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Marie Sklodowska
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Posted - 2006.07.12 00:49:00 -
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full article here
Private Valle decided not to join the National Guard after watching a video on how basic training was accomplished. Basically, he chickened out.
I just want to hear opinions on why you think he should be shipped out or why he shouldn't be, especially from the people who have served in the military.
In my opinion, he signed a contract, and should be held accountable for his actions. You can't let him weasel out, then grow up thinking that your not held responsible for your decisions.
The article states that his parents claim they cannot read and therefore did not know what they were signing. There's only two explainations for this, either A) his parents could read and knew what they were signing, and so he should still have to be shipped out; or B) he tricked his parents into signing and in which case should STILL be shipped out.
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DirtyHarry
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Posted - 2006.07.12 01:04:00 -
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You can leave any other profession with a short notice, why not the military. Their excuses are a little lame, id be straight up and tell the guard to **** off.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.07.12 01:10:00 -
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Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 12/07/2006 01:13:21
If he signed a DEP contract, they can't make him join, period.
edit: The reason being DEP is delayed entry program, which is what I was in for the USMC. I signed up in december of 1999, but didn't ship out until September 11, 2000. I also had to sign a 2nd contract on the 11th which did hold me to the 5 years, unless I were discharged for one reason or another (in my case I got medically discharged (in basic  )).
My parents only had to sign one thing, and that was saying I was allowed to make my own choices military wise, if they signed that for him, and I don't believe the 'we cant read' BS, and he himself then signed all the commitment stuff, then they need to ship him to either basic, or prison.
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Kalahari Wayrest
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Posted - 2006.07.12 01:11:00 -
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If he doesn't want to go, why make him?
Who knows what they want to do with their life at 17? I didn't. 
Plus I dunno about in the US, but in the UK they don't seem too bothered about making the military seem appealing to get young people to sign up. I think one tv add showed them carrying a scantily clad woman across a beach things like 'opportunity for travel' is emphasised and things like 'opportunity for death' are skipped over
It's simple as far as I'm concerned - if people want to go, let them go, if they don't, let them stay.
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stoats girl
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Posted - 2006.07.12 01:40:00 -
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As long as he chickens out before he takes the plane/bus ticket he is fine, and nothing will be done legally.
In fact, you don't actually get "sworn in" for real until you arrive at basic (i served, yes i know you swear in like 25 billion times before you even leave MEPS).
I sometimes wonder what i would be like if i hadn't served. Probably less sex.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.07.12 02:06:00 -
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It really ****es me off that people who join the military and actually have to fullfill their combat duties try to get out of it.
FFS, if you think you can join the military and not see action, the only reason they should get rid of you is for being so stupid/naive.
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IVeige
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Posted - 2006.07.12 02:18:00 -
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He will do anything to leave anyway soon or later, he will give you 10 reasons why he shouldnt do what you order him to do. And if he does his job, it will be half done most of the time. He his dangerous for his team.
and anyways, at 17, its a child 
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Marie Sklodowska
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Posted - 2006.07.12 02:26:00 -
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17 might still be considered by law to be underage, but I believe it's old enough to read..am I wrong?
He should have read his contract and understood what he's signing up for. And the arguements that he's going to be a danger to his unit, there are plenty of jobs that need to be done in the military that don't require him to fire a gun at enemies. There's always potatoe peeling.
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Dak Hakin
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Posted - 2006.07.12 04:04:00 -
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In the article, it says he didnt wanna join cause "there were people giving orders and yelling". What a wimp. However, I am on the fence as to if he should be made to do it. Maybe just heat up a branding iron, stamp his forehead with "(5 letter word for cat, starts with P, ends in Y)".
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Tai Kuri
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Posted - 2006.07.12 07:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Marie Sklodowska
17 might still be considered by law to be underage, but I believe it's old enough to read..am I wrong?
10 year old is old enough to read, but doesn't change the fact he is still a child. Also it's not that he might be considered underage, but he is underage.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.07.12 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: DirtyHarry
You can leave any other profession with a short notice, why not the military.
