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rexidian
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Posted - 2003.10.02 08:00:00 -
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Well I've clawed my way up to being able to afford a Minmatar cruiser  - the question is which one is best and how should I equip it.
I'm looking to do a mixture of things - mining, missions, hunting.
Your help is appreciated.
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Chai N'Dorr
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Posted - 2003.10.02 08:11:00 -
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Stabber...
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Abn Matar
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Posted - 2003.10.02 09:52:00 -
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Well, if i were you id buy the much underrestimated Rupture, its a very capable cruiser, it has 4 turret hardpoints and 3 missile, you can equip it with 3/3 or a 4/2 that way you get very versitile.
Thereby it can do all the things you want ti to do.
It also have the right amount of med/low to be capable of doing DMG and still have the defences to make it well through a battle.
Its not as fast as the stabber but its still more dangerous than most other cruisers, it has high shields and armor, just make sure you fit some capactior power relays to get your recargerate up.
If ou cant find it cheaper somewhere there is a few ones for sale in Gehi (Khanid Region) @ 5.3 mills, i saw 3 for sale yesterday (Its not me selling tho  )
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Astrid Tron
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Posted - 2003.10.02 10:26:00 -
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it also has a fairly large drone bay :) (600m3 i believe...)
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rexidian
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Posted - 2003.10.02 10:38:00 -
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Was thinking about the rapture but was put of a little by the description - big, heavy, slow - oh and the 5 mil price tag
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Paul Dubois
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Posted - 2003.10.02 11:55:00 -
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One big drawback of the Rupture is the CPU which is actually less than the Stabber.
Stabber is a good all rounder, especially for agent missions and killing npc frigates and light cruisers. Its fast, with good skills can easily keep ahead of any npc frigates with just an afterburner, it has a good cargo capacity, and the reasonably high cpu means it can fit 4 mining lasers.
Rupture is really suited to combat only but is good at it. Can use turrets, missiles and drones. Drone cap allows you to carry 5 medium scouts or two combat and one heavy scout. 3 good turrets and three missile launchers with cruises makes it capable of dishing out a lot of damage. To make the best of it though requires a lot of skills.
Pity it didnt have just one more medium slot :-)
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rexidian
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Posted - 2003.10.02 12:27:00 -
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One big drawback of the Rupture is the CPU which is actually less than the Stabber.
......reasonably high cpu means it can fit 4 mining lasers.
Looks like the rapture has about 10% less CPU ( 275 for the rapture and 300 for the stabber ) So I was thinking this was not a significant disadvantage considering the better combat performance and the drone capacity.
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Abn Matar
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Posted - 2003.10.02 12:36:00 -
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you know? backi in the day when i bought one, it cost me 13mills so dont come here and say its expensive 
Well, you can easy fit the rupture for fast flying, i was up in 4000m/s with 1 MWD and 5 basic overdrives, you can fit the rupture in a myriad of roles, dont buy a stabber if your not going to have it for a long time...
And yeah, get the skills to get it better.
You also want the rupture if your going to fight blacbirds, thoraxes, mallers and moas. I think nobody uses a light cruiser for long, they just dont cut it... |
Asguard Prime
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Posted - 2003.10.02 12:37:00 -
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I use both, the stabber is great for mining, 4 miners and 2 launchers for pesky pirates...Rupture is a fun ship to go hunting with...
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Darth Tom
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Posted - 2003.10.02 13:56:00 -
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Think of the Stabber as a larger Rifter. Think of the modules you can fit to take advantage of that.
It's a good ship.
Rupture is very versatile, but you'll need good all round skills to make the most of it. It can deal some serious damage whatever the occasion, if you've invested time in skills and modules.
Cheers,
TOM
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Jasmyn
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Posted - 2003.10.02 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmyn on 02/10/2003 16:34:01
i fly a stabber..its great. fast, powerful, relativly cheap. 6 highslots .4 turret and 2 launcher points? ohyeah very nice....as many weapons as a tempest i mean with current skills i can fit 4 M blasters, 2 rockets, 3 weapon mods, sheild booster,afb cap battery...a wonderful myriad of things.
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Ph0enix
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Posted - 2003.10.02 18:53:00 -
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as many turrets as a Tempest? you dreaming my friend, the Tempest has 6 turrets and 2 missiles.
i fly a thorax, but also have a stabber. i love it for its speed mainly, but also its high, med and low slot balance.
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2003.10.02 19:41:00 -
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Its not as fast as the stabber but its still more dangerous than most other cruisers, it has high shields and armor, just make sure you fit some capactior power relays to get your recargerate up.
1. The Stabber is a little faster, but the Rupture has 5 low slots. Fit two speed mods and it's just as fast, with just as many low slots left.
2. Why the relays? You should be using Projectiles because of the bonus, so you'll have lots of cap left to run ABs and Shield boosters. IMO those slots are better spent if you fit in some damage/RoF mods.
If you intend to use your cruiser for mining I'd still also for a Rupture: you can have 6 Harvester Drones and 4 good lasers in it.
The only two things the Stabber has going for it are:
1. It's cheaper, by almost 50%.
2. It has more cargo space.
So if you can afford it, get a Rupture. Stronger, deadlier, sturdier, more versatile.
