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Storm Korura
StratMin Inc
15
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Posted - 2014.08.03 01:54:00 -
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As an indy pilot with little interest in pvp I find the whole wardec system very unbalanced. It gives pvp'ers the tools to play their style of game while completely stopping indy ppilots from playing at all. How is this in any way fair? Does CCP only care about pvp'ers enjoying Eve? To hell with the rest of us?
So I don't join a corp and play solo and miss out on the community experience of eve so I can actually lpay the game. Not a great solution in my view.
I'm sure the smart folks at CCP could come up with a way so pvp'ers can enjoy the wardec system and still allow breathing space for indy pilots - for example a corp can only be at war with one corp at a time - not 25 like one of the corps currenty wardec'ing us. If a corp has been wardeced then there could be a 3 week cooling off period before anyone can wardec them again. This would 'spread the love' more evenly across the landscape and allow everyone to enjoy the game the way they like to play it. Right now I feel I am forced to play the game the way CCP want me to play it and that contradicts all the noise they make about it being an open sandbox. With a wardec in place - my game is over until the war dec is over.
Unbalanced. |
De'Veldrin
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
2712
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Posted - 2014.08.03 01:59:00 -
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Storm Korura wrote: Right now I feel I am forced to play the game the way CCP want me to play it and that contradicts all the noise they make about it being an open sandbox. With a wardec in place - my game is over until the war dec is over.
I think you misunderstand the term "sandbox". It does not mean that you will get to do whatever you want whenever you want. It means that you can try and do whatever you want. Just like everyone else in the game.
Your greatest opposition to your attempts to succeed in the sandbox are other players also attempting to succeed.
However, the fact that you make the active decision to stop playing because of the actions of other players is in no way CCP's fault, not is it their responsibility to "fix" this non-existent problem. The wardec system does have some issues, but you cowering in the corner is not one of them.
De'Veldrin's Corallary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null. |
Storm Korura
StratMin Inc
15
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Posted - 2014.08.03 02:05:00 -
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You miss the point 100%. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
5815
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Posted - 2014.08.03 02:31:00 -
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No... De'Veldrin has it spot on.
You are most certainly allowed to do what you want to do... but others are allowed to do what they want to do even if it runs counter to your goals. Moreover... you are allowed to avoid it using the mechanics and your adversaries are allowed to pursue you. And you are allowed to hire mercs to defend you the same way they are allowed to get their own industrialists to supply them with ships and equipment.
EVE is a "rat race." There is no "quiet corner" for anyone. If there was one... then everyone with half a brain would use that to their advantage and set up supply chains that cannot be war decced.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
8373
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Posted - 2014.08.03 02:37:00 -
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Storm Korura wrote:As an indy pilot with little interest in pvp
Your opinion is one sided, and thus you don't actually know what balance is.
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To hell with the rest of us?
Yep. If you can't be asked to defend yourself, or even bother to train combat skills, then you can stay in an NPC corps with the rest of them.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Storm Korura
StratMin Inc
15
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Posted - 2014.08.03 03:18:00 -
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You guys are missing the fundamental point - I understand and appreciate what you are saying and in part I agree with your views, however, the mechanics DO favour the pvp'er and it would be very easy to make it less brutal on the indy corps.
: Your opinion is one sided, and thus you don't actually know what balance is.
^ that's pretty pathetic and childish - don't waste my time. I expect all the anti indy sheep to start making a noise, I expect anyone who's income to be affected to make a noise - so be it.
I've put the idea out there for people to chew over - have a great day folks. |
Cannibal Kane
Cannibal Empire
4230
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Posted - 2014.08.03 05:35:00 -
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Why Hello there OP.
All you did now was make your corp an even bigger target with your one sided approach and whine.
If a corp is unable to protect themselves it is not CCP's fault. There are many corps that can bite back and do.
But you are effectively asking CCP to fix your inability to do something about it. Incidentally this is one of the ways I make ISK ingame. Helping helpless corp on how they can make life difficult for aggressors. You only achieve and progress if your willing learn.
All I will say now is... See you soon.
