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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
224
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Posted - 2014.08.02 22:18:00 -
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There are 84.119 billion Minmatar living in the Caldari State. Someday, there will be none. There will be none because on that glorious day when the Reunited Amarr-Blood Raider Empire-Covenant fully embraces the True Faith and gives the order for the total extermination of the Minmatar people, the Caldari will loyally and faithfully give their Minmatar over to destruction...and participate in the destruction themselves.
There is much to be done before the Caldari will surrender their Minmatar. The Caldari must learn that no matter how hard a Minmatar works, no matter how loyally he serves his megacorporation, he is still a filithy subhuman who has been given over to destruction. The Minmatar must come to be seen as unworthy of charity, unworthy of pity GÇö objects of revulsion to be tormented. The Minmatar must be dehumanized, objectified GÇö made into an other.
A first step has been taken today at Station - Lisudeh VI - Moon 2 - Kaalakiota Corporation Factory. 123,918 filthy Minmatar subhuman slaves were stuffed into 92 Sigil-class Industrials, undocked one at a time, and blasted straight to Hell. Lest any slaves survive, even the Sigil wrecks were promptly shot, despite the attempted interference of Pilot Maria Daphiti, who despite several rescue attempts managed only to recover a few cargohold expanders. Unlike my execution of a million slaves some months ago, one made before I embraced the True Faith, this time I made no effort to reduce the slaves' suffering via Vitoc megadosing and instead inflicted maximum psychological torment. Children were ripped from parents and sent ahead to die on the first industrials. Large holo-projectors broadcast to the hanger bay each exploding Sigil from within and without, interspersed with images of hellfire and damnation (for these slaves have been conditioned with the doctrine of Hell and the inevitability of their torments there for the moment they were purchased). In all of these things, God was glorified.
But the performance of Kaalakiota Corporation employees this day left much to be desired. Time and again my industrial pilot was delayed from docking in his pod with the excuse that he had not finished undocking, even though he had undocked enough for my Ashummu-class SS Bloodletter to destroy his ship. From my station crew I heard of worse. Weeping. Questioning. The GÇ£thousand yard stareGÇ¥ of those suffering traumatic stress disorder. The Caldari must overcome all of these before they will give their Minmatar over to destruction.
For all that, today the employees of one Caldari station have been a little bit hardened. A little bit desensitized. They have learned a little about how Minmatar are to be treated under the True Faith. There shall be many more lessons to come. |

Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
785
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Posted - 2014.08.02 22:30:00 -
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Tell me about your mother. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
697
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Posted - 2014.08.02 23:06:00 -
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Well, that's one good way to demonstrate to the State the severe underlying problems of our purported allies' religious zeal and treatment of humans. Of course, the Empire would never sanction something this utterly and eyerollingly pitiful nor do I think something this ridiculous would even occur to them.
It is still an action borne from the two most severe issues the Empire has, slavery and revering religious zeal on a frightening level. There is of course no need for any distancing or condemnation of Nauppy here as he's obviously not even slightly representative of our allies, but sadly the underlying problems are shared.
You guys might want to deal with this guy before he erodes the relations we do have established, though. You can only have so many swarms of maintenance crews and drones disposing of so many thousands of corpses from clogging a docking lane before it starts becoming a strain on the relationship. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Kale Silence
Sebietar Scavenging and Hacking
63
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Posted - 2014.08.02 23:18:00 -
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What a waste. You really are a pathetic little attention *****, aren't chya nappy? "Love me or hate me, but money don't judge me. I don't care about your opinion, unless you intend to pay me. Then I care." - Anonymous |

Kayagainen Iwalula
Etsala Trading Company
90
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Posted - 2014.08.03 00:18:00 -
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You seem to be implying that we should be shocked that you're going on yet another senseless, hate-driven murdering spree. |

Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
659
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Posted - 2014.08.03 00:35:00 -
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Jinari Otsito wrote:You guys might want to deal with this guy before he erodes the relations we do have established, though.
Please tell me how we are to deal with him, when cloning and CONCORD laws protect him as they do. Destroying his ships doesn't stop it, and I'm sure destroying his pod wouldn't stop it.
It is depressing. |

Hevaima Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
52
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Posted - 2014.08.03 00:50:00 -
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So much effort to get any attention at all while failing to recognize a hundred thousand dead outside a station happens everyday in a few minutes on the undock point of Jita 4-4. |

Kayagainen Iwalula
Etsala Trading Company
91
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Posted - 2014.08.03 00:53:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Jinari Otsito wrote:You guys might want to deal with this guy before he erodes the relations we do have established, though. Please tell me how we are to deal with him, when cloning and CONCORD laws protect him as they do. Destroying his ships doesn't stop it, and I'm sure destroying his pod wouldn't stop it. It is depressing.
I don't see his actions as a reflection on the Empire for what it's worth - the man is a deranged blooder, hardly representative of your average Imperial citizen. |

Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
368
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Posted - 2014.08.03 02:25:00 -
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Jinari Otsito wrote:Well, that's one good way to demonstrate to the State the severe underlying problems of our purported allies' religious zeal and treatment of humans. Of course, the Empire would never sanction something this utterly and eyerollingly pitiful nor do I think something this ridiculous would even occur to them.
It is still an action borne from the two most severe issues the Empire has, slavery and revering religious zeal on a frightening level. There is of course no need for any distancing or condemnation of Nauppy here as he's obviously not even slightly representative of our allies, but sadly the underlying problems are shared.
You guys might want to deal with this guy before he erodes the relations we do have established, though. You can only have so many swarms of maintenance crews and drones disposing of so many thousands of corpses from clogging a docking lane before it starts becoming a strain on the relationship. If your claim is true, that 'the underlying problems are shared', how then is he 'not even slightly representative of our allies'? It seems you can't make your mind up, there. Something can't - logically - be not representative at all of something but share certain features with it. He's not Amarr. So, saying that his actins might erode Amarr-Caldari relationships is like saying that Gurista actions might. I hope Caldari are able to draw distinctions there? Or do you want to say that you are not capable to do so? Just as you seem to have problems with sorting out whether he is somehow representative of, that is sharing certain qualities with the Amarr or not.
Really, I think you're trying to push a personal agenda there, where you should rather think of what is good for the community of the state. You're known for your anti-Amarr and anti-religious zeal. Your ramblings are more of a strain to Caldari-Amarr relationships than what some lunatic does, who's part of neither State nor Empire. |

Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3290
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Posted - 2014.08.03 02:58:00 -
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I for one do not consider Nauplius to be Amarr.
The way I understand it, that designation does not apply to heretics any more than "Caldari" applies to Guristas. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |

Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
351
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Posted - 2014.08.03 08:55:00 -
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NaupliusGÇÖ genocidal agenda contradicts all what eternal Amarr stands for. Not to wipe out men, but to lead them to salvation is its glorified aim.
While the Sabik aim at creating savants and spiritual super-humans, Nauplius has become the opposite of what his own kind strive for. He is a slave to his delusions. Below a heretic and beyond salvation. Book of Prayers GÇö GalNet Profile GÇö Viva la Legion! GÇö Laudetur Khanid! |

Karynn Denton
Clan Katanga Caravan
235
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Posted - 2014.08.03 08:56:00 -
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That's one of the most shameful acts of killboard padding I've ever seen. Shocked, but far from awed.
Karynn Denton Caravan Master
Drug-dealing, frigate-fighting, Rifter-rolling Thukkervixen |

Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
351
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Posted - 2014.08.03 09:00:00 -
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Hevaima Gesakaarin wrote:So much effort to get any attention at all while failing to recognize a hundred thousand dead outside a station happens everyday in a few minutes on the undock point of Jita 4-4. You are missing an important point. Those hundred thousand dead werenGÇÖt intentionally sequestrated and butchered, but died in combat, however short and pointless it might have been. It is a risk every crew has to take.
Samira Kernher wrote:Jinari Otsito wrote:You guys might want to deal with this guy before he erodes the relations we do have established, though. Please tell me how we are to deal with him, when cloning and CONCORD laws protect him as they do. Destroying his ships doesn't stop it, and I'm sure destroying his pod wouldn't stop it. It is depressing. Ms Kernher, tell me then, why exactly are you fighting the fight against the tribals? We might not break their immortal bodies, but we can break their spirits. Book of Prayers GÇö GalNet Profile GÇö Viva la Legion! GÇö Laudetur Khanid! |

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
699
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Posted - 2014.08.03 09:35:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Jinari Otsito wrote:You guys might want to deal with this guy before he erodes the relations we do have established, though. Please tell me how we are to deal with him, when cloning and CONCORD laws protect him as they do. Destroying his ships doesn't stop it, and I'm sure destroying his pod wouldn't stop it. It is depressing.
So what you're saying is that capsuleer v capsuleer combat is rather ineffective? Well then. That's a lot of dead crew in the militias over the years for nothing.
Hound him. When he undocks, he dies. Sooner or later, even capsuleers run out of ISK, ships and will.
@Mithra
It doesn't really matter if we here recognize he's not representative of the Empire when he performs these ridiculous shows of his. When the corpses start piling up high enough, always accompanied by words steeped in the darker aspects of Empire life, culture, crime and heresy etc the distinctions will start to blur for those involved. This is no different from when people start using Diana Kim as a representative of the State or minor terrorist groups as representative of the Republic.
We may know different, but you can't deny that such things create... strain.
He gets close enough.
There are no contradictions in saying he's not representative of the Empire while sharing underlying problems. These are problems you'll find throughout New Eden in many societies in various measures. When anyone starts showing off the extremes such problems can lead to, it tends to tarnish anyone who shares the base issues. To a degree, rightfully so. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
659
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Posted - 2014.08.03 12:33:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Please tell me how we are to deal with him, when cloning and CONCORD laws protect him as they do. Destroying his ships doesn't stop it, and I'm sure destroying his pod wouldn't stop it.
It is depressing. Ms Kernher, tell me then, why exactly are you fighting the fight against the tribals? We might not break their immortal bodies, but we can break their spirits.
I'm not the one who decides whether to keep the war going, Duchess. And the fighting I do engage in is on behalf of the Praetoria, who fight on behalf of Amarr.
Jinari Otsito wrote:So what you're saying is that capsuleer v capsuleer combat is rather ineffective? Well then. That's a lot of dead crew in the militias over the years for nothing.
Hound him. When he undocks, he dies. Sooner or later, even capsuleers run out of ISK, ships and will.
As long as a capsuleer has one isk they are still more successful than most baseliners. The damage that can be done to capsuleers is minor and hardly capable of justly punishing such sins as is committed by fiends like the OP. Even the eternal damnation of his soul, as he has guaranteed itself, does not prevent his continuing evil through the infinite copies of himself that he has left behind.
And yes it is a lot of dead crew over nothing, sacrificed without a thought for wicked clones. |

Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
351
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Posted - 2014.08.03 13:17:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Please tell me how we are to deal with him, when cloning and CONCORD laws protect him as they do. Destroying his ships doesn't stop it, and I'm sure destroying his pod wouldn't stop it.
It is depressing. Ms Kernher, tell me then, why exactly are you fighting the fight against the tribals? We might not break their immortal bodies, but we can break their spirits. I'm not the one who decides whether to keep the war going, Duchess. And the fighting I do engage in is on behalf of the Praetoria, who fight on behalf of Amarr. Well, Ms Kernher, you might not decide whether the war keeps going, but your partaking in it is completely at your discretion. So I assume you have good reasons for doing so and your sense duty and loyalty (albeit to the wrong entities and concepts) is only one of them. But I believe that is besides the argument and I agree, it is regrettable that certain criminal elements cannot be extinguished permanently in this world... Book of Prayers GÇö GalNet Profile GÇö Viva la Legion! GÇö Laudetur Khanid! |

Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
225
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Posted - 2014.08.03 15:31:00 -
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Desiderya wrote:Tell me about your mother.
I do not understand. |