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Gee Man
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:20:00 -
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Aye the Rupture I recommend if you can afford it. Otherwise the Stabber would be the only other choice. As a note, for a level 3 cruiser the Rupture is the fastest of all the races, and more versatile in my opinion :)
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Paul Dubois
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:47:00 -
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With regards to doing agent missions - Rupture should be fine as long as you fit enough pirate drop cargo expanders or the likes of local hull nanfibre hull mods (give 21ms speed and 8% bonus to cargo). There are some cargo runs for level 3 agents that take up 500, so you need to be able to fit out the Rupture to be able to carry this much.
Still for agent missions at the moment I still prefer the Stabber. Whilst there may not be that much of a speed difference given the extra two low slots the Rupture has that can compensate, the agility certainly seems a good bit better, so acceleration and turning to go into warp is faster. Also if youre not into drones then there isn't as much difference between it and the Rupture. The extra power and the two additional low slots are handy, got to admit it.
If you're intending to do serious combat against the heavier npc cruisers go for the Rupture :-)
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2003.10.03 07:40:00 -
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Stabber is perhaps the "fightingest" of all the level 2 cruisers. It's got the only full six slot use with turrets and launchers. Its a relatively tough ship for its speed and its got a decent CPU. It's perhaps the fastest cruiser out there. Got one of the best cargo hold for holding lots of loot of any cruiser.
If you're inclined to use drones more try the Bellicose. It's very similar to the Celestis in numbers, except for the CPU, where the Bellicose is weaker.
The Rupture is the most flexible of all level 3 cruisers.
I got level 3 cruisers but sometimes when I hunt, I take level 2 cruisers instead for the bigger cargo hold to hold more loot. It irritates me somewhat before that if you take a Moa or Rupture, you can't hold that much missiles due to the small hold. Thank goodness the patch takes care of that, before I was inclined to take my Stabber out because good cargo hold + missiles really help.
Yes, the Celt (Celestis) is still my favorite hunting ship, but again the Celt does not have as much cargo space as the Stabber, which is a close second. The Celt is my fav because of the large drone space, one extra low slot and hybrid damage bonus but the Stabber has better speed, more turret and projectile ROF bonus.
The patch fixed the missile sizes now so you can carry more of them but still having a large cargo hold means more endurance for prolonged hunting trips as you can carry more ammo and capture more loot.
I got an Omen and a Vexor too, but somehow, missiles are important for me. Blackbird don't have the space, and for PvE hunting, the Stabber is all over it.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.10.03 07:46:00 -
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as many turrets as a Tempest? you dreaming my friend, the Tempest has 6 turrets and 2 missiles.
i fly a thorax, but also have a stabber. i love it for its speed mainly, but also its high, med and low slot balance.
6 turrets, 4 launchers. 
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Storme
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Posted - 2003.10.03 11:56:00 -
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IMO, The Rupture is by far the best of the Minmatar cruisers.
There is nothing the stabber can do that the rupture cannot match.
The rupture has 2 extra low slots than the stabber so if you're concerned about speed add 2 overdrives. Cargo - add 2 cargo expanders. cpu - add 2 basic processors.
The only place the stabber wins is in price but of course anybody who has moved on to other ships knows that you can sell it and get your money back anyway.
Add to this, the fact that the rupture has better powergrid, better drone space (for mining or fighting) better armour, hull and shields, better targetting range and better ladar level, I don't think there is any competition.
Unless of course you go for looks
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Maggot
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Posted - 2003.10.03 18:12:00 -
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If cost is a problem I would get a Bellicose before the Rupture or Stabber. Has good drone capacity, so you can quickly mine for your next cruiser with a few harvesters equipped. A very flexible ship at a cheap cost.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.03 18:51:00 -
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The Rupture is like the Rifter. In the hands of someone that barely meets the requirements to fly it, it's an okay vessel.
But just like the Rifter, in the hands of someone that has gone beyond the bare requirements, the Rupture grows to become incredibly powerful. The 3/3 configuration is vastly underestimated. Especially if the launchers are holding cruise missiles. The drone bay goes neglected by most Rupture pilots unless they're mining. CPU and speed differences disappear with training while the Rupture maintains its firepower and armor/shield advantages.
If you just meet the skills to fly a Rupture, go with the Stabber until you train all the 2ndary skills. Then when you climb into a Rupture you'll be able to take advantage of it's configurability.
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Jaxom
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Posted - 2003.10.03 21:30:00 -
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I bought my Rupture a couple of months ago even though a lot of people remarked about how weak it was. I have found this ship to be quite capable. It is very true that you need have the skills to get the most out of it, but that is really true of most ships in EVE. Four projectile turrets plus 2 launchers loaded with heavy or cruise missles can deal a lot of damage. The low slots are also important for damage and tracking speed mods. The decent drone bay is a big plus as well. When using projectile turrents you have ample CAP for shield boosters, even more so if you have your engineering skills trained to 4 or 5.
The Rupture may be ugly as sin, but it is a very flexible and durable ship.
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Gee Man
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Posted - 2003.10.06 11:21:00 -
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I dunno i kinda like the look of the Rupture, it looks like a flying mean-machine tank. I much prefer the Ruptures design to the Stabber's rather thin and fragile looking one :)
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