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Captain Stephanie	Posted - 2006.07.10 16:31:00 - [1] Gallante or Minmatar? That is the question on my mind before going for Frigate 5 of either one. Let me tell you why I canÆt deicide and if you could please give me some recommendations why I should go with one or the other. Gallante 1.I like the Thermal / Kinetic damage and resistance. In my part of space we fight Serpentis so that is a plus. Also for PVP I find that Thermal / Kinetic are a good balance of damage types resistances for PVP. 2.Drones û I like drones and I hate drones. They are good damage but I hate losing them and having to always remember them and take care of them. Also in a fight once they are destroyed you lost a good chunk of dps. Minmatar 1.Like the look of the ships better than Gallante 2.Uses some missiles which I like since Drones get shot down and I like having some missles on my ship mainly for the cool explosions 3.Can sort of change damage types but uses to much explosive imo. 4.Generally faster which I like, canÆt stand being in really slow ships 5.Bad resists unless youÆre only fighting Amarr. Imo 60% resist on EM for Armor is good enough, since I have hardly run into people flying Amarr and the rats I fight donÆt do EM damage. 6.No cap usage on guns but lower damage guns. Playing around in Quickfit I always find Gallante do more dps over Minmatar but seem to have shorter range and more cap usage. On a side note I like Amarr ships, some of them look cool and the fact you donÆt have to reload and go get more ammo is a big plus as well. I am looking forward to responses to help me choose Tech 2 ships to go with. And although IÆm going for Frigate 5 now keep in mind I want to specialize in one racial ship type now so Tech 2 cruisers are also a consideration.
korrey	Posted - 2006.07.10 16:38:00 - [2] Id say Amarr. If your going all the way then the Zealot is a great HaC. And the Absolution and Damnation have insane tanks as well as good firepower. But if not Amarr then Id say Minmatar. They have good T2 ships and there T1 are a fair match too.
Izo Azlion	Posted - 2006.07.10 16:38:00 - [3] Originally by: Captain Stephanie Gallante or Minmatar? That is the question on my mind before going for Frigate 5 of either one. Let me tell you why I canÆt deicide and if you could please give me some recommendations why I should go with one or the other. Gallante 1.I like the Thermal / Kinetic damage and resistance. In my part of space we fight Serpentis so that is a plus. Also for PVP I find that Thermal / Kinetic are a good balance of damage types resistances for PVP. 2.Drones û I like drones and I hate drones. They are good damage but I hate losing them and having to always remember them and take care of them. Also in a fight once they are destroyed you lost a good chunk of dps. Minmatar 1.Like the look of the ships better than Gallante 2.Uses some missiles which I like since Drones get shot down and I like having some missles on my ship mainly for the cool explosions 3.Can sort of change damage types but uses to much explosive imo. 4.Generally faster which I like, canÆt stand being in really slow ships 5.Bad resists unless youÆre only fighting Amarr. Imo 60% resist on EM for Armor is good enough, since I have hardly run into people flying Amarr and the rats I fight donÆt do EM damage. 6.No cap usage on guns but lower damage guns. Playing around in Quickfit I always find Gallante do more dps over Minmatar but seem to have shorter range and more cap usage. On a side note I like Amarr ships, some of them look cool and the fact you donÆt have to reload and go get more ammo is a big plus as well. I am looking forward to responses to help me choose Tech 2 ships to go with. And although IÆm going for Frigate 5 now keep in mind I want to specialize in one racial ship type now so Tech 2 cruisers are also a consideration. Drones keep things away from you. I recently escaped a Crow in my Ishkur because he had to MWD< and thus MWD'ed out of range, for me to escape. I love the Ishkur, personally, I think drones are awesome and its not hard to recall them, you just have to plan ahead. Especially when the Ishkur, most the time, is pretty close up and point blank. Minnie are good though. Wolf and Jag kick ass now. Its totally personal preference. Izo Azlion. --- Director of Malum Vir
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.07.10 16:46:00 - [4] Gallente, as Vagabonds are expensive enough already. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust - Suvetar, care to confirm these rumours about you being an unstoppable sex machine? LOL -Suvetar
Aramendel	Posted - 2006.07.10 16:55:00 - [5] Amarr specific: Amarr frigs, t1 and t2, suck. Gal and Minnie have better ones. The Zealot is pretty nice - but the Ishtar and Vagabound are better. The Absolution is good field commands, but so are the gallente and mini ones. The Curse and Pilgrim are one of the best or even the best recon ships, though. For NPCing a main problem of amarr is their low flexibility due to their fixed damagetypes. The work very well vs bloods or sanshas, okish vs serp but not really that well vs gurista and especially angels. In short: For the recon and command ship side amarr are worth it. For t2 frigs you'll do better with gallente or minnie. For HACs you'll also do better with the other races, but it's not that bad as with frigs.