If you signed a fixed-term contract, no, you can't leave at short notice. You have a legal obligation to fulfil your term.
Ofc. the army don't have to sue you for breach of contract, as would any other employer. They just haul you off to the glasshouse.
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.07.12 10:31:00 -
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Put it this way.
I fhe is made to serve and does a **** porr job and costs the lives of comrades then who would be to blame?
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Uther Doull
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Posted - 2006.07.12 11:52:00 -
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ah yes, you can drive a car at 16, join the military and kill ppl at 17, but you can only drink a beer or have a smoke when you're 21...
it might just be me but somehow that strikes me as odd.
i'm not to sure about the legalities, but it wouldn't surprise me if he could get out of any other contract on grounds of being underaged... except for a military contract ofcourse
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Bernehbum
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Posted - 2006.07.12 12:00:00 -
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AHAHAHAHAHA! AMERICA? FREEDOM? AHAHAHA!!
They just dont go together.
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Xeios
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Posted - 2006.07.12 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Laythun
Put it this way.
I fhe is made to serve and does a **** porr job and costs the lives of comrades then who would be to blame?
Im with u on this one.
he should be punished for breaking his contract but he should not under any circumstances be made to serve. Theres no way in hell id fight next to him.
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Yolan
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Posted - 2006.07.12 12:45:00 -
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Oh boo ******* hoo
So let me get this right as i'm from UK and its a little different here.
The guy lets the army pay for his college education, the army gives him ú10k then when its time for him to join up he wants to weasel out.
To be perfectly ******* honest they should throw him in a debtors prison!
What would happen to the armed forces worldwide if they allowed people to have all the benefits of army life (travelling, comraderie, accomodation, healthcare) then as soon as they are called up to do their job (fighting) they are allowed to quit the army.
******* wishy washy liberals
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mamolian
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Posted - 2006.07.12 13:14:00 -
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Love how these topics bring the far right fundamentalists out of the woodwork..
Back in yer cages!
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.07.12 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Uther Doull
ah yes, you can drive a car at 16, join the military and kill ppl at 17, but you can only drink a beer or have a smoke when you're 21...
it might just be me but somehow that strikes me as odd.
i'm not to sure about the legalities, but it wouldn't surprise me if he could get out of any other contract on grounds of being underaged... except for a military contract ofcourse
QFT.
I was conscripted in my country at 17. I could fire a machine gun but not old enough to drink or drive (18 where I was)
It says a lot.
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Tai Kuri
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Posted - 2006.07.12 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Yolan
Oh boo ******* hoo
So let me get this right as i'm from UK and its a little different here.
The guy lets the army pay for his college education, the army gives him ú10k then when its time for him to join up he wants to weasel out.
To be perfectly ******* honest they should throw him in a debtors prison!
What would happen to the armed forces worldwide if they allowed people to have all the benefits of army life (travelling, comraderie, accomodation, healthcare) then as soon as they are called up to do their job (fighting) they are allowed to quit the army.
******* wishy washy liberals
Ok, where did you came up with that military paid hes college in advance and gave him $10k? He's 17 and people usually graduate from high school at age of 17-18.
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Kurren
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Posted - 2006.07.12 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Marie Sklodowska
17 might still be considered by law to be underage, but I believe it's old enough to read..am I wrong?
But, it's still 17.
At 17, you can't vote, but you can be tried as an adult.
At 17, you can serve in the army, but you can't have sex with anybody.
You can't smoke.
You can't drink.
You can't legally sign your name to anything and be held accountable for it either.
Personally, I don't think he should've signed up if he was going to chicken out. I didn't want to get shot at either... so I didn't sign up for service. That was just simple logic, honestly. I think, imho, they should make him serve.
Legally though, at 17, you cannot be held accountable for your actions. Your signature on anything means jack and ****. People can sign contracts for you (gaurdians, parents), but the ultimate decision lies in your hands WHEN you turn 18. Until that time though, you are concidered a juvenile, and therefore cannot make "sound decisions" on your own.
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