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
581
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Posted - 2014.08.03 15:42:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:Desiderya wrote:Tell me about your mother. I do not understand.
She's implying that your mother didn't breastfeed you enough as a baby, causing you to develop emotional or mental problems later in life.
Or something.
Caldari humour. Not even once. |

Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
225
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Posted - 2014.08.03 17:02:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:NaupliusGÇÖ genocidal agenda contradicts all what eternal Amarr stands for. Not to wipe out men, but to lead them to salvation is its glorified aim.
While the Sabik aim at creating savants and spiritual super-humans, Nauplius has become the opposite of what his own kind strive for. He is a slave to his delusions. Below a heretic and beyond salvation.
Please see my "Uplifting True Story" wherein I show how those born Minmatar can overcome the circumstances of their birth and become Chosen of God. |

Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
351
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Posted - 2014.08.03 17:43:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:NaupliusGÇÖ genocidal agenda contradicts all what eternal Amarr stands for. Not to wipe out men, but to lead them to salvation is its glorified aim.
While the Sabik aim at creating savants and spiritual super-humans, Nauplius has become the opposite of what his own kind strive for. He is a slave to his delusions. Below a heretic and beyond salvation. Please see my " Uplifting True Story" wherein I show how those born Minmatar can overcome the circumstances of their birth and become Chosen of God. I read this. It is worthless rubbish and changes nothing. By the way: Do you still have family in the Kingdom? Book of Prayers GÇö GalNet Profile GÇö Viva la Legion! GÇö Laudetur Khanid! |

Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
225
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Posted - 2014.08.03 22:36:00 -
[21] - Quote
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:By the way: Do you still have family in the Kingdom?
I decline to reveal that information.
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Talas Dir
Super Happy Fun Corp
33
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Posted - 2014.08.04 01:02:00 -
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Naupy, you're like, all hung up on slaves and stuff. You should just chill out and do some Mindflood with me. It'll solve everything. |

Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
633
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Posted - 2014.08.04 10:44:00 -
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Maria Daphiti? Really? Hmm, that is pretty awesome. It's far from shocking, however. Too bad I wasn't there to help her. Coordination Channel for Consolidated Space Rescue Cooperation Open Letter to the Aidonis Foundation Directorate |

Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
351
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Posted - 2014.08.04 11:24:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:By the way: Do you still have family in the Kingdom? I decline to reveal that information. I have filed an official request with the Royal Khanid Navy and the authorities on Danera V to make sure that every single member of your family will be found and brought to adequate facilities. For their own good.
Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House dGÇÖHanguest, Begum of Palas, Duchess of Lustrevik, and its dependent territories, Porphyrogennete, Hyperprotopansebaste, servant of God and King etc. etc. Book of Prayers GÇö GalNet Profile GÇö Viva la Legion! GÇö Laudetur Khanid! |

Da Dom
Wii R
122
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Posted - 2014.08.04 11:26:00 -
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You poor, poor, heretical fool.
This "True Faith" you speak of, is just another name for "Fear" :)(: |

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
700
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Posted - 2014.08.04 11:59:00 -
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Come now, Oddy. You're going to attack someone through their family? Yeah, that's civilized. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
659
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Posted - 2014.08.04 12:17:00 -
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I doubt the Blooder cares anything about any family he may have. But good luck to the RKN and the Danera authorities all the same. |

Ava Starfire
Gradient
1601
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Posted - 2014.08.04 12:39:00 -
[28] - Quote
What does it feel like to be an idiot, Nappy? "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |

Ava Starfire
Gradient
1601
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Posted - 2014.08.04 12:41:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:By the way: Do you still have family in the Kingdom? I decline to reveal that information.
This means yes.
"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3891
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Posted - 2014.08.04 13:30:00 -
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Some trials are no-win scenarios. Sometimes, the only thing we can learn to do is endure, in silence.
Nauplius, I submit, is one such trial. We can't do anything about him save disdain to acknowledge his existence.
And maybe shoot him through the face if we ever get the chance. Not for the sake of effect, but for the sake of catharsis. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
351
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Posted - 2014.08.04 14:01:00 -
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Jinari Otsito wrote:Come now, Oddy. You're going to attack someone through their family? Yeah, that's civilized. So you imply it is not? Collective punishment and kin liability are among the most effective instruments of law. On Palas we do not use transcranial microcontrollers for most slaves, but a sophisticated system of self-governing slave communities headed by an overseer. In cases of misconduct and crime we mostly do not punish the wrongdoer alone, but his family and the overseer. People are often able to endure unkind circumstances for themselves, but a mother can hardly bear up pain done her child. Misconduct hardly happens.
NaupliusGÇÖ family deserves nothing but slavery for the deeds of their own flesh and blood. It will protect them and serve as an example to others. Physical pain and suffering is irrelevant when the soul is at stake.
Samira Kernher wrote:I doubt the Blooder cares anything about any family he may have. But good luck to the RKN and the Danera authorities all the same. He might not care, but others will. Fear is the greatest father and teacher of law. My father always said: To punish one, is to teach a hundred.
In addition I announce that the Duchy of Palas will provide 100.000.000 ISK and the honorary title of Topoteretes of the Ducal Palasian Guard [DPS] to the first capsuleer of Amarrian faith who will provide us with a corpse of Nauplius and salvaged parts from one of his vessels (and proof of combat). The corpse and the ship parts will be put on display in Palas to serve as further warning and to exhilarate the faithful. Book of Prayers GÇö GalNet Profile GÇö Viva la Legion! GÇö Laudetur Khanid! |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3891
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Posted - 2014.08.04 14:06:00 -
[32] - Quote
Out of interest, what happens if a non-Amarrian pilot is able to produce those trophies? An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
351
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Posted - 2014.08.04 14:09:00 -
[33] - Quote
Stitcher wrote:Out of interest, what happens if a non-Amarrian pilot is able to produce those trophies? He will receive our compliments. Book of Prayers GÇö GalNet Profile GÇö Viva la Legion! GÇö Laudetur Khanid! |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3891
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Posted - 2014.08.04 14:11:00 -
[34] - Quote
Not, say, the compliments and a hundred million Kredits? An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
701
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Posted - 2014.08.04 14:14:00 -
[35] - Quote
Topoteretes Hakatain. Has a certain ring to it. A terrible one, but a ring nonetheless. Tell you what, I'll toss you the money if they toss you the title and you promise to display it publicly. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3892
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Posted - 2014.08.04 14:27:00 -
[36] - Quote
I'll have it engraved on a coronet. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
241
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Posted - 2014.08.04 14:33:00 -
[37] - Quote
Stitcher wrote:I'll have it engraved on a coronet.
I'll craft you a wreath to inscribe this title upon. It'll go well with the beard. Very kingly. aÑÉ |

Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
225
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Posted - 2014.08.04 14:47:00 -
[38] - Quote
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote: In addition I announce that the Duchy of Palas will provide 100.000.000 ISK and the honorary title of Topoteretes of the Ducal Palasian Squadron [DPS] to the first capsuleer of Amarrian faith who will provide us with a corpse of Nauplius and salvaged parts from one of his vessels (and proof of combat). The corpse and the ship parts will be put on display in Palas to serve as further warning and to exhilarate the faithful.
You are a Minmatar lover. Like PIE. |

Morijah d'Hanguest
52
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Posted - 2014.08.04 15:19:00 -
[39] - Quote
Stitcher wrote:Not, say, the compliments and a hundred million Kredits?
In the Name of God
Mr Hakatain
To make manifest our deep friendship with the Caldari State and its citizens, I have signed a decree that authorises the granting of honorary military titles of the Ducal Palasian Squadron [DPS] to members of the eight great corporations. The payment of 100.000.000 ISK is combined with the title.
Regards Morijah dGÇÖHanguest
We want to remain what we are! |

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
581
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Posted - 2014.08.04 17:39:00 -
[40] - Quote
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote: In addition I announce that the Duchy of Palas will provide 100.000.000 ISK and the honorary title of Topoteretes of the Ducal Palasian Squadron [DPS] to the first capsuleer of Amarrian faith who will provide us with a corpse of Nauplius and salvaged parts from one of his vessels (and proof of combat). The corpse and the ship parts will be put on display in Palas to serve as further warning and to exhilarate the faithful.
What would happen if I, or indeed, any of my Church, provided such items ?
I am a capsuleer of an Amarrian faith, after all. |

Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
113
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Posted - 2014.08.04 19:49:00 -
[41] - Quote
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
In addition I announce that the Duchy of Palas will provide 100.000.000 ISK and the honorary title of Topoteretes of the Ducal Palasian Squadron [DPS] to the first capsuleer of Amarrian faith who will provide us with a corpse of Nauplius and salvaged parts from one of his vessels (and proof of combat). The corpse and the ship parts will be put on display in Palas to serve as further warning and to exhilarate the faithful.
I reiterate, as I've announced before on the IGS, "The Society will replace any hulls and modules lost by any of the Faithful engaging Nauplius (within the bounds of rationality), indefinitely."
To Ms. Valate, Sani Sabik need not apply. |

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
701
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Posted - 2014.08.04 20:26:00 -
[42] - Quote
Stitcher wrote:I'll have it engraved on a coronet.
And you'll WEAR the coronet? Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3907
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Posted - 2014.08.04 22:51:00 -
[43] - Quote
Jinari Otsito wrote:Stitcher wrote:I'll have it engraved on a coronet. And you'll WEAR the coronet?
Only when seated on the throne. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |

Slave A00073078
New Order Logistics CODE.
27
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Posted - 2014.08.05 07:25:00 -
[44] - Quote
See this makes me sad. I wonder if this Naupilus fellow ever undocks? |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3895
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Posted - 2014.08.05 13:38:00 -
[45] - Quote
Jinari Otsito wrote:Stitcher wrote:I'll have it engraved on a coronet. And you'll WEAR the coronet?
That option will certainly be available to me. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Steffanie Saissore
Stormcrows
328
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Posted - 2014.08.05 14:38:00 -
[46] - Quote
Perhaps I may have become a little jaded in my short time in space, but there is very little shocking or awe-inspiring in the drivel that continues to pour forth from this individual.
The sad thing, the only truly effective means of dealing with him is complete silence. Shooting him might bring temporary relief for some, but in the end the depressing fact remains...unless a means to disable the transfer of his consciousness from one clone to another happens, he is immortal and will continue on this path.
There was a time where I thought that perhaps there might be a means to either convince an other of the errors of their ways, but time after time I have been shown how very inflexible us capsuleers as a whole are. We are in theory a step beyond humanity as a whole, yet instead of being more open and receptive to change we seem to fixate solely upon an ideal and doggedly refuse to admit that we may in fact be wrong.
If we are in fact the next step in humanity's progress (or evolution as some might say), then I fear for our future. Steffanie Saissore, Knight Stormcrows
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3896
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Posted - 2014.08.05 14:57:00 -
[47] - Quote
We're not a step beyond humanity. We ARE humanity. Humans in bottles, distilled and hardened and purified by the crucible of competition. You'll find the best and the worst among capsuleer just like in any other walk of human life.
If anything, the most damaging notion we collectively hold is the idea that we're in some way different to baseliners. As if a few sockets in our spine and some specialist training suddenly turns us into something better.
I don't know the first thing about agriculture, I'm not a lawyer, I don't know how to drive a ground vehicle or play a musical instrument. I'm a fairly decent codebreaker by dint of raw processing power but my approach is all brute-force, no finesse. I go to lank-haired Hikikomori to get my software because I know that they've put in the time and effort that I have not. I don't have the contacts of a top infobroker, nor the street smarts of a slum gangbanger.
When it comes down to it, what I'm best at is flying starships and building more starships. That's just a skill like any other. valuable, but not special. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Steffanie Saissore
Stormcrows
329
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Posted - 2014.08.05 16:11:00 -
[48] - Quote
If we are still humanity, why are we segregated from baseliners for the most part? Confined to specific areas on most stations? Even if we do not consider ourselves different from the baseliner, they sure as heck view us as different and go to great lengths to make that known.
And honestly, with the technology implanted into our bodies, I sure it would be a matter of only a few days for any one of us to become experts in agriculture if we so chose to...all it takes is a program or two to get uploaded into our brains. We might stumble over the actual manual side of things...but again, a few well spent isk here and there combined with expert knowledge of how systems interact with each other and we could become the next (insert an industry) tycoon.
To date, I have yet to see a limitation upon the amount of knowledge/expertise we are capable of uploading and retaining aside from the limitations of the clone model...and that limitation only applies if you get podded. Stay in station and never undock, as far as I know, you could master everything...given time. And seeing how we are made nigh-immortal, time is no longer a factor for us.
Steffanie Saissore, Knight Stormcrows
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Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3911
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Posted - 2014.08.05 16:14:00 -
[49] - Quote
Steff, it's nothing special that causes us to be isolated from our baseliner kin, it's something as simple as law and order.
Society allows us all to get along because it assigns punishments to the most egregious anti-social acts. As Capsuleers we side-step those consequences and that is what makes us dangerous to our kin. Nothing more or less than the fact that we can get away with murder. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3899
|
Posted - 2014.08.05 16:21:00 -
[50] - Quote
The capsule, clones, cybernetic engram learning, it's all just tools, and the defining property that sets humanity apart from pretty much every other species we've ever encountered is sophisticated tool-use.
The best anything else in the cluster manages is fishing grubs out of a tree stump using a bent stick. Meanwhile, we've figured out a tool that allows us to transfer our subjective continuity of experience from body to body nigh-instantly. But both the stick and the CRU are on the same trajectory, albeit one's a much "lower energy" accomplishment than the other.
And it wasn't capsuleers who invented the technology that makes us capsuleers. We're end-users, remember. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
701
|
Posted - 2014.08.05 23:07:00 -
[51] - Quote
The hell are you on about, Hakatain? I am divine, thank you very much. Never even set foot dirtside, in fact.
On a more serious note, sure we're human. Humans aren't homogenous by any stretch of the word, though. The differences between true spacers, perpetual dirtsiders and in future generations w-spacer pureborn-and-breds are quite different in many key ways. The physiological differences are measurable even just from system to system, planet to planet and region to region.
Add to this the reasonably unique modifications we do to ourselves as capsuleers from different cultures and genetic backgrounds, determining much of the way we augment and modify ourselves and there's very little reason not to differentiate ourselves from simply "human".
That particular blanket term is insufficient as far as I'm concerned and I can't wait to see how far we'll go in exploring new forms of humanity in our lifetimes. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
225
|
Posted - 2014.08.06 00:47:00 -
[52] - Quote
Empyrean versus baseliner is irrelevant. What is relevant is Chosen versus Non-Chosen. And within the latter, another relevant distinction: given over to destruction versus not given over to destruction. |

Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
865
|
Posted - 2014.08.06 02:15:00 -
[53] - Quote
Nauplius wrote:Empyrean versus baseliner is irrelevant. What is relevant is Chosen versus Non-Chosen. And within the latter, another relevant distinction: given over to destruction versus not given over to destruction. Relevance is a matter of perspective. I find your perspective of relevance irrelevant. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |

Kellie Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
2117
|
Posted - 2014.08.06 04:19:00 -
[54] - Quote
You for very scary person, Mista Naplioos.
Why to hurt so many peoples?
If you no feeling good can ask Doctor Amelia to comm you and talk about? She so really nice and can help with things in body and head too, she help for me and my sister too.
Noob Alt-á |-á Special Dusette-á|-á Silly Robot Arm
Collect all 4 Dusette Action Figures.-á(Now available in Thukker Tribe Edition) |

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
582
|
Posted - 2014.08.06 05:39:00 -
[55] - Quote
Valerie Valate wrote:Odelya d'Hanguest wrote: In addition I announce that the Duchy of Palas will provide 100.000.000 ISK and the honorary title of Topoteretes of the Ducal Palasian Squadron [DPS] to the first capsuleer of Amarrian faith who will provide us with a corpse of Nauplius and salvaged parts from one of his vessels (and proof of combat). The corpse and the ship parts will be put on display in Palas to serve as further warning and to exhilarate the faithful.
What would happen if I, or indeed, any of my Church, provided such items ? I am a capsuleer of an Amarrian faith, after all.
I had the opportunity to ask Duchess D'Hanguest this question in person.
She accused me of abusing language. How rude.
I suppose then, it's fortunate that I have no intention of shooting Nauplius, merely of embarrassing the Duchess.
Oh well. |

Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
356
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Posted - 2014.08.06 07:24:00 -
[56] - Quote
Valerie Valate wrote:I had the opportunity to ask Duchess D'Hanguest this question in person.
She accused me of abusing language. How rude.
I suppose then, it's fortunate that I have no intention of shooting Nauplius, merely of embarrassing the Duchess.
Oh well. What you are calling GÇ£an Amarrian faithGÇ¥ is neither Amarrian nor a faith. It is a heretic cult of despised traitors. Book of Prayers GÇö GalNet Profile GÇö Viva la Legion! GÇö Laudetur Khanid! |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1208
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Posted - 2014.08.06 11:03:00 -
[57] - Quote
Nauplius wrote:There are 84.119 billion Minmatar living in the Caldari State. Someday, there will be none. There will be none because on that glorious day when the Reunited Amarr-Blood Raider Empire-Covenant fully embraces the True Faith and gives the order for the total extermination of the Minmatar people, the Caldari will loyally and faithfully give their Minmatar over to destruction...and participate in the destruction themselves.
There is much to be done before the Caldari will surrender their Minmatar. The Caldari must learn that no matter how hard a Minmatar works, no matter how loyally he serves his megacorporation, he is still a filithy subhuman who has been given over to destruction. The Minmatar must come to be seen as unworthy of charity, unworthy of pity GÇö objects of revulsion to be tormented. The Minmatar must be dehumanized, objectified GÇö made into an other. Mr. Nauplius, Caldari don't own Minmatars to give them over. Slavery in the State is prohibited, thus both slaves and slavers are outlaws.
As for being other - they already are. They are jaijii to us.
And charity with pity are not compatible with prosperous business organizations: if minmatars work for any corporation, they are well paid and fed. If they don't work - they are not paid and they are not fed. Caldari don't waste resources on material that doesn't help Caldari.
Nauplius wrote: A first step has been taken today at Station - Lisudeh VI - Moon 2 - Kaalakiota Corporation Factory. 123,918 filthy Minmatar subhuman slaves were stuffed into 92 Sigil-class Industrials, undocked one at a time. EDIT: Illegal link to killboard removed - ISD Tyrozan Lest any slaves survive, even the Sigil wrecks were promptly shot, despite the attempted interference of Pilot Maria Daphiti, who despite several rescue attempts managed only to recover a few cargohold expanders. Unlike my execution of a million slaves some months ago, one made before I embraced the True Faith, this time I made no effort to reduce the slaves' suffering via Vitoc megadosing and instead inflicted maximum psychological torment. Children were ripped from parents and sent ahead to die on the first industrials. Large holo-projectors broadcast to the hanger bay each exploding Sigil from within and without, interspersed with images of hellfire and damnation (for these slaves have been conditioned with the doctrine of Hell and the inevitability of their torments there for the moment they were purchased). In all of these things, God was glorified.
But the performance of Kaalakiota Corporation employees this day left much to be desired. Time and again my industrial pilot was delayed from docking in his pod with the excuse that he had not finished undocking, even though he had undocked enough for my Ashummu-class SS Bloodletter to destroy his ship. From my station crew I heard of worse. Weeping. Questioning. The GÇ£thousand yard stareGÇ¥ of those suffering traumatic stress disorder. The Caldari must overcome all of these before they will give their Minmatar over to destruction.
For all that, today the employees of one Caldari station have been a little bit hardened. A little bit desensitized. They have learned a little about how Minmatar are to be treated under the True Faith. There shall be many more lessons to come.
As I said, Mr. Nauplius, slaves are outlaws in the State, but for one outlaw to kill another in the State territory is unacceptable. They should have arrested both you and slaves for criminal behavior, violation of civil order, misconduct, trespassing, unlawful weapon discharge and hooliganism. |

Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
225
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Posted - 2014.08.06 11:25:00 -
[58] - Quote
Ms. Kim, the system in which this glorious sacrifice took place is not located in the Caldari State.
But the day will come when the Caldari become Chosen and learn to see their Minmatar not as workers too be paid a wage, but as slaves to be done with as the Chosen please. |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1208
|
Posted - 2014.08.06 11:53:00 -
[59] - Quote
I am sorry about that, Mr. Nauplius, then it is not Caldari business.
As for slavery, Mr. Nauplius, it's not just outlawed, it is inefficient and dangerous. Caldari society prefers more professional, fruitful and risk adverse labor management. We succeed because we hire best quality workers, and not slaves, foaming vitoc or other drugs from mouth.
We prefer to hire Civire instead of Brutor. Maybe Civire aren't that strong, but they keep precision and determination to work even under stress. We prefer to hire Achura as scientists instead of Sebiestor, because, social aspects aside, Achura outperform Sebiestors and anyone else at mental tasks. And finally, we prefer Deteis in management position, because proper planning, organization and stimulation of personnel is way better than slave driver, who just cracks whip and screams at slaves to work faster. |

Marcus Gord
Stormcrows
63129
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Posted - 2014.08.06 11:56:00 -
[60] - Quote
I actually find myself in agreement with Ms Kim.
I think I need a drink. You can't take the sky from me
".....Storm'd at with shot and shell, Boldly they rode and well....." http://i.imgur.com/LM2NKUf.png |

Quin Mansa
Hedion University Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.08.06 14:29:00 -
[61] - Quote
I have struggled in my prayers for Nauplius to return to God's path for the Chosen and to the struggle of true Reclaiming, but I fear God's answer to me is that Nauplius is creating his own struggles out of bewilderment and desperation. God's trials for each of us are different, so Nauplius must face his own trials, as it is with me. While I feel my frustration about his actions, like those of the recent terror attacks in Empire space, I know that this is a sign from God that my trials will only grow more difficult in the time to come.
For these reasons, I feel I cannot give up on Nauplius, as I cannot give up on returning any of God's children to the divine grace of His light. I will continue to pray that he see that the massacre of the unwashed does not bring all souls back to God's light, and thus does not serve the purpose of the Chosen in New Eden. God's test for him is not yet over.
Nor is it so with any of God's children here and now. |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1210
|
Posted - 2014.08.06 17:27:00 -
[62] - Quote
Marcus Gord wrote:I actually find myself in agreement with Ms Kim.
I think I need a drink. This I can provide. |

Marcus Gord
Stormcrows
63437
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Posted - 2014.08.07 09:58:00 -
[63] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Marcus Gord wrote:I actually find myself in agreement with Ms Kim.
I think I need a drink. This I can provide.
I'll make my own tea, if that's what you were thinking. You can't take the sky from me
".....Storm'd at with shot and shell, Boldly they rode and well....." http://i.imgur.com/LM2NKUf.png |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1210
|
Posted - 2014.08.07 11:35:00 -
[64] - Quote
Hey~ I can do very good tea. And very, very very, very good coffee!
Although I was thinking at first about fresh clean water. |