Neoto Spartis	Posted - 2006.07.10 16:59:00 - [6] Gallante is the way to go. Easy ships with diverse setups.
fathitman	Posted - 2006.07.10 17:00:00 - [7] agreed here
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.10 17:15:00 - [8] Frigate 5? I guess this means you want to fly elite frigates then? For that purpose I would actually say Caldari because of the Crow... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Insomnium	Posted - 2006.07.10 17:32:00 - [9] Hehe I trained them both honestly I like flying the Jag best because I can slap on one helluvah good passive tank on that baby. Let's not forget it looks mean. ------------------------------------ If you define cowardice as running away at the first sign of danger, screaming and tripping and begging for mercy, then yes, Mr. Brave man, I guess I'm a coward
Diehard Si	Posted - 2006.07.10 18:38:00 - [10] I've had a similar debate but chose Amarr for the battleships. Should i therefore stick with Amarr and train assault ships and HAC's in order to focus on my tech 2 weapon specialities ( probably going to be Beam lasers although not started yet ) or switch back to Gallente assault ships. Or would for example a Vengeance work well with ts hybrid charges?
Captain Stephanie	Posted - 2006.07.10 23:41:00 - [11] I left Caldari out because I hate the look of thier ships, which is important to me. I have no interest in flying Battleships as I tried them on the test server and couldn't stand how slow they are. Wish I could fly a Wolf / Jaguar hull with Gallante resists and bonus's for blasters, and the drone bay of a Ishkur. Keep your opinions coming, would like to hear more of what people have to say.
Jatto	Posted - 2006.07.11 00:02:00 - [12] Just a thought, but you can train frig 5 in a week. Train more than one.
kessah	Posted - 2006.07.11 00:23:00 - [13] Im personally a Die hard fan of Amarr, with matari a close second. Tho matari really arent for the faint of heart it really does take super specilization to own with the tempest. Thought with lvl 5 large proj and some nice t1 guns i could kill in it but i barly removed a ganka geddons shields before i went down lol. owell, will now use my t2 large guns and see if lvl 4 battleship will get me anywhere, if not im just guna sit in my Absoulution and pout BTW Gallente sucks balls, everyone seems to be training for them latly blasters are stupid easy to kill with, Amarr and matari have more of that Risk vs Reward for me Amarr for getting to close the guns dont work so well at least with BS's Dont mind the Gallente frigates i guess. -------------------------------------------------------- Forever Pirate
Nemain	Posted - 2006.07.11 00:24:00 - [14] If you want flexibility I'd say minmattar, the skills you need for min ships will put you in good stead if you wanted to train any other race. If however you want focus I'd say go galante, less overall skill but less flexibility also. As for amarr least skills, no flexibility and slighly sub par in what they supposedly do best at the mo. Personally minmattar would be my choice.
Captain Stephanie	Posted - 2006.07.11 22:42:00 - [15] Thanks for the info guys, at this point I just finished Engineering 5 and going to do Mechanic 5 while I make up my mind, at this point I think IÆm going to fill up a hat and draw names over what to go with.
Cruz	Posted - 2006.07.12 05:31:00 - [16] Just go fly a rifter, incursus, and punisher, see which one you like. --------------------------- For the glory of the empire!
