual Building Guide (Both work in game too!)
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.10 15:50:00 - [104] Originally by: Trek Originally by: lofty29 Yeah, it was possible to shoot at gang members. Til people started doing it to newbies, heh. Isn't that strikingly similar to what you are doing right now? Ever thought that actions such as yours might cause CCP to change the mechanics so that it will be impossible to attack people ganged with a war-target? After all, it is quite valid to be able to attack said gang-mate sometimes. My guess is that there will be a lot of unhappy people if that change happens... Yes, It's extremely similar to what I am doing now. Attacking players, of whom alot are new. Experienced players just do not fall for my trap often enough to bother. The only difference between me and the nub gankers is that they where 1 day old nubs, and flying velators. Those people do it for fun. I do it because it's a viable to make ISK. Do you have any idea how boring it is waiting an hour for a viable target, just to loose them and wait another hour? --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.10 15:52:00 - [105] Originally by: Jakie You really gotta love a guy who ganks noobs using T2 ships, T2 equipment, and T2 skills, game mechanics that guarantee him the first shot no matter WHAT the noob does, and then has the balls to come here and try and tell us that he is fighting "fair". And then, when faced with less then favorable odds in return, he says he will retreat to 0,0 because the other side is being "unfair". Lofty is a master at the "spin" game. Actually, though lofty is scum, the the true slime here are the losers who agree with his lame tactics. You guys are such class acts.... As Ive said before, I try to match my ship to the target, to make it a slightly interesting fight. I will admit, that no I do not generally fight fair as I am in this to make ISK. So bringing a velator to fight a brutix doesnt seem logical if I have the choice between that and an ECM Ishtar, does it --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.10 15:53:00 - [106] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: DeadRow haha, funny stuff. Good job lofty And I thought I would get flamed if I had the nads to post. Yeys Nads on the forum are all you have it seems? I said, that if you want a 1v1 you're very welcome to it. I just dont really feel like taking on a 60 man corp solo, or the mercenary coalition when you said you would dec me. --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.10 15:55:00 - [107] Originally by: Saffron Amarria Lofty is scum, pure and simple. These tactics ruin the MMOG aspect of Eve. Unless you are in a corp with lots of (nearby) members, you will be forced to play solo because of people abusing the game mechanics like this (no one trusts anyone for groups). This garbage irks me especially because I came to Eve Online with 3 other friends. I am the only one left as the rest have departed over frustration regarding things just like is being described in this thread. CCP should fix this grouping problem. The fact that one is grouped should not override the security rating of a system. If someone attacks a ship in their group and the sec is .5+, concord should be all over them. Honestly CCP, what are you thinking? Eve isn't a standard 'Everyone love eachother and be on the same team' MMO. It is different and proud. The fact that it allows piracy and extremely 'low' tactics is what makes it incredibly popular. Saying that I am scum is quite bad, as you do not even know me. I would probably make ISK another way, if I could find a way more profitable and fun, which I personally can't. --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.10 15:58:00 - [108] Originally by: Melayu Terakhir What I dont understand is, why would a n00b pay ransom? A n00b has little to lose when get podded.. no implant, cheap clone, skills most likely up to date since little has been learned anyway. If a 'n00b' has super expensive implants or factions stuff.. then I dont think he is qualified to be called a n00b anymore. If he is not a n00b, then it is his naiveness that got him killed. I still despise liars and people who are taking advantage of other people's kindness or naiveness though. Shame on you. A noob will pay ransom as it saves him ISK. I generally ransom for the insurance cost of the ships (BC - 10m / BS - 30m) as this will stop them going 'OMFG WTF NO TOO MUCH!!' and closing the conversations. Yes, I am taking advantage of other people's kindness. Yes, it is a harsh tactic. No, I do not particularly care, as I probably enjoy my way of making ISK more than you enjoy yours --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.10 16:00:00 - [109] Originally by: Kylania Originally by: Eilene Fernite Doing it to make a profit though, is a different story. You don't get rich from ransoming little frigs. In order to make some money off ransoms, you need to go after bigger fish. Either players in bigger ships, or players with a head full of implants. In any case, players who shouldn't be noobs anymore, and who should know better. But that would involve risk. People have go tthe wrong impression. I don't ransom frigs, no ISK in that. I ransom battlecruisers and above. A frigate is no use to me - woo, 5k ransom, yey. The kills of frigates or cruisers are where the pilots have changed ships. --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.10 16:01:00 - [110] Originally by: Locke DieDrake What a pathetic tactic. Made all the more pathetic by the fools that fall for it. Lofty- Anytime you grow a pair, feel free to head up to DEK or TRIBUTE and I'll be happy to show you a good time. Gropes his groin Oh theres a pair right there now. I still dont feel to head up to Dek or Tribute, as on the way im probably 95% likely to meet a gatecamp or a roming gank squad. Sure, if you want to come to oursulaert and fight, why not? --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums

lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.10 16:04:00 - [111] Originally by: Eilene Fernite So one the one hand, you have a smart player, who uses game mechanics to his advantage, and preys on the stupidity of others. On the other hand you have the guy in a faction fitted raven, who ignores the warning the game sends him, and then gets popped. Who's to blame? The hardened criminal who is using the mazes in the law to scra.pe together a living, or the guy who's just flying around fat, dumb and happy, grinding day after day to get more isk to buy even more expensive stuff that he doesn't know how to use, all the time forgetting that space is a dangerous place if you don't pay attention? That is exactly the kind of player which I prey on. I mean, it says 'Gang Warning, You Can be Shot' and quite a few of my 'Targets' read this, and I congratulate them and explain what has happened if they do. If they haven't, I go on the fact that it is their fault that they did not read it. More fool them --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
RemusIII	Posted - 2006.07.10 16:23:00 - [112] Interesting topic...hope it goes on
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.10 16:29:00 - [113] Originally by: RemusIII Interesting topic...hope it goes on Same! Its fun to reply to people with the truth and watch them shut up. Just like the OP has --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.10 16:37:00 - [114] Seven posts in a row... lofty, you lose the forums for today
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.10 16:52:00 - [115] Edited by: lofty29 on 10/07/2006 16:52:41 Originally by: HippoKing Seven posts in a row... lofty, you lose the forums for today I was doing a you - answering to all the people who've replied since I was last on And its 8 --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
Antaris Xenal	Posted - 2006.07.10 16:56:00 - [116] GO LOFTY!! lol, I used to this with him awhile back, was quite fun for awhile actually :) but when we did it together it was just total gankage.
Plutoinum	Posted - 2006.07.10 17:04:00 - [117] The good thing about these newbie mistakes is that you don't do them twice. You suffer a bit temporarily, but after sometime the loss usually doesn't mean much anymore. You have a new ship, the frustration is forgotten and you have learned something valuable. It's not only that you learn to avoid this mistake in the future, you also learn that you can recover from such an incident and that it probably takes more than one evil 'butthead' (sorry, not meant serious ) to ruin the game totally for you.
Galk	Posted - 2006.07.10 17:04:00 - [118] Heheh I rode past this guy with 15 billions worth of prints in my enyo the other day (ours fed 3) He doesn't invite 3 year old characters thankfully Had i been typing in another window, i might have accepted by total accident. ______ Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free. We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.10 17:14:00 - [119] Originally by: Plutoinum The good thing about these newbie mistakes is that you don't do them twice. You suffer a bit temporarily, but after sometime the loss usually doesn't mean much anymore. You have a new ship, the frustration is forgotten and you have learned something valuable. It's not only that you learn to avoid this mistake in the future, you also learn that you can recover from such an incident and that it probably takes more than one evil 'butthead' (sorry, not meant serious ) to ruin the game totally for you. The butthead thing is a compliment compared to what people have been saying in here . And about the blueprints, I'm pretty sure that aloot of people have flown past. I dont even have frigates or elite frigates on my alt's overveiw. (And I dont spam out gang invites either, theyre tactically picked and worked towards ) --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
Galk	Posted - 2006.07.10 17:42:00 - [120] Originally by: lofty29 tactically picked 2-3 weeks old? Maybe a month ______ Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free. We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran

lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.10 17:46:00 - [121] Originally by: Galk Originally by: lofty29 tactically picked 2-3 weeks old? Maybe a month Rarely. Usually early 2006. I usually pick between October 05 and March 06, to be sure they have ISK and wont omgwtfbbq me --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
Antaris Xenal	Posted - 2006.07.10 18:06:00 - [122] Lofty is just tired of blob wars and ganks. He is now using this as a way to find new targets in suprising fittings and situations. It is always fun fighting random people in the middle of a system with 340++ people in it.
PeeWee Pee	Posted - 2006.07.10 18:58:00 - [123] Originally by: eLLioTT wave tbh this high sec ganking needs to stop. It is like commiting crimes in front of a police station, even if you are technically innocent, they still arrest you if you involved sayz who you ?