Steffanie Saissore
Stormcrows
330
|
Posted - 2014.08.09 11:39:00 -
[65] - Quote
Quin Mansa wrote:I have struggled in my prayers for Nauplius to return to God's path for the Chosen and to the struggle of true Reclaiming, but I fear God's answer to me is that Nauplius is creating his own struggles out of bewilderment and desperation. God's trials for each of us are different, so Nauplius must face his own trials, as it is with me. While I feel my frustration about his actions, like those of the recent terror attacks in Empire space, I know that this is a sign from God that my trials will only grow more difficult in the time to come.
For these reasons, I feel I cannot give up on Nauplius, as I cannot give up on returning any of God's children to the divine grace of His light. I will continue to pray that he see that the massacre of the unwashed does not bring all souls back to God's light, and thus does not serve the purpose of the Chosen in New Eden. God's test for him is not yet over.
Nor is it so with any of God's children here and now.
I wish you the best of luck holding to not giving up on the man; from what I have seen I doubt there is any returning to the fold for him. Steffanie Saissore, Knight Stormcrows
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Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
43989
|
Posted - 2014.08.09 18:24:00 -
[66] - Quote
Marcus Gord wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Marcus Gord wrote:I actually find myself in agreement with Ms Kim.
I think I need a drink. This I can provide. I'll make my own tea, if that's what you were thinking.
Sorry to intervene, but I find your reasoning to be far off. It is no about Caldari laws, the legal status of slaves or the territory it took place. Killing so many civilians - regardless of legal status- is simply rude and tasteless. Culture and education is what differentiates us from the Minmatar. If we commit acts of barbarism like this, we only show that we are no better than them. We accepted the responsibility to provide tutelage and moral guidance to those poor little creatures, so I cannot condone masss killings of them.
But what me concerns even more are his words :
Nauplius wrote: There will be none because on that glorious day when the Reunited Amarr-Blood Raider Empire-Covenant fully embraces the True Faith and gives the order for the total extermination of the Minmatar people...
Now just wait a minute...Reunited Amarr-Blood Raider Empire-Covenant? Seriously? We know the Theology Council's stance on the Blood Raider cult..and insinuating that there could ever be a compromise between our holy religion and the pagan blood cults is heresy in every senes of the words. And I guesss you know the Empire's stance on heretics?
Since other posters already offered a bounty for his head, I suggest to have this deviant turned over to the Theology Council on Amarr prime afterwards. I am sure the Council will be eager to ask him a few questions. And don't worry, your thirst for revenge should be fully satisfied once the Imperial Inquisition is through with him. I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1218
|
Posted - 2014.08.10 05:57:00 -
[67] - Quote
Zimmy Zeta wrote: Sorry to intervene, but I find your reasoning to be far off. It is no about Caldari laws, the legal status of slaves or the territory it took place. Killing so many civilians - regardless of legal status- is simply rude and tasteless. Culture and education is what differentiates us from the Minmatar. If we commit acts of barbarism like this, we only show that we are no better than them. We accepted the responsibility to provide tutelage and moral guidance to those poor little creatures, so I cannot condone masss killings of them.
Ms. Zeta, please excuse me, but you can't detain people for being rude and tasteless. I would gladely arrest all gallentean kakku and wannabe gallentean kakku, that bathe in tasteless luxury and enjoy decadent trash, that they call art. But, unfortunately, there is no law against this... yet.
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Kohiko Sun
Stormcrows
24
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Posted - 2014.08.10 08:24:00 -
[68] - Quote
Morijah d'Hanguest wrote:Mr Hakatain
To make manifest our deep friendship with the Caldari State and its citizens, I have signed a decree that authorises the granting of honorary military titles of the Ducal Palasian Squadron [DPS] to members of the eight great corporations. The payment of 100.000.000 ISK is combined with the title.
Regards Morijah dGÇÖHanguest Eh! This will be interesting. I never expected to have a title that would be polite to say, honorary or not, from the Kingdom.
I invite you to contact Jude or myself at your convenience. It is our pleasure to be of service to the Duchess d'Hanguest once more. |

Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
676
|
Posted - 2014.08.10 08:41:00 -
[69] - Quote
Congratulations to Mr. Kopenhagen and Ms. Sun on their kill. It was an honor to be there to personally witness the victory with my camera drone. The slave butcher's pod managed to slip from me several times back during PIE's war with Hoi Andrapodistai; I am glad that he finally tripped up.
Sadly, I doubt it will lead him to any life-altering revelations. |

Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
44021
|
Posted - 2014.08.10 19:01:00 -
[70] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote:Congratulations to Mr. Kopenhagen and Ms. Sun on their kill. It was an honor to be there to personally witness the victory with my camera drone. The slave butcher's pod managed to slip from me several times back during PIE's war with Hoi Andrapodistai; I am glad that he finally tripped up.
Sadly, I doubt it will lead him to any life-altering revelations.
Now that was quicker than expected. Congratulations to the skilled assassins.
Diana Kim wrote: Ms. Zeta, please excuse me, but you can't detain people for being rude and tasteless. I would gladely arrest all gallentean kakku and wannabe gallentean kakku, that bathe in tasteless luxury and enjoy decadent trash, that they call art. But, unfortunately, there is no law against this... yet.
See? This is why we oppose the Caldari State's foolish insistence on keeping state and church seperated. Laws should be more than mere regulations...they should be a moral compass and a spiritual guidance that permeates every aspect of life and finally leads to enlightment through conformity.
That being said, provided the Minmatar slaves were workers, I am pretty sure that Mr Nauplius could be convicted even under State law. Destroying such a large workforce could be easily considered Counterindustrial Terrorism and the defendant could be charged with Crimes against Industry. I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3928
|
Posted - 2014.08.10 19:24:00 -
[71] - Quote
Please, don't even try to conflate Diana Kim and the State in order to try and win a debating point. It's the ultimate strawman argument.
Kim-haani does not represent mainstream thinking within the State. She is largely Provist in her views - and a rather extreme form of Provist at that, a True Believer who embraces the Spartan mindset and imbues anything alien to her own way of thinking with mistrust and suspicion.
Kim-haani is a tool crafted for a specific purpose and I think she would have been very happy if she'd never become a capsuleer.
As for Naupilus, we wouldn't need exotic labour laws to prosecute him. The regular ones addressing mass-murder would do just fine - were he not a capsuleer. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1219
|
Posted - 2014.08.11 00:30:00 -
[72] - Quote
Zimmy Zeta wrote: See? This is why we oppose the Caldari State's foolish insistence on keeping state and church seperated.
We don't have "church", but rather lots of different temples and monasteries. Good luck trying to convince them all joining to government structure. I think you would deserve a medal, if you will convince at least one.
Zimmy Zeta wrote: That being said, provided the Minmatar slaves were workers, I am pretty sure that Mr Nauplius could be convicted even under State law. Destroying such a large workforce could be easily considered Counterindustrial Terrorism and the defendant could be charged with Crimes against Industry.
If they were not HIS workers, then it would be a sabotage. But on other hand, no Caldari corporation or citizen owns slaves. In other words, destruction of any slave doesn't affect Caldari industry at all. |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1219
|
Posted - 2014.08.11 00:35:00 -
[73] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Please, don't even try to conflate Diana Kim and the State in order to try and win a debating point. It's the ultimate strawman argument.
Kim-haani does not represent mainstream thinking within the State. She is largely Provist in her views - and a rather extreme form of Provist at that, a True Believer who embraces the Spartan mindset and imbues anything alien to her own way of thinking with mistrust and suspicion.
Kim-haani is a tool crafted for a specific purpose and I think she would have been very happy if she'd never become a capsuleer.
As for Naupilus, we wouldn't need exotic labour laws to prosecute him. The regular ones addressing mass-murder would do just fine - were he not a capsuleer. Oh, such sweet words and "analysis" of someone who is afraid even to meet me to know me better, and evades service to the State as well.
Thanks for the "information", but I would recommend anyone who are interested in me, to look for more reliable sources. |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3926
|
Posted - 2014.08.11 01:41:00 -
[74] - Quote
Zimmy Zeta wrote:This is why we oppose the Caldari State's foolish insistence on keeping state and church separated.
Where did that remarkable claim come from? I wasn't aware that we insist on any such thing. Wayism and Caldari spirituality permeate every layer of Megacorporate society, from the tea ceremonies and rituals that open and close our board meetings, right down to the foundational philosophy of the State, the Okusaiken, and their internal cultures.
After all, unlike a democracy, the corporations are under no legal or ethical obligation to official impartiality.
What's probably confusing you is that you don't see the presence of religion in the official processes of our society because you don't understand just how different our respective religious outlooks really are.
The theological underpinnings of the Empire give rise to its hierarchy of heathens, slaves, free commoners, Holders, Nobles, Heirs, The Emperor and God, and the highly limited or nonexistent mobility between those categories. A commoner is NEVER going to be Emperor because that's not their place in the divine order. All of this is because, in Amarr, "God [...] breathed life into his creation, divided the parts and gave each its place and unto each, bestowed purpose.". Everything has its divinely ordained role to play, the place where it has been instructed to belong.
Wayism teaches more or less the precise opposite. in Wayism, the Maker created the universe and left it in chaos for humanity and the spirits to forge our own order and find for ourselves our own places and purpose within it. And the philosophical structures of Wayism are as integral to Caldari corporate meritocracy as Amarr is to the Empire. In our philosophy, a person's place in the system is something they define, attain and retain on merit through hard work and dedication to their duties, rather than being something they're assigned by higher and more powerful forces.
So, no, we don't believe in church/state separation. That would require us to have a state in that sense which, name notwithstanding, the State does not. It would require us to have a church, an organised religious arbiter of official dogma and authority, which Wayism broadly lacks. It would require us to have a good reason to keep them distinct which, being corporations rather than representatives with a duty to neutrality, we lack.
Arguing that we're resolutely in favour of church-state separation only tells me, Pilot Zeta, that you understand little to nothing about the way the State is organised, and the nature of its major religions. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3928
|
Posted - 2014.08.11 02:35:00 -
[75] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Please, don't even try to conflate Diana Kim and the State in order to try and win a debating point. It's the ultimate strawman argument.
Kim-haani does not represent mainstream thinking within the State. She is largely Provist in her views - and a rather extreme form of Provist at that, a True Believer who embraces the Spartan mindset and imbues anything alien to her own way of thinking with mistrust and suspicion.
Kim-haani is a tool crafted for a specific purpose and I think she would have been very happy if she'd never become a capsuleer.
As for Naupilus, we wouldn't need exotic labour laws to prosecute him. The regular ones addressing mass-murder would do just fine - were he not a capsuleer. Oh, such sweet words and "analysis" of someone who is afraid even to meet me to know me better, and evades service to the State as well. Thanks for the "information", but I would recommend anyone who are interested in me, to look for more reliable sources.
Ask anyone you trust, Kim-haani. That was a pretty fair treatment of you. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |

Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
49
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Posted - 2014.08.11 02:42:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Please, don't even try to conflate Diana Kim and the State in order to try and win a debating point. It's the ultimate strawman argument.
Kim-haani does not represent mainstream thinking within the State. She is largely Provist in her views - and a rather extreme form of Provist at that, a True Believer who embraces the Spartan mindset and imbues anything alien to her own way of thinking with mistrust and suspicion.
Kim-haani is a tool crafted for a specific purpose and I think she would have been very happy if she'd never become a capsuleer.
As for Naupilus, we wouldn't need exotic labour laws to prosecute him. The regular ones addressing mass-murder would do just fine - were he not a capsuleer. Oh, such sweet words and "analysis" of someone who is afraid even to meet me to know me better, and evades service to the State as well. Thanks for the "information", but I would recommend anyone who are interested in me, to look for more reliable sources. Ask anyone you trust, Kim-haani. That was a pretty fair treatment of you.
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Anslo
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Oh look. A new toy to break.
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
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Nauplius wrote: There shall be many more lessons to come.
How many more lessons do you need that God frowns upon your fevered imaginings? Each and every single one one of the souls of the defenseless 138,000, denied their chance for life and to learn the True Faith, cries to the high heavens for vengeance.
As a minister once wrote, "some people actually imagine that the revelation in GodGÇÖs Word is not enough to meet our needs. They think that God from time to time carries on an actual conversation with them, chatting with them, satisfying their doubts....As a result, their emotions soar; they are full of bubbling joy that is mixed with self-confidence and a high opinion of themselves. The foundation for these feelings, however, does not lie within the Scripture itself. "but instead rests on the sudden creations of their imaginations. These people are clearly deluded. "
I urge you to repent and to submit yourself, completely and totally in mind and body, to the Empire for judgment. |
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