"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
5815
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Posted - 2014.08.03 05:44:00 -
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Let me shine your "balance" complaint in a new light.
You feel that as an industrialist you have little power to fight back against PvPers... this is the exact feeling many PvPers have when they buy new ships and equipment.
PvPers must either learn how to perform SOME industry themselves (despite having lacking skills and knowledge), make friends with an industrialist who can make them stuff (in return for ISK and/or protection), or just shut up and buy stuff at the prices that others set.
As said before... you ARE allowed to play the way you like... but so is everyone else. And no one is guaranteed to get what they want. You are not guaranteed to be "left alone" any more than I am assured getting a killmail.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Valkin Mordirc
53
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Posted - 2014.08.03 10:42:00 -
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The problems with the wardeccing systems is not due to the amount of Wardec a corp is limited to.
The Wardec has it's problems, but the fact that your little indy corp, being wardecced by a few asshats, (the asshats could include me, sometimes it's hard to keep track of the people I'm shooting at) is not an imbalance issue. Combat in EVE should never be completely limited. EVE, and I'm sorry if you think otherwise, is a Player versus player game. If you don't like that, then HTFU or go play some other MMO.
Wardecs are a means to an end, if that end means padding killboard with stupid indy pilots who think it's okay to go AFK mine, autopilot an indy ship to jita, say going through the udema pipeline, or using a BS to try and fight a character that is hilariously more skilled than him. Is nothing, and I mean NOTHING but the pilots own fault.
You die in a wardec because you do not have the skills to deal with it? Hire a merc corp, Forsaken Asylum, Sovereign Infinity, Marmite, Break-A-Wish, so on and so forth. Then once you have your ally. Move your silly little hulk, to where they camp the most. The majority of wardeccers will not cross paths with another wardeccing alliance.
You say you don't have the ability to deal with someone like that? That is your own choice, YOU choose to invest time into getting a tech 2 mining barge, YOU made that choice, and now you must deal with the draw backs. You willfully remain ignorant of how combat works in EVE, and you arrogantly splutter into the eve forums demanding for change because you think it should be different because of your own ignorance.
I've seen plenty of Indy corps fight back effectively. I've seen hundreds of pilots people deny kills for the aggression corp.
Here's a few tips,
Have a merc corp ready and able to ally into wars,
Have safespots, undock points, dock points, scout points, around your entire system.
Use alts to watch neighboring systems
Don't AFK mine,
Don't Autopilot,
Don't running around in a Raven expecting to kill a Thorax, More so if you an indy invested pilot who has little to no sp in PVP.
Learn how to PVP, it's a lot to know and you NEED to know it if you want to win.
Don't be an nitwit and post in an open forum where someone like Kane, KANE of all people will see you.
Or you can sit here, and splutter about how unfair it is, which will get you nowhere fast, and somewhere soon, that somewhere is buried with wardecs and probably a few wardeccers who are way too happy with MLP, and Kane, And if Kane is there, May god have mercy on your soul.
Psychotic Monk for CSM9 |
De'Veldrin
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
2723
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Posted - 2014.08.03 12:56:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Why Hello there OP.
All I will say now is... See you soon.
 Danger Will Robinson, Danger Will Robinson!!
De'Veldrin's Corallary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4001
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Posted - 2014.08.03 14:00:00 -
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While I don't agree with the OP in that he seems to expect total safety to a degree, you do have to admit that wardeccers have it pretty easy. It's incredibly cheap to throw out wardecs like there's no tomorrow, and a lot of groups do so to the point that highsec becomes their safety version of nullsec, where they have loads of carebears to shoot but never need to worry about those pesky neutrals attacking them. Then when they get overwhelmed they can dock anywhere they want. So IMHO, it does need to be made harder to build up large wardec lists than the way it is now. There needs to be more consequences to making that decision, and those consequences need to scale up as you enter into more wardecs. Not to make it impossible but to make it a choice you have to be dedicated to and work for.
To the OP, I'd suggest you go and take a look at what people run wardecs for, and take a realistic and balanced look at it from both points of view and come back with a solid proposal for how it could be changed to make it more engaging for all sides.
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