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.10 19:00:00 - [124] Edited by: lofty29 on 10/07/2006 19:02:48 Originally by: Antaris Xenal Lofty is just tired of blob wars and ganks. He is now using this as a way to find new targets in suprising fittings and situations. It is always fun fighting random people in the middle of a system with 340++ people in it. Far too true. It also gives me a sort of testing ground for weird fittings. Like...nos-brutix's Originally by: PeeWee Pee Originally by: eLLioTT wave tbh this high sec ganking needs to stop. It is like commiting crimes in front of a police station, even if you are technically innocent, they still arrest you if you involved sayz who you ? And, I have to agree with Elliott here. Apart from the 'has to stop' part. It is like doing it infront of the police station, and is a bit stupid. But the look on peoples faces when they call in friends, only to have their friend concordokkend! Oooooh the joy! --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
Antaris Xenal	Posted - 2006.07.10 19:14:00 - [125] Nos-brutix? XD Maybe it works but I wouldn't try it except against a corpmate.
Vice Royy	Posted - 2006.07.10 19:50:00 - [126] This guy will write a lot on this topic and hes so sad with his way of thinking... Try to fight good PvP players rather than noobs in Oursulaert.
Hurtie	Posted - 2006.07.10 19:59:00 - [127] There's always that one guy who exploits loopholes to get some unsporting advantage. The lame part about this bottom-feeding tactic is that the victim cannot get any revenge. This is a broken game mechanic and bad coding on the part of CCP. It's always nice to see the integrity of the Eve community shining through.
Locke DieDrake	Posted - 2006.07.10 20:05:00 - [128] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Locke DieDrake What a pathetic tactic. Made all the more pathetic by the fools that fall for it. Lofty- Anytime you grow a pair, feel free to head up to DEK or TRIBUTE and I'll be happy to show you a good time. Gropes his groin Oh theres a pair right there now. I still dont feel to head up to Dek or Tribute, as on the way im probably 95% likely to meet a gatecamp or a roming gank squad. Sure, if you want to come to oursulaert and fight, why not? I don't shoot people in empire. Empire is for shoping. And gankers, apperently. But hey, next time I'm in the area, I'll be sure and stop in. At the very least I can watch you and see if you are half as honorable as you claim. It's ammusing to me that you claim honor in your fights but you use a dishonorable way to entrap people into your fights. Why not advertise 1v1 combat? I'm certain there are people that would take you up on it. Of course, at that point, you might end up in a fair fight. God forbid. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Drilla	Posted - 2006.07.10 20:26:00 - [129] Cant stop laughing at the noob that tells him to 'run to 0.0' - that's the funniest thing I've heard in a week or two! Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
Antaris Xenal	Posted - 2006.07.10 20:44:00 - [130] Originally by: Locke DieDrake Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Locke DieDrake What a pathetic tactic. Made all the more pathetic by the fools that fall for it. Lofty- Anytime you grow a pair, feel free to head up to DEK or TRIBUTE and I'll be happy to show you a good time. Gropes his groin Oh theres a pair right there now. I still dont feel to head up to Dek or Tribute, as on the way im probably 95% likely to meet a gatecamp or a roming gank squad. Sure, if you want to come to oursulaert and fight, why not? I don't shoot people in empire. Empire is for shoping. And gankers, apperently. But hey, next time I'm in the area, I'll be sure and stop in. At the very least I can watch you and see if you are half as honorable as you claim. It's ammusing to me that you claim honor in your fights but you use a dishonorable way to entrap people into your fights. Why not advertise 1v1 combat? I'm certain there are people that would take you up on it. Of course, at that point, you might end up in a fair fight. God forbid. Have you ever tried to find a fight in oursulaert? NO ONE FIGHTS they are all pansies and scared to go into a fight it seems like. Believe me, I have advertised 1v1 fights before and no one accepts my offer.

Prestis	Posted - 2006.07.10 20:52:00 - [131] Just like hi-sec suicide-piracy, people keep trying to play up the "picking on n00bs, oh no they'll quit!" angle when actually it's naive Billionare `Bears that are the main targets.
Arkani Gera	Posted - 2006.07.10 21:08:00 - [132] Originally by: Trek Originally by: lofty29 Yeah, it was possible to shoot at gang members. Til people started doing it to newbies, heh. Isn't that strikingly similar to what you are doing right now? Ever thought that actions such as yours might cause CCP to change the mechanics so that it will be impossible to attack people ganged with a war-target? After all, it is quite valid to be able to attack said gang-mate sometimes. My guess is that there will be a lot of unhappy people if that change happens... i'm not aware if you know this, but there is no way of telling if someone is ganged with a wartarget of yours unless you have an alt/spy in said gang, this simple bug/feature makes the viability of the initial feature next to none except for such tactics... OMGYES! in the same corp as Zola again! \o/ The corp is mother, the corp is father.