Captain Stephanie	Posted - 2006.07.19 00:19:00 - [17] Luckily the test server came up and I could test all 3 frigates in a pvp and a pve 0.0 ratting situation. Here are some of my comments on what I thought of each. I had the same frigate and gunnery skills for each type so skill points werenÆt a factor. Amarr Punsiher - Lowest damage output - Nice tank put you donÆt get hit by BS spawns anyways so itÆs pointless - No ammo usage Minmatar Rifter - Medium damage output - High rate of fire, uses a lot of ammo - Awesome looks, and very nice slot layout Gallante Incursus - High damage output - Uses ammo, but not nearly at the same rate as the Rifter - Has one light drone - Very weak tank but youÆre not getting hit anyways In PVP I liked the Rifter the most, and for PVE the Incursus has my vote. But since IÆm going for the Assault ship versions I decided on the Ishkur, great for PVP and PVE, massive drone bay for a frigate, and perfect slot layout. Just wished it looked like a Minmatar ship. Now the hard part of waiting 9 days for Gallante Frigate 5.
Sin Stylejr	Posted - 2006.07.19 19:03:00 - [18] I dont post very often but i wanted to put a few cents in. its hard to test minmatar with equal low level skills and get a valid result. the problem is accuracy plays a large role on your dps. so with weak skills you really dont get a good feel for the amount of damage possable in one volley. i really wish test server allowed for max skills in the tenth of the train time. you could get a good feel for what it could be like in the future. minmatar takes ALOT of skilling. they use so many things. i think they are overall the best once skilled right.
Kaylana Syi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.19 19:12:00 - [19] Interceptors - Gallente and Minmatar are better than ammar Assault Frigs - Minmatar, Amarr and Gallente are equal Covert Ops - Amarr, Minmatar and Gallente hold no collective candle to the buzzard Stealth bombers - Hound is the only worthwile out of the amarr, minmatar and gallente selection Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 19:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Sin Stylejr I dont post very often but i wanted to put a few cents in. its hard to test minmatar with equal low level skills and get a valid result. the problem is accuracy plays a large role on your dps. so with weak skills you really dont get a good feel for the amount of damage possable in one volley. i really wish test server allowed for max skills in the tenth of the train time. you could get a good feel for what it could be like in the future. minmatar takes ALOT of skilling. they use so many things. i think they are overall the best once skilled right. If you are wrong about this, im coming back in 3 years with a war dec. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 19:16:00 - [21] Minmatard. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 19:17:00 - [22] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Minmatard. zOMG. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 19:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Minmatard. zOMG. Mistyped. Minmatars 4tw. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 19:28:00 - [24] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Minmatard. zOMG. Mistyped. Minmatars 4tw. Fanboi. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Nyxus GALAXIAN	Posted - 2006.07.19 19:44:00 - [25] Honestly at this point, you are dumb if you don't go Gallente. The reasons why are simple. Good ships in every class. Cov ops, frigs, recons, cruisers, BS, Hacs, Command ships, etc Good base resists on thier ships due to race. Drone ships own at close range. OWN. Long range Gallente ships are the easiest to fit. T2 Railguns are the rail specialties for TWO racial ships. If you don't like the Mega at long range, soon you can just use the new Caldari Railboat by training Cal BS to lvl 4 or 5. That last one is not to be underestimated. If you go Amarr or Matari and change your mind, T2 large weapons will take you 2 months to train, on top of the 1 month for the new BS to lvl 5. Makes all the sense in the world to train up for Gallente if you like turrets/Drones or Caldari at this point. Nyxus Originally by: Tux The thought of a missile spewing armor tanking cool black looking ship makes me happy in the pants
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 19:47:00 - [26] Originally by: Nyxus Honestly at this point, you are dumb if you don't go Gallente. The reasons why are simple. Good ships in every class. Cov ops, frigs, recons, cruisers, BS, Hacs, Command ships, etc Good base resists on thier ships due to race. Drone ships own at close range. OWN. Long range Gallente ships are the easiest to fit. T2 Railguns are the rail specialties for TWO racial ships. If you don't like the Mega at long range, soon you can just use the new Caldari Railboat by training Cal BS to lvl 4 or 5. That last one is not to be underestimated. If you go Amarr or Matari and change your mind, T2 large weapons will take you 2 months to train, on top of the 1 month for the new BS to lvl 5. Makes all the sense in the world to train up for Gallente if you like turrets/Drones or Caldari at this point. Nyxus I would like some oldtimers view on this. True or not? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 19:50:00 - [27] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Nyxus Honestly at this point, you are dumb if you don't go Gallente. The reasons why are simple. Good ships in every class. Cov ops, frigs, recons, cruisers, BS, Hacs, Command ships, etc Good base resists on thier ships due to race. Drone ships own at close range. OWN. Long range Gallente ships are the easiest to fit. T2 Railguns are the rail specialties for TWO racial ships. If you don't like the Mega at long range, soon you can just use the new Caldari Railboat by training Cal BS to lvl 4 or 5. That last one is not to be underestimated. If you go Amarr or Matari and change your mind, T2 large weapons will take you 2 months to train, on top of the 1 month for the new BS to lvl 5. Makes all the sense in the world to train up for Gallente if you like turrets/Drones or Caldari at this point. Nyxus I would like some oldtimers view on this. True or not? Long term vision, Minmatar. Short term vision, Gallente. Gallente has solo pwnmobiles in this patch, tank, gank or DOT if you want to be technical and debuff all in one ship. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Captain Stephanie	Posted - 2006.07.20 00:21:00 - [28] Originally by: Sin Stylejr I dont post very often but i wanted to put a few cents in. its hard to test minmatar with equal low level skills and get a valid result. the problem is accuracy plays a large role on your dps. so with weak skills you really dont get a good feel for the amount of damage possable in one volley. i really wish test server allowed for max skills in the tenth of the train time. you could get a good feel for what it could be like in the future. minmatar takes ALOT of skilling. they use so many things. i think they are overall the best once skilled right. I have heard this before but no matter what I cannot come up with a configuration in Quickfit for Autocannons to beat Blasters, Or Artillery to beat Railguns.
Outa Rileau	Posted - 2006.07.20 00:26:00 - [29] For pvp, the minmatar t2 resistances are perfect... just fit shield tank isntead of armor ------------------------- Getting Sig Removed / Rank 8 / SP: 762039 of 2048000
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.20 00:41:00 - [30] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Nyxus Honestly at this point, you are dumb if you don't go Gallente. The reasons why are simple. Good ships in every class. Cov ops, frigs, recons, cruisers, BS, Hacs, Command ships, etc Good base resists on thier ships due to race. Drone ships own at close range. OWN. Long range Gallente ships are the easiest to fit. T2 Railguns are the rail specialties for TWO racial ships. If you don't like the Mega at long range, soon you can just use the new Caldari Railboat by training Cal BS to lvl 4 or 5. That last one is not to be underestimated. If you go Amarr or Matari and change your mind, T2 large weapons will take you 2 months to train, on top of the 1 month for the new BS to lvl 5. Makes all the sense in the world to train up for Gallente if you like turrets/Drones or Caldari at this point. Nyxus I would like some oldtimers view on this. True or not? I flew a Raven when it was the omguber BS (mid 04-late 04), I flew Blasterthrons when I had the skillpoints for them and felt like it. I've always flown Apocs and Geddons in fleets (Geddonds pre-pulse nerf, hi2u insane DPS at 90KM with Radio teehee), Apocs with a full rack of T2 tachs for stripping them shields, let pests worry about the armor. I've acquired a Machariel and use it with T2 Autocannons to hunt Angels in 0.0 space. Bottom line is, fly what you enjoy. Every ship has it's omguber-time in EVE. By the time you're done training for the current omguber ship, another one will be the new one. Every race is pretty good as long as you got the skills to support it, specialize in your role and work in a team that emphasizes on exploiting it's strenghts and covering their weaknesses. Although, for running missions, as said already, Amarr is pretty screwed due to only being able to to EM/TH damage from their main weapon. ------------------------------------------ A lapdance is always better when the exotic dancer is crying..

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