Locke DieDrake	Posted - 2006.07.10 21:27:00 - [133] Originally by: Antaris Xenal Originally by: Locke DieDrake Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Locke DieDrake What a pathetic tactic. Made all the more pathetic by the fools that fall for it. Lofty- Anytime you grow a pair, feel free to head up to DEK or TRIBUTE and I'll be happy to show you a good time. Gropes his groin Oh theres a pair right there now. I still dont feel to head up to Dek or Tribute, as on the way im probably 95% likely to meet a gatecamp or a roming gank squad. Sure, if you want to come to oursulaert and fight, why not? I don't shoot people in empire. Empire is for shoping. And gankers, apperently. But hey, next time I'm in the area, I'll be sure and stop in. At the very least I can watch you and see if you are half as honorable as you claim. It's ammusing to me that you claim honor in your fights but you use a dishonorable way to entrap people into your fights. Why not advertise 1v1 combat? I'm certain there are people that would take you up on it. Of course, at that point, you might end up in a fair fight. God forbid. Have you ever tried to find a fight in oursulaert? NO ONE FIGHTS they are all pansies and scared to go into a fight it seems like. Believe me, I have advertised 1v1 fights before and no one accepts my offer. I haven't actually. Where I live, the fights come looking for me. And I rarely find myself board. When I spent more time in empire, I used to 1v1 in my caracall to anyone that wanted to. I mostly lost, being a nub and all, but thats fine because the point is the fight. I got alot of experiance that way, and it's been valuable out in 0.0. That being said, if people don't want to fight, what makes you think it's ok to trick them into it? ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Alaskan1	Posted - 2006.07.10 21:36:00 - [134] Edited by: Alaskan1 on 10/07/2006 21:42:02
Trek	Posted - 2006.07.10 21:38:00 - [135] Originally by: Arkani Gera i'm not aware if you know this, but there is no way of telling if someone is ganged with a wartarget of yours unless you have an alt/spy in said gang, this simple bug/feature makes the viability of the initial feature next to none except for such tactics... No I did not know that! I haven't really given it much thought, guess I assumed they would show up as war targets on the overview or something. Suppose it works the other way around too, so that the unknowing gang-mate has no idea there is someone who can shoot at him as much as he wants... Not untill he is fired upon that is! I agree that it sounds like a rather useless feature as it stands today. --- My other ship is a Reaper
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.07.10 21:38:00 - [136] Originally by: AceOfSpace Mmh. Annoys me how despite being cowardly, nasty, unsporting etc, this kind of thing gets some vocal support from the self-righteous pvp brigade I agree. Its a lame tactic, it works because people don't know the mechanics of the game. Hopefully they will learn and never join a warring gang that they aren't familiar with again. There will always be new players which means there will always be food for this wolf. It is funny to see the mighty forum warriors gang up with this lamer.
Arkani Gera	Posted - 2006.07.10 21:39:00 - [137] Originally by: Locke DieDrake That being said, if people don't want to fight, what makes you think it's ok to trick them into it? the fact that you can? it's a battle of wits, are you smart enough to trick them or are they smart enough to see through your trickery? OMGYES! in the same corp as Zola again! \o/ The corp is mother, the corp is father.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.10 21:40:00 - [138] Originally by: Alaskan1 test http://www.dotgig.com/alaskan1/Corp%20Sig.jpg ever considered we have a experiments forum for a reason?
Arkani Gera	Posted - 2006.07.10 21:41:00 - [139] Originally by: Trek No I did not know that! I haven't really given it much thought, guess I assumed they would show up as war targets on the overview or something. Suppose it works the other way around too, so that the unknowing gang-mate has no idea there is someone who can shoot at him as much as he wants... Not untill he is fired upon that is! I agree that it sounds like a rather useless feature as it stands today. it works the other way around aswell, but since you get the warning of the "gang member at war" which contains the corporations they are at war with, you have a better chance at figuring out who has the right to fire upon you... OMGYES! in the same corp as Zola again! \o/ The corp is mother, the corp is father.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.07.10 22:00:00 - [140] Originally by: lofty29 I said, that if you want a 1v1 you're very welcome to it. I just dont really feel like taking on a 60 man corp solo, or the mercenary coalition when you said you would dec me. Sweet, name the time and place, no EW in arranged matchups I assume? Also, I assume you mean BS 1v1? You can fight my alt if you choose, she has 15mill SP less than me. Finlly, I've been careful not to insinuate the MC will come after you. I've just been voicing my own distaste for your methods.

Jakie	Posted - 2006.07.10 22:03:00 - [141] Edited by: Jakie on 10/07/2006 22:04:47 Rarely. Usually early 2006. I usually pick between October 05 and March 06, to be sure they have ISK and wont omgwtfbbq me Here's he confirms the point I made. He doesn't go after anyone who has a chance of beating his T2 ship/equiptment/skills. He only picks people he KNOWS don't have the ship/equiptment/skills to fight him. So all his talk about it being a "fair" 1 on 1 fight is bullcrap. Lofty is good at the spin. And the real N00bs here are the ones falling for it. Lofty picks his targets to be sure they are just old enough to be able to have made some isk, but not old enough to have any real clue as to what they are doing. I remember similar arguements in other games. Just because the game mechanics allow you to do something doesn't make it any less of a loser tactic. Just as you can spawn camp in other games, doesn't mean that your rep is going anywhere but to the crapper for using that tactic. Sorry Lofty, put any spin you want on it, it's lame, everyone knows it''s lame, and you are killing your rep doing it. Be used to being known as a loser. You will be remembered that way for a long time. P.S. And those of you thinking you will get a 1on1 fight from him? You don't seriously think he will actually fight you if you show up with even odds do you?
Siigari Kitawa	Posted - 2006.07.10 22:05:00 - [142] Originally by: Jakie post what. the. hell. _____ www.siigarikitawa.com CEO and Fleet Admiral of HelpCorp United
Sm0kE	Posted - 2006.07.10 22:49:00 - [143] I'll take you on 1 v 1. ------------------------------------------------
Novarei	Posted - 2006.07.10 22:52:00 - [144] Originally by: lofty29 I always try to make the fights evenly matched. For example, if against a battleship, I will fly a HAC or a Battlecruiser. If against a battlecruiser, I will fly a cruiser. If against a cruiser, a frigate or an interceptor. looks at killboard Someone's telling porkies. --------------------
Gina Baldur	Posted - 2006.07.10 23:52:00 - [145] Originally by: Novarei Originally by: lofty29 I always try to make the fights evenly matched. For example, if against a battleship, I will fly a HAC or a Battlecruiser. If against a battlecruiser, I will fly a cruiser. If against a cruiser, a frigate or an interceptor. looks at killboard Someone's telling porkies. That must be his ebil alt, lofty is always truthfull I am the most pretty exclamation mark you will ever see!
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.07.11 00:19:00 - [146] Originally by: Gina Baldur Originally by: Novarei Originally by: lofty29 I always try to make the fights evenly matched. For example, if against a battleship, I will fly a HAC or a Battlecruiser. If against a battlecruiser, I will fly a cruiser. If against a cruiser, a frigate or an interceptor. looks at killboard Someone's telling porkies. That must be his ebil alt, lofty is always truthfull pwnd lol
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.07.11 00:22:00 - [147] Originally by: Sm0kE I'll take you on 1 v 1. The offer was to me, I accepted. Back of the line slave boy
Sm0kE	Posted - 2006.07.11 00:31:00 - [148] Edited by: Sm0kE on 11/07/2006 00:32:01 Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Sm0kE I'll take you on 1 v 1. The offer was to me, I accepted. Back of the line slave boy Classic Minni responce: You're just jealous of my shades. ------------------------------------------------
Major Death	Posted - 2006.07.11 14:07:00 - [149] This sort of newbie bashing, and hiding behind a game 'quirk' to avoid retribution gives real Pirates a bad name. Real pirates might avoid a æfairÆ fight, but at least they are honest about it, and donÆt abuse the game mechanics to achieve it.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.11 14:09:00 - [150] Originally by: Major Death This sort of newbie bashing, and hiding behind a game 'quirk' to avoid retribution gives real Pirates a bad name. Real pirates might avoid a æfairÆ fight, but at least they are honest about it, and donÆt abuse the game mechanics to achieve it. This is a game mechanic. Thats why there is a big box saying "OMG YOU COULD GET GANKED!" or something very similar.

Hal2	Posted - 2006.07.11 14:43:00 - [151] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Sm0kE I'll take you on 1 v 1. The offer was to me, I accepted. Back of the line slave boy Fraps it please I like to see losers like this taken down... ===============================================
Gothikia	Posted - 2006.07.11 15:02:00 - [152] haha, lofty ftw Regeneration - Homosexuals more than welcome!
Valerya	Posted - 2006.07.11 15:13:00 - [153] This is an excellent display of the ah so wonderful Eve community. If this trend continues you can expect Eve to share the same fate as DAoC Mordred.
PeeWee Pee	Posted - 2006.07.11 15:22:00 - [154] Originally by: Valerya This is an excellent display of the ah so wonderful Eve community. If this trend continues you can expect Eve to share the same fate as DAoC Mordred. sorry to burst ya bubble, madam. daoc and shadowbane failed coz they tried to cater to carebears. pvp games should stay pvp. you try to wanna be pve it ends up phissing both parties off. ccp is smart they will take a side.
Valerya	Posted - 2006.07.11 15:43:00 - [155] DAoC Mordred was killed by its own playerbase and not by Mythic. And certainly not because they tried to "cater to the carebears". People were simply fed up with the ganker squads and the "pwned j00" attitude and left. Now you have the occasional Mord poster on the general boards begging people to "come and play" on their rotten server again. And Eve is heading into the same direction.
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.11 15:46:00 - [156] Originally by: M1A1Abram Its about time i spoke, all people in this forum, i was the one that was tricked into Lofty29's gang and traped, whch then cause my Corp CEO to create this topic, What lofty did was not one of the most moral things in this game but it, if CCP can see this and doesnt do anything about it its alright with me. But, what lofty claims as a "fair fight" is total bull***, he only looks at it by ship size* and type, and although I was in a Raven, and he was in a Gardian Vexor i believe, however, he luered me in with his alt claim that he needed help with a misson, so i fit my Raven out for a level 2 kill mission : a coulple launchers and shield hardeners and this is what confuses people right here, when he did send the gang invite, a popup did come up, but popups always come up when you gang with some-one that isnt in your address book it said "warning you are about to gang up with some one that isn in your address book, if there corp is at war(notice the word "if"), you may be attacked by the corperation they're at war with",the popup window does not say they are at war, it just tells you what could happen if the corps were at war, but i warp into his alts area and he instantly jamming and nosing me AND has 5 or 7 drones on me (i cant remember if they were hevys or sentry), i maybe got 2 volleys of torps off, then he brings me about 20% or 30% structure and asks for 30 milloin isk, which i only had 17 million at the time, so i gave him 17 mill and and he told me to leave so fair fight my ass Well hi there! Ok, so lets clarify things here I counted the number of torps that hit me per volley you did, of the 5 which hit me. You had 6 torp launchers on, and each volley took me out quite a way. I got taken to 1/4 shield in the first volley, and half armor in the second. At this point I decided to jam you. I wasn't flying a guardian vexor, it was an Ishtar. A guardian vexor is about 10x the price and would get wtfbbqpwned by an ishtar. I had out 5 heavy drones, all doing thermal, which is fair. Yes they do the most damage, but in oursulaert, the rats are serpentis so you would be tanking for thermal. Secondly, if you saw that, and read that, why would you have gone ahead anyway? The popup that comes up when my alt invited you to a gang says 'Join Warring Gang?' and then the same thing afterwards. Also, don't whine about me charging 17m ISK. I could have blown you up there and then but because of your character age, I chose not to as the loot would likely not have been very worthwhile. And to 'fair fight my ass' - It was a fair fight. You put up alot of competition, and I was worried about dying until my jammers kicked in. I was nearly bricking myself, as the ishtar is relatively new and I am relatively poor at the moment Oh well. Say as you wish. --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.11 15:47:00 - [157] Originally by: Valerya People were simply fed up with the ganker squads and the "pwned j00" attitude and left. People still play WoW --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.11 15:49:00 - [158] Originally by: Major Death This sort of newbie bashing, and hiding behind a game 'quirk' to avoid retribution gives real Pirates a bad name. Real pirates might avoid a æfairÆ fight, but at least they are honest about it, and donÆt abuse the game mechanics to achieve it. I'm being honest about it. Why does doing this make me any different to say, pirates using POS's to their advantage, or...lying to a newbie to get them to a planet / belt? --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.11 15:52:00 - [159] Originally by: Valerya This is an excellent display of the ah so wonderful Eve community. If this trend continues you can expect Eve to share the same fate as DAoC Mordred. EvE is not going to go down the pan due to me, and probably a few copy-cats after this thread, ganking a few 'newbies' in oursulaert. I've done this to maybe 500 targets, 1/500th of the playerbase. I'm sure that out of those 500, under 10, if even that, have left the game due to it. People in eve adapt, because they can and will. Eve gives you freedom, but in DAoC you were stuck to fighting in the pre-set ways. There are no loopholes to have fun with. And the line between friend and foe is a very distinct one. Here, I have just rubbed it out with paint-thinner and a scouring pad. --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
Major Death	Posted - 2006.07.11 16:07:00 - [160] Quote: This is a game mechanic. Thats why there is a big box saying "OMG YOU COULD GET GANKED!" or something very similar. To a newbie player the warning is not exactly clear. Of course a what point one stops being a newbie who is being exploited and instead becomes a n00b who is to stupid to bother reading the warning is another matter. Quote: I'm being honest about it. Why does doing this make me any different to say, pirates using POS's to their advantage, or...lying to a newbie to get them to a planet / belt? Because that happens in low sec or 0.0 space, so there is a better understanding of the risks, and players get several official warnings about lower sec space. In this case people are in high sec and being hit using a (to them at least) weird game mechanic. Perhaps if the opening movie was changed to refer to the worm hole as the Goatse of the Universe new players might be more prepared for all the sh1t they encounter.

Lig Vieta	Posted - 2006.07.11 16:14:00 - [161] Originally by: Jakie He doesn't go after anyone who has a chance of beating his T2 ship/equiptment/skills. He only picks people he KNOWS don't have the ship/equiptment/skills to fight him. P.S. And those of you thinking you will get a 1on1 fight from him? You don't seriously think he will actually fight you if you show up with even odds do you? I don't like what he does either, but when you're trying to make isk, it makes perfect sense. Choosing a fight you're going to lose will just make you broke. As for the fair fight, I think he'll give you one. Lofty doesn't know this, but two months ago, after hearing about this the first time, I went to Ours with the specific intent of being "tricked" into his gang and killing him. A little "talk" in local resulted in a challenge and we had a good BC duel with no ecm or suddenly appearing corpmates. Originally by: M1A1Abram and this is what confuses people right here, when he did send the gang invite, a popup did come up, but popups always come up when you gang with some-one that isnt in your address book it said "warning you are about to gang up with some one that isn in your address book, if there corp is at war(notice the word "if"), you may be attacked by the corperation they're at war with",the popup window does not say they are at war, it just tells you what could happen if the corps were at war I'm sorry this happened to you, but the popup you receive is very clear, it even goes as far to tell you specifically what corps are at war.
lofty29	Posted - 2006.07.11 17:05:00 - [162] Originally by: Lig Vieta I don't like what he does either, but when you're trying to make isk, it makes perfect sense. Choosing a fight you're going to lose will just make you broke. As for the fair fight, I think he'll give you one. Lofty doesn't know this, but two months ago, after hearing about this the first time, I went to Ours with the specific intent of being "tricked" into his gang and killing him. A little "talk" in local resulted in a challenge and we had a good BC duel with no ecm or suddenly appearing corpmates. I, Lofty29, hereby endorse all comments made about anything ever by Lig Vieta You understand exactly why I do it. I mean, if you where NPCing in 0.0 and had the opportunity to turn off the ability to be attacked by other players, I'm sure you would. If you where a pirate, and could turn off never getting ganked, I'm sure you would too. Playing fair doesnt seem right when playing unfair is just as possible and more profitable! And that fight I still remember to this day. Though now I've modded my brutix fit and got some higher skills, Im sure ill bbq you Or not --------------------------- Originally by: HippoKing ...I suck at forums
Mistress Suffering	Posted - 2006.07.11 18:30:00 - [163] So I saw Deja Thoris offer some pretty reasonable combat options. Let's see the fight already. Your killboard entries are full of you killing ill-prepared noobs in inferior ships. Hardly worth the 47 posts of self-worship you have put forth in this thread so far. Just think what a giant e-peen you would surely have for taking such a battle. Get on it.
Tabet Saens	Posted - 2006.07.11 19:16:00 - [164] Originally by: Hurtie The lame part about this bottom-feeding tactic is that the victim cannot get any revenge. This is a broken game mechanic and bad coding on the part of CCP. um, I don't understand this part here. Anyone can wardec Lofty if they want to. In fact, apparently quite a few threaten to, only to reconsider. Revenge can be gotten. It just seems that most corps don't consider it worthwhile or fruitful. That's not Lofty's fault and only "barely" the game's fault. Truth is, all a corp has to do is wardec Lofty, force him into 0.0 as he threatened to do, and suddenly the ganking in oursalaert by lofty is disrupted. How expensive is it to keep a wardec going? Not much, apparently. They don't have to kill him, just disrupt his "normal business" and revenge is gotten. I think the tactic Lofty uses is quite low. But TBH, if my corp has a chance to jump a lone cruiser pirate with 12 BS's, we'll do just that. Is that any better? I wonder. I think the part that irks me most about this is that in most "other" games, grouping is considered a healthy thing. You're joining together to be stronger. In this game, grouping or ganging can exact a heavy price. Alot of veteran MMO'ers(but new to EVE) don't even understand this. The mitigating factor here is, that even if you lose everything, what have you lost? Not much. It's all just virtual bits and RL time, and in return you gain knowledge. I could be grinding missions for 100% of my game time making buttloads of ISK and not learn anything else about the game. But instead I spend alot of time toying with modules, testing it out on corpmates etc. None of that makes ISK, but gains me knowledge that I can use to protect the ISK that I do earn. ISK for knowledge. The nubs who fall for lofty's ploy learn something, hopefully and won't fall for it again. The price for that lesson was the ransom or the lost ship. Fair trade, IMO.
ObiDoom Kenobi	Posted - 2006.07.11 19:35:00 - [165] Originally by: lofty29 Also, it stops me from getting any security status hits This is the only part that bothers me. IF you're going to pirate, you should own it. --EVE Online, for people that love sci-fi, but don't want Lucas screwing it up...
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.07.11 20:09:00 - [166] Originally by: Tabet Saens um, I don't understand this part here. Anyone can wardec Lofty if they want to. In fact, apparently quite a few threaten to, only to reconsider. Having been involved in more wars than most I can tell you that wardeccing a single person corp filled with one person who does not wish to fight would be futile. There might be a stand up fight (or two) but in the end it would result in dockin-undocking games or the party who is wardec'd would go to ground. Avoiding combat in these circumstances is easy should one choose to do so. So. Lofty, you said you'd 1v1 me and you've replied to every other post in the thread (just about) bar mine. I also checked my inbox which was erring to the side of "empty". Like I said, name the time and place.
Tabet Saens	Posted - 2006.07.11 21:01:00 - [167] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Tabet Saens um, I don't understand this part here. Anyone can wardec Lofty if they want to. In fact, apparently quite a few threaten to, only to reconsider. Having been involved in more wars than most I can tell you that wardeccing a single person corp filled with one person who does not wish to fight would be futile. There might be a stand up fight (or two) but in the end it would result in dockin-undocking games or the party who is wardec'd would go to ground. Avoiding combat in these circumstances is easy should one choose to do so. Yes Deja and I quite understand that. But the point that I was trying to make, which I tried to relay in the rest of that paragraph, is that even if they don't get a single kill off of him, all they really need to do is disrupt his operation. Right now he's operating in a crowded hub, Oursalaert, using concord partially to protect him. Wardeccing him should, in theory, give him some worries because while he's in one of his "famous" duels, anyone in the deccing corp can possibly gank him. As Lofty said himself, if a 60man corp decs him, he'll retreat into 0.0 space. Well I don't know how profitable his operation would be in 0.0, but I would bet not nearly as profitable as 1.0 space. It's a war on his operation, meant to hurt his profitability. Not necessarily to actually kill him. I still don't see how my point is "invalid" as you are trying to prove.
Peter Armstrong	Posted - 2006.07.11 21:18:00 - [168] mm its not a pirates way its the dumb and lamest way!! it is Very low and m8 its just pure sad to do that just for a kill!! i mean WTF??? Secound tho it is ur problem for doing that!! why? did u not even think aboyut checking there back ground!? and i wouldnt even help anyhow. So maybe its lame but ur lerarn the real game! no trust in EVE! i say!
PeeWee Pee	Posted - 2006.07.11 22:51:00 - [169] Originally by: Valerya DAoC Mordred was killed by its own playerbase and not by Mythic. And certainly not because they tried to "cater to the carebears". People were simply fed up with the ganker squads and the "pwned j00" attitude and left. Now you have the occasional Mord poster on the general boards begging people to "come and play" on their rotten server again. you not making sence madam. if everyone on daoc had a "pwnedj00" attitude why would anyone leave? if everyone is there to pwn then every one stay where is the problem. problem is they tried to cater carebears into pvp worlds and got burned. changed the game then pvpers left cos they think they got screwed. you cant keep everyone happy. once you phiss off you a gooner.
rodgerd	Posted - 2006.07.12 00:15:00 - [170] Originally by: HippoKing Seven posts in a row... lofty, you lose the forums for today Speaking of which, where are your anguished cried of "NERF, NERF, NERF! No ISK without risk!" Or is that something you only whine about for non-PvPers?

Wrench Head	Posted - 2006.07.12 02:05:00 - [171] c'mon jag, war dec him, 50M is 1 mission for u if u do, i will rejoin the corp with both toons to help u pod kill him in the off hours when I am bored
PeeWee Pee	Posted - 2006.07.13 02:23:00 - [172] Originally by: Wrench Head Edited by: Wrench Head on 12/07/2006 02:29:40 It is very simple. He has attacked one of your members. EVE is PVP. War dec him and make him pay. This is how EVE works. I am sorry but level 4 missions IS not really playing EVE it is simply making ISK to buy ships to blow up people like this. Either put your money where your mouth is or dont complain. Sorry to be blunt. word dude. move those level 4 mission whor*s where they can be pharmed. too much isk with no risk or make it so concord dont protect you when you do level 4s in empire. like a kill flag for allz.
Crotch Cricket	Posted - 2006.07.13 02:30:00 - [173] Edited by: Crotch Cricket on 13/07/2006 02:33:17 Originally by: Hal2 Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Sm0kE I'll take you on 1 v 1. The offer was to me, I accepted. Back of the line slave boy Fraps it please I like to see losers like this taken down... 14ml in gunnery says he'll go down. Nothing like my brutor bud's solo pwn mobile to take on this prat. Yes, registered fraps version FTW, and windowed in 1024x768 for best compression. Just